Dlc's For Il2 Bos If its successful

[PBS_Big_Peck]

Just wondering if there will be any theater of war dlc's appearing in to the game if its successful, like for example the pacific theater or more of the European theater like for example The Battle Of Britain or the daylight bombing raids of Berlin   Id love for you guys to make the p51 and defend the 8th air force over Berlin  

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Similar conversation happening over here: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/4789-summer-maps/

 

In short... They will likely expand the line of aircraft and the theatres of war depending on commercial success of BoS. If and what they do next... unknown. But its nice to be optimistic and dream

[PBS_Big_Peck]

Similar conversation happening over here: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/4789-summer-maps/

 

In short... They will likely expand the line of aircraft and the theatres of war depending on commercial success of BoS. If and what they do next... unknown. But its nice to be optimistic and dream

Yeah thats my thread ^ but yeah id would love to see the game expand with dlc's and stuff 

[W1ndy]

We all want to see it expand, but its going to be a balancing act between sales and development.

[SimFreak]

My personal prediction -- another eastern front map. Followed by Mig Alley! (I want it want it want it want it want it want it)

[I./ZG1_HeTzeR]

Why would you open two threads with the same topic...spam much?

[Feathered_IV]

Nah. South Pacific, P-38's vs Zero.

Or do I mean Malta 1942?

Or some painted handkerchief of desert that the masses clamor for but would be bored of in a fortnight.

[nynek]

After Kursk I'd like to have Operation Bagration with 1000 kilometers detailed map...always ask for more in order to get some...

[senseispcc]

The first question should be : what is a successful game?

 

The second one is: How much time does it take to make a successful game?

 

When you answer yes to this two questions you can think to the future!

[Frost*]

My personal prediction -- another eastern front map. Followed by Mig Alley! (I want it want it want it want it want it want it)

 

Migs vs Sabres would be awesome. Very little done on this since the original Mig Alley so it definitely deserves some love.

[Finkeren]

I refer you to my signature:

 

[MarcoRossolini]

I'm getting increasingly irritated by how we always have to keep going to the Western Front and Normandy etc. North Africa and Italy I can live with, nice scenery and completely undiscovered Sim wise, but why the Western Front all the time? Is there some kind of Mustang fetish or something that all Flight simmers have? Can we not just keep it to where it now? The Eastern Front is the most exciting, interesting and important front there was, what can beat it?

I Fink Finkeren beat me to it.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

I'm getting increasingly irritated by how we always have to keep going to the Western Front and Normandy etc. North Africa and Italy I can live with, nice scenery and completely undiscovered Sim wise, but why the Western Front all the time? Is there some kind of Mustang fetish or something that all Flight simmers have? Can we not just keep it to where it now? The Eastern Front is the most exciting, interesting and important front there was, what can beat it?

I Fink Finkeren beat me to it.

 

Well, I do.

 

Also, what, when and where are these flight sims that cover Western Front and Normandy etc.? There is CloD for Battle of Britain, but what else?

[Finkeren]

It's only natural that we Westerners know more about the conflicts our nations participated in and want to recreate them in the games we play.

 

We are more likely to be 'in love' with Spitfires and Mustangs so it's no surprise we all want to fly them in-game.

 

We've had this discussion before, but I really don't think that's "natural" at all. It stems from the fact that the Bristish/American perspective on the war has been emphasised and overhyped in popular media to the exclusion of virtually everything else for decades.

 

I was just as much into the whole Spitfire/Mustang/B-17/P-47-thing as everyone else in the west, when I was a kid. But then I discovered the Eastern Front, and I haven't looked back since.

[Feathered_IV]

I know what you mean but for example, how about British operataions in defence of Singapore, Malta or through India/Burma?  Would those sort of things be of interest or would you only prefer things within range of the English Channel?

[Finkeren]

I'm not uninterested in Russian history, or aboriginal history, or the history of China, but because I live here, I'm more interested in British history.

I'm not ashamed of that either. Why should I be?

