Bf109s... My story..

[Sublime]

The 109F4 was always my fav 109. By far. By far by far.  The G2 and G4? Meh. Like my F4. 

The G6? Wow.  I think the bulge has bevome my favorite. I have 5 pwgc campaigns going. All on missions 3 or 4.  Except my g6 campaign. I keep going back. I dont know if itd the 30mm cannon or the 13mm mgs or what.  For some reason this version of the 109 over all others "fits" me like a glove. I have a pm convo where I suggested the Mk108 to someone.  They dont understand me. They hate ot and went back tk the 20mm.  Once you get used to aiming it.. True its AI but Ive gotten 4 or 5 kills and had ammo left and just went home.

I seriously dont know besides the guns and better power and a few minor things whats so different or if its just my head or what but its my new fav 109 by far.

[-250H-Ursus_]

Well. 109F4 its nice but if its possible i try to use 109G4/6 for Kuban maps. Their perfomance over 4000 its incredible.

 

But talking about firepower, i don't need 30mm. A good single shot of 20mm can break the engine of your enemy or leave them with a several damage, forcing them to leave the combat.

 

Now G14 and K4 its another story. Untill now they are almost godlike planes because the allie planeset, only plane who can face the G14 its Spitfire and the K4 on good hands its almost unstoppable.

 

But yeah, 109 its a good plane. On almost every era it's my fav plane. D9 its my fav plane on 1944 and for extension my fav german plane.  

[EAF19_Marsh]

The 131s do an impressive amount of damage for deflection shots.

[E4GLEyE]

the g6 takes a special place in my heart as well. In an other game I was thrilled to unlock it only to find myself in an under performing PoS... But here in Il2 its a dreamy machine to fly! Sure its no g14 but for taking out attackers and bombers the 30 mil is awesome, and in medium altitude fights she can stand her ground vs (ai) other planes... I just love its looks ans firepower! 

[Sublime]

1 hour ago, -332FG-Ursus_ said:

Well. 109F4 its nice but if its possible i try to use 109G4/6 for Kuban maps. Their perfomance over 4000 its incredible.

 

But talking about firepower, i don't need 30mm. A good single shot of 20mm can break the engine of your enemy or leave them with a several damage, forcing them to leave the combat.

 

Now G14 and K4 its another story. Untill now they are almost godlike planes because the allie planeset, only plane who can face the G14 its Spitfire and the K4 on good hands its almost unstoppable.

 

But yeah, 109 its a good plane. On almost every era it's my fav plane. D9 its my fav plane on 1944 and for extension my fav german plane.  

Well luckilt for me (or not lol) BP isjt an option ajytime soon for me. I always will love the F4 but..

The mk108 is a opinion thing. Yes a 20mm will do fine. But a 30mm will do better.  See to me if my accuracy is the same with either the mk108 will just be that more devastating.  Whether SP or MP ive noticed the longer yoh dogfight the more your chances of death increase. You want to neutralize the threat asap.  So to me that meand heavy armament. Same reason though theyre not neccessary those 20mm FFs in the 190 wings always come with me.   Gunpods though - nah.  Id be more torn if the 109 F4 had a engine like a G6s but Im not an engineer and dont know if its that simple.

Im just surprised that my fav 109 isnt the F now but the G(for some reason I always dislikex the K. Ill prolly rethink that when I flt one eventually in game.but alll my life it was my least fav 109. Idk why)

109 Gs were never high on my list of loves either but the G6 really... Grew on me.  It also feels good to fly what I consider the essential 109 because they built perhaps the most G6s and it was one od Hartmanns rides.

By the by - idk if this is evem true but I read once the German 20mm on the 10o F4. Had a muzzle velocity like a US mk19 grenade launcher nowadays.  If youve ever shot one or seen one fired you'll know the rounds dont go that fast at all and have a definite arc.  This info shocked me a little and I still question it.  I wonder about the MV on the mk108. I originally was worried id be using deflection tactics and artllery tactics but it seems as fast as the 20mm at least.  