 

No problem in that what so ever. But there is a problem, when focus is solely one one side to the exclusion of everything else.

 

As a kid I had a set of intercative CDs ("interactive" was the buzz word of the day) supposedly detailing the events of WW2. It was back in the early '90s and for that time it was a treasure trove of content with lots of pictures and video material, all good stuff (today 5 mins on Youtube would make those CDs pale in comparison, but it seemed great at the time) The problem was, that the presentation was more one-sided than a 10p "Action" comic. The 10 minute introduction video mentioned the Eastern Front in exactly 2 sentences, while Pearl Harbour alone took 3 minutes to cover, and those 2 sentences plus a single picture of a T-34 comprisd the entire amount of content about the Eastern Front. Of course the posibly bloodiest theatre of the entire conflict, China, wasn't mentioned at all except as the location where "The Flying Tigers" fought.

 

Those CDs made up a big part of my insight into WW2 for a couple of years. Imagine how cheated I felt, once I discovered the true scope of the war.

[Finkeren]

A decade back, I would've agreed with your point about people being naturally ethnocentrist Extreme_One.

 

However, when I look at youth culture today and see just how diverse it is to the point of being totally fragmented, I find it hard to talk about "mainstream" anymore, especially in an ethnocentric sense.

 

I know a huge number of young people (we're talking 5 - 10 years younger than me) that are so deeply into Japanese culture, that they won't even consider seeing a Hollywood movie (which is ironic considering just how heavily contemporary Japanese culture is influenced by precisely Hollywood).

 

The same thing I think is going on with nerdy communities like the CFS community. We're becoming increasingly fragmented and focused on small niches, unfortunately often to the exclusion of related stuff. I'm not so sure there's an American/British-focused "mainstream" anymore, or at least it's definately fading. 

 

I try to keep an open mind, despite my obvious bias in favor of the Eastern Front, because I wouldn't want to miss out on something. I really wouldn't mind to have the sim eventually expand to other theatres (preferably the MTO) but I also want the devs to finish what they started and at least cover all the basics of the Great Patriotic War and the Continuation War before moving on. 

Edited March 14, 2014 by Finkeren

[Bladderburst]

I don't get what's the hype about escorting B17s over Berlin, it's awfully boring.

Seriously, take off along with a lot of aircraft, assemble with the other escort then the huge stream of bombers for an hour, fly uneventfully in circle to stay with the bombers for nearly an hour, get attacked by 4 to 8 hit and runners outnumbered 20 to 1, get flaked, if unlucky get damaged, get back to base, rinse and repeat. Nearly 3 hours of formation flying, 2 to 5 minutes of dogfight.

I'd rather be one of the poor bastards that does the interception.

[AndyJWest]

When are we going to see a decent Aleutian Islands campaign simulation? 

[andyw248]

I didn't know much about Soviet aviation before starting to fly IL-2. Having read a lot about the European and Pacific theaters, I found it really interesting to learn about the Eastern front. For example it took me a while to understand why the loss ratios were so unequal for the first few years of the Eastern air war (and it wasn't just because LaGGs were a bit slow). After becoming more familiar with the air battles over the Soviet Union, they became just as fascinating to me as the BoB, Midway, or the Solomons (or the Aleutians, for that matter  ).

 

Also, from today's perspective, WWII aircraft are pretty similar to each other, and they constitute a class of its own. Compared to a Cessna, the LaGG offers about the same level of thrill as a Spitfire. Compared to an FA-18, they both seem a bit outdated. What I'm trying to say is that flying a WWII fighter is similar to flying a WWII fighter; while some might be a bit faster, and others a bit slower, the experience of flying them is still in the same ballpark. The same would go for dive bombers - I wouldn't expect the experience of flying a dive bombing attack in a Dauntless that different from flying a dive bombing attack in a Stuka. At the end of the day, a flight sim like BoS allows me to immerse into a bygone and unfamiliar era, no matter whether this takes place in the skies over Don and Volga, or over some islands in the Pacific. That's what the fun is all about.

[Bando]

I didn't know much about Soviet aviation before starting to fly IL-2. Having read a lot about the European and Pacific theaters, I found it really interesting to learn about the Eastern front. For example it took me a while to understand why the loss ratios were so unequal for the first few years of the Eastern air war (and it wasn't just because LaGGs were a bit slow). After becoming more familiar with the air battles over the Soviet Union, they became just as fascinating to me as the BoB, Midway, or the Solomons (or the Aleutians, for that matter  ).

 

Also, from today's perspective, WWII aircraft are pretty similar to each other, and they constitute a class of its own. Compared to a Cessna, the LaGG offers about the same level of thrill as a Spitfire. Compared to an FA-18, they both seem a bit outdated. What I'm trying to say is that flying a WWII fighter is similar to flying a WWII fighter; while some might be a bit faster, and others a bit slower, the experience of flying them is still in the same ballpark. The same would go for dive bombers - I wouldn't expect the experience of flying a dive bombing attack in a Dauntless that different from flying a dive bombing attack in a Stuka. At the end of the day, a flight sim like BoS allows me to immerse into a bygone and unfamiliar era, no matter whether this takes place in the skies over Don and Volga, or over some islands in the Pacific. That's what the fun is all about.

Agree 100% Good post.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I didn't know much about Soviet aviation before starting to fly IL-2. Having read a lot about the European and Pacific theaters, I found it really interesting to learn about the Eastern front. For example it took me a while to understand why the loss ratios were so unequal for the first few years of the Eastern air war (and it wasn't just because LaGGs were a bit slow). After becoming more familiar with the air battles over the Soviet Union, they became just as fascinating to me as the BoB, Midway, or the Solomons (or the Aleutians, for that matter  ).

 

Also, from today's perspective, WWII aircraft are pretty similar to each other, and they constitute a class of its own. Compared to a Cessna, the LaGG offers about the same level of thrill as a Spitfire. Compared to an FA-18, they both seem a bit outdated. What I'm trying to say is that flying a WWII fighter is similar to flying a WWII fighter; while some might be a bit faster, and others a bit slower, the experience of flying them is still in the same ballpark. The same would go for dive bombers - I wouldn't expect the experience of flying a dive bombing attack in a Dauntless that different from flying a dive bombing attack in a Stuka. At the end of the day, a flight sim like BoS allows me to immerse into a bygone and unfamiliar era, no matter whether this takes place in the skies over Don and Volga, or over some islands in the Pacific. That's what the fun is all about.

Well said Andy. I'm pretty thrilled to have any WWII flight sim flying on any front.

 

I just think its natural to want to see variety of aircraft and theaters eventually. But I do hope we spend enough time on the Eastern Front to cover that well before moving on to somewhere else. Kursk, Berlin, Lenningrad, Kuban, etc. All exciting to me!

[Sokol1]

I'd love to see Malta represented! AFAIK it's never been done.

Is should be nice but...

 

A proper Malta scenery should include south of Italy, what mean axis bases far more than 100 KM from British ones.

How "balance" this for the typical "5 minutes flying" player?

A "What if" Malta with Axis on north island and British on south? Or some Graf Zepelin (CV) for Germans and Italians use?

 

In il-2'46 online servers Malta was commonly surrounded by "realistic" floating steel runways...

 

Sokol1

[ShamrockOneFive]

Is should be nice but...

 

A proper Malta scenery should include south of Italy, what mean axis bases far more than 100 KM from British ones.

How "balance" this for the typical "5 minutes flying" player?

A "What if" Malta with Axis on north island and British on south? Or some Graf Zepelin (CV) for Germans and Italians use?

 

In il-2'46 online servers Malta was commonly surrounded by "realistic" floating steel runways...

 

Sokol1

 

Air starts and the like can work fairly well... or steel runways For those servers that operate and cater to that type of feel that shouldn't be considered a bad thing. Some folks will play that way, others will fly the whole distance in organized squads using TeamSpeak. It really depends on the player base.