Speaking of fast - my god I love the VVS cannons. If they got nothing else righr they got their cannons right. They fire fast and the rounds are quick.

O/T but Im consistenly impressed in game at Mig3 performance even when the pilots arent that grest they easily cause me trouble neaely every fight (and as ai!) Theyre so fast compared to contemporary fighters. The only analogue that really fits well is flying tge Spit V B against 109 G6s and 190 A5s.  You can turn and turn but you cannot chase or pursue them at all. They have to play or it aint happenin.

36 minutes ago, E4GLEyE said:

the g6 takes a special place in my heart as well. In an other game I was thrilled to unlock it only to find myself in an under performing PoS... But here in Il2 its a dreamy machine to fly! Sure its no g14 but for taking out attackers and bombers the 30 mil is awesome, and in medium altitude fights she can stand her ground vs (ai) other planes... I just love its looks ans firepower! 

Well when my employment is fixed.. Fown the road ill know how the G14 handles. I didnt care at all but your descruption interests me sounds like a g6 with a way better engine. Does it have boost? Does the 109 K get a boost option because the mw50 or no?

[Blackhawk_FR]

17 hours ago, Sublime said:

Well when my employment is fixed.. Fown the road ill know how the G14 handles. I didnt care at all but your descruption interests me sounds like a g6 with a way better engine. Does it have boost? Does the 109 K get a boost option because the mw50 or no?

 

MW50 is activated with full throttle. It turns your 109 into a space rocket. 

[TWC_Ace]

As heard from pilots G6 was favourite Gustav for many. Old IL2 made it like a crap.

Edited May 9, 2019 by =VARP=Tvrdi

[ITAF_Rani]

I like G6...in the hands of an expert pilot can be  a really good plane.

The default armament is enough to kill enemy fighters easily

Edited May 9, 2019 by ITAF_Rani

[Sublime]

I figured it was the mw50 thanks Faucon.  Sonthe MW50 was introduced in the G14 or ppst G6 at least?

And yes whoeber said it switching out 2 7.92s for 2 13mms makes a massive difference. Also as you said on deflection shooting -  I particularly remember my first G6 flight. Against ai..  Shot down 3 Yak1Bs/7Bs then looked around and was all alone. (Just like real life memoirs sometimes) anyways whats of note is while Im sure the mk108 played a part thr damage inflicted seemed to be more from my 13mm (would make sense as I was used to 20mm 109s) which was the less devastating damage and all 3 had engine fires almost immediately. I also noted last night a scramble.  5 spit IXs. (Ai..)   Ive been working on my snapshooting and I measure it usually with a bomner formation.  I do ONE pass. If I dont shoot down at least 2 AI bombers Im failing.  Thr point being the first pass you should have speed up surprise and also its repeat passes or screwing around and tkaing forever to hit that gets those gunners to kill you.

The spits were surprised or dumb. They sttayed in formation for the first pass and all 4 got hit.  One smoked and divrd off. I continied to #2 his wings folded with what felt like a squirt.  Sane with #3.  #4 didnt fall apart - he caught on fire with a gigantic stream of smoke and nosedived into the ocean near Nov. Bay.

I also feel totally vindicated by the Luftwaffe on my opinion on LA5 ammo. I always take HE only cannon rounds. I noticed by chance the mk108 is.. HE only.  It may be just anecdotal but the HE rounds on a LA5 seem to do much more devastating damage to the enemy. I dount theyre good for strafing except trucks or men but Id consider it a sin to strafe with my only 2 20mms that carry about 300 rnds..

also - the artwork on many of the planes is freaking awesome. Hard to pick a fav. Till now.

By far my fav 2 skins are 106 G6 skins. First the cockpit bulges someone has shooting stars on those (2nd or 3rd on list) further down another has eyes on the bulges.  The shooting star one just looks fantastic IMO

[Sublime]

2 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

I like G6...in the hands of an expert pilot can be  a really good plane.