 

I don't think that should discourage that area of the war much at all. The battles in North Africa and Italy were fairly tactical in places so if they did a Med type scenario in the future it would successfully cater to a variety of players. If the maps were large enough then four engined heavy bombers could also be worked in. Everyone is happy

[nynek]

For twenty plus years I'm reading this "please include square roots version of Spitfire/FW-190/Bf-whatever/P-47....etc." and I start to wonder, where went that desire to discovery something new.

You should see chat window in WarBirds when I choose Hurri..." man what You doing ? It is slowest plane in the game"...and after I clipped FW190... "You hacker".

Dear pilots...Please stop thinking, stop reading, stop comparing, just take the "worst" plane there is and try to survive for the beginning.

If You cannot get past Your historical background, just pretend it is some kind new HALO environment. In short start to DO things instead of KNOW or LIKE things.

Game is called il2 Sturmovik, it is C O M B A T simm and is about RUSSIAN Theater of Operation. If You knew anything about this side of conflict and cannot get past western planes You should ask for P39 FIRST.

 

WW456 Salute!

Edited March 15, 2014 by nynek

[Rjel]

So many elitists. This community has been having the same argument since Il-2 '46 was announced. What I fail to understand is why so many find it difficult to see why any sim pilot would want to see his particular favorite A/C done to the latest standard. While the airwar in the West has been done repeatedly, those older sims are, for the most part, very dated by today's standard. And if we were going to use previous titles as a measuring stick as to when and where the next sim should be located, we wouldn't be looking at the Eastern Front again would we? After all, we just had a couple of Eastern Front sims in IL-2 and '46. Guess it's apples and oranges. I'll enjoy BoS, but I would like to see a new Mustang in a future BoS world to wring out one more time before I give up simming.

Edited March 15, 2014 by Rjel

[sop]

Mig Alley! (I want it want it want it want it want it want it)

+1 ))

[Frequent_Flyer]

So many elitists. This community has been having the same argument since Il-2 '46 was announced. What I fail to understand is why so many find it difficult to see why any sim pilot would want to see his particular favorite A/C done to the latest standard. While the airwar in the West has been done repeatedly, those older sims are, for the most part, very dated by today's standard. And if we were going to use previous titles as a measuring stick as to when and where the next sim should be located, we wouldn't be looking at the Eastern Front again would we? After all, we just had a couple of Eastern Front sims in IL-2 and '46. Guess it's apples and oranges. I'll enjoy BoS, but I would like to see a new Mustang in a future BoS world to wring out one more time before I give up simming.

You could not be more right! The same people who rave about these tiny little, slow disposable planes, tell you how  flying  at 442 MPH at 28,000 ft is soooo dull.

[ShamrockOneFive]

When it comes right down to it... fly anything and everything. I'm a sim pilot. I'll fly a bi-plane or a jet or a high performance propeller fighter or a early Yak series or a twin engined dive bomber or whatever. A game, a joystick, a reasonably powerful PC. That's heaven right there folks!

 

But it also doesn't hurt to dream... Let's keep it positive in our perspective on this.

Edited March 16, 2014 by IceFire

[Frequent_Flyer]

When it comes right down to it... fly anything and everything. I'm a sim pilot. I'll fly a bi-plane or a jet or a high performance propeller fighter or a early Yak series or a twin engined dive bomber or whatever. A game, a joystick, a reasonably powerful PC. That's heaven right there folks!

 

But it also doesn't hurt to dream... Let's keep it positive in our perspective on this.

It is a classic , "there is no right answer ", as much as the usual suspects drone on for their cause.

[Bladderburst]

How about Spain?

[Brano]

For those eagerly awaiting some western front flying you have DCS:WWII coming around.Even now you can fly in mustang in DCS world.So why all these topics opening again and again on IL2 Sturmovik forum?This is eastern front simulator primarly.I would not expect any western or pacific TOE sooner then in 3-4 years.

Original sturmovik was released late 2001

First sequel or DLC,call it like you want,was 2003 Forgotten battles,expanding on Eastern front (Finland,Leningrad,Hungary...)

Only in 2004,3 years after original release you got Aces expansion pack and after Pacific fighters (2006?)

[LukeFF]

How about Spain?

 

Boring, no thanks. Most of the planes in the conflict were the same ones still being flown just a few years later.

 

That, and interest in the Spanish Civil War isn't exactly high to begin with.

[Bladderburst]

Why boring? It's far from being boring, have you red on the conflict? There are many planes that were matched differently, early 109s coming into the conflict, first trials at new air doctrines, polikarpov I16 I15 I153 still kicking asses, lots of interwar biplanes.

In terms of "boredom" it's less boring than both invasions of Iraq (I don't think any conflict is boring, I'm using your term.) which was a one horse race.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Why boring? It's far from being boring, have you red on the conflict? There are many planes that were matched differently, early 109s coming into the conflict, first trials at new air doctrines, polikarpov I16 I15 I153 still kicking asses, lots of interwar biplanes.

 

In terms of "boredom" it's less boring than both invasions of Iraq (I don't think any conflict is boring, I'm using your term.) which was a one horse race.

It's an interesting conflict but despite there being calls over the years to simulate it I doubt it'll get a commercial release. It's similar to the Korean conflict being very interesting but it just doesn't get the attention that WWII does. From a pop culture perspective, WWII is THE conflict and that influences peoples buying habits. Call of Duty, the multi-billion dollar franchise, was made on the back of that very pop culture.

[Feathered_IV]

Spain is certainly an interesting one, but it would require a huge number of different aircraft to do it justice.

[IVJG4-Knight]

I think they should continue with the eastern front because western front has been done and redone.Plus a western il2 bos dlc will have to compete with the upcoming DCS ww2 and il2 clod 5.0 new western theatre.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

I didn't know much about Soviet aviation before starting to fly IL-2. Having read a lot about the European and Pacific theaters, I found it really interesting to learn about the Eastern front. For example it took me a while to understand why the loss ratios were so unequal for the first few years of the Eastern air war (and it wasn't just because LaGGs were a bit slow). After becoming more familiar with the air battles over the Soviet Union, they became just as fascinating to me as the BoB, Midway, or the Solomons (or the Aleutians, for that matter  ).

 

Also, from today's perspective, WWII aircraft are pretty similar to each other, and they constitute a class of its own. Compared to a Cessna, the LaGG offers about the same level of thrill as a Spitfire. Compared to an FA-18, they both seem a bit outdated. What I'm trying to say is that flying a WWII fighter is similar to flying a WWII fighter; while some might be a bit faster, and others a bit slower, the experience of flying them is still in the same ballpark. The same would go for dive bombers - I wouldn't expect the experience of flying a dive bombing attack in a Dauntless that different from flying a dive bombing attack in a Stuka. At the end of the day, a flight sim like BoS allows me to immerse into a bygone and unfamiliar era, no matter whether this takes place in the skies over Don and Volga, or over some islands in the Pacific. That's what the fun is all about.

But landing that dauntless on the pitching deck of a fantastically modeled USS Enterprise would be a HUGE departure from any other experience.  Not to mention, the HUGE amount of island to island fights there were.

 

Obviously my vote is the Pacific. It has a plethora of aircraft besides the US NAVY.  IE: the P-38's, And even Mustangs. 

[Rjel]

I think they should continue with the eastern front because western front has been done and redone.Plus a western il2 bos dlc will have to compete with the upcoming DCS ww2 and il2 clod 5.0 new western theatre.

Compete or compliment? Just because it may or may not have some similarities in plane sets doesn't mean there wouldn't be significant differences in game play. I finally caved and did the kickstarter for DCS months ago, but I'm not holding my breath for it either. I agree that BoS should stay in the East for another add-on if for no other reason that it would be (I would assume) quicker to get to market with a better profit potential than a completely different theater. But I think BoS will have to branch out sooner than later if it is going to stay around as long as most of us hope for.