The default armament is enough to kill enemy fighters easily

Hehe im far from an expert and Im definitely most dangerous in game with a 109G6 or LA5FN.

Online ironically my only kills have been from a 109 F4 (4) a G4, (assist) and a LA 5F (not fn) (1 kill I didnt even realize I got until I landed)

However I until very recently didnt have an FN or 109 G6 to take online to fight with.

Its very telling IMO that of all the planes in game and even with me being more successful with some in SP when its brass tacks against a human Ive done my best in 109s always. Most of my kills, and I put up my best fights in a 109 of whatever type. Says a lot about how good a plane it was.

Ironically I suck with a 190 online.  Ive never been a good BnZ pilot - not good with patience. No trackir or VR means using a mouse to spot and track your enemies... bnz is doable but harder.. You really gotta practice and be on point.  A 109 you can do a little more less pure BnZ versus a 190 IME. 

Still my last MP matchup 109 G4 versus a SpitIXE. It was KOTA and they were doing a DDAY late war thing. I took the G4 as it seemed my best option (and the axie was 4 players down joining allies seemed silly) I flew to where the "beaches" were (north shore near Kerch) and saw a spit. He didnt see me.  I dived and closed in.  Like a fool I

1. Fired to early

2. Didnt hit him

3. Didnt extend and race off and come back

If Id close I dont know ifhe.d have seen me or not - but that was my best chance righr there and I was close enough to open fire too far.  Which is close still... At that range he had 3 or 5 seconds before Id habe been so close Id have hit almost for sure and a burst would have been near certainly lethal esp for spitfires which are small and dont like damage.

Once I fired he snapped into a roll and dive.  I pursued.  Huge mistake. Greed.

Then I played his game. Further mistaje. Instead of say diving vertical or looping I pursued. I should have fought him even if he was diving and turning by extending or just doing vertical maneucwrs until he came at me and bouncing him.  I havent flown the spit Ix but flyinf yaks and spit Vs you find out even if you can out turn the enemy if they can easily disengage bexause of speed theres not much you can do.. Unless they foolishly attack you.  I should have dangled myself as bait. He dived. I should have kept altitude ajd stayed near him and when he came at me I should have struck.

Instead I followed him down. We did 2 turns. I saw the writing on the wall. Furst turn I almost stayed with him. 2nd turn he almost was almost flying head on to me when I got my nose on him. I remember specifically thinking "there wont be a 4th circle. The 3rd he.ll be on my tail and thats it"

So I dived with the lityle alt I had and started hopping tree lines, full boost on.  Flying low would have sufficdd - I didnt need to hot dog it and my wing caught a damn tree. Was so mad at myself

[CrazyDuck]

My fav 109 is definitely the F4. It's probably the best fighter in the world in 1941 ("probably" because of the A6M and Ki-43, nothing allied comes close to F4).

 

After 1941 I find it hard to justify picking a 109 over the 190. When G6 comes around, you already have 190 A3 and A5.

 

Don't get me wrong, G6 is definitely better than F4. But while F4 is the undisputed king versus its 1941 competition, the G6 is a mere average in 1943/44.

[Sublime]

13 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

I like G6...in the hands of an expert pilot can be  a really good plane.

The default armament is enough to kill enemy fighters easily

Youre absolutely right of course.  I guess its a matter of if you already like the 109 and flying it, its an interesting "flavor"

[Blackhawk_FR]

7 hours ago, CrazyDuck said:

Don't get me wrong, G6 is definitely better than F4.

 

Actually the F4 is a bit faster. So depending on your point of view, F4 can be better. 

[SCG_OpticFlow]

38 minutes ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

 

Actually the F4 is a bit faster. So depending on your point of view, F4 can be better. 

 

It gets even better in turning, where the heavier G series need to pull more AoA (= more drag) than the F4 to keep the same turn radius. Seems to me that the F4 was the pinnacle of the 109 line as a nimble dogfighter, every following iteration added more and more weight and decreased its turning performance...

[Hawk-2a]

12 minutes ago, OpticFlow said:

It gets even better in turning

At very low speeds with a bit of flaps out, the F4 can turn so well that it keeps up in turns with a yak and can even outturn it. But careful using this technique, flaps deploy slowly compared to basically any other plane.

[Blackhawk_FR]

1 hour ago, OpticFlow said:

 

It gets even better in turning, where the heavier G series need to pull more AoA (= more drag) than the F4 to keep the same turn radius. Seems to me that the F4 was the pinnacle of the 109 line as a nimble dogfighter, every following iteration added more and more weight and decreased its turning performance...

 

True. However to me the primary advantage of 109 against all its opponents is its climb rate. 

Dragging my opponent in a verticale climb and then dive on him when he's out of of speed, hanging on his prop, is one of my very common maneuver with 109. Need a good sense of timing though, and you put yourself in danger if you misestimate his energy state.

[Sublime]

How much flap you put out usually when you use em dogfighting?

I never put out flaps in dogfights. Speeds everything

[Hawk-2a]

Not too much flaps, maybe 20% sometimes a bit more. 

But generally i avoid committing to the dogfight in the first place. I try to use the superior climb and speed to BnZ basically. If the pass was not successful just pull up and reset. Then rinse and repeat.

i rarely if ever really come to the low level low speed situation that i would need flaps. But if you get there, the flaps can assist your turning performance. It‘s nice to know that.

But just try to avoid getting to that point with a 109. this usually means you messed up something earlier on.

 

[Sublime]

2 hours ago, =FC=SteelFalcon said:

Not too much flaps, maybe 20% sometimes a bit more. 

But generally i avoid committing to the dogfight in the first place. I try to use the superior climb and speed to BnZ basically. If the pass was not successful just pull up and reset. Then rinse and repeat.

i rarely if ever really come to the low level low speed situation that i would need flaps. But if you get there, the flaps can assist your turning performance. It‘s nice to know that.

But just try to avoid getting to that point with a 109. this usually means you messed up something earlier on.

 

Thanks.

Youre 100% right unless its AI and even then Ive realized I need to only BnZ and practice my biggest provlem with BnZ - keeping the enemy constantly in view or as much as possible.

You really threw me for a loop earlier when you said the F4 is faster than a G6 - I knew they got heavier but I was almost certain looking in the notes the speed steadily increased through each model. Im definitely not saying youre wrong - Im going to check that as that drastically would change some things for me in MP.  For example Im still TOTALLY in love with die beule but now in MP if theres say G2s G4s and F4s why wouldnt I take an F4?  After all its the 109 Ive "flown" the most in my life of simming by far, Im best in it, amd it flies best.

In every sim the 109 F4 handles well and I do best in it.

Specifically to this sim though - I avoided the E7 (a lot because the jabo missions) whem i tried it I really liked how it handled etc.  Ironically the f4 cockpit is a lot simpler and feels less advanced and dense than the e7 cockpit (its not its just more instruments)

In this sim though and I admit I dont remember the comparison as well with others as the F4 but still fairly well - fhe g6 flies like Im putting on a glove.  That common expression from pilots really fits to how flying the G6 feels to me - its strange but of all the planes in the game Ive flown its the one so far that has just touched me somehow.  I have no idea why - the armament is different otherwise its pretty similar to other 109s. But i do love the armament (lol) more than that though for me and my flying style its got just the right 'heft' and mabeuverability.. That it feels perfect. First sim I ever would say any 109 felt better to fly to me than the F4.  Again, I dont know what it is about it, but I fly better in it as well because the corresponding feeling of confidence I have in it.

A good contrast is the P39. Im constantly babying the damn thing hoping not to break the engine, it seems if a mouse farts in China the plane buffets and it has a nasty spin - basically it doesnt engender flying the the thing to its limits

[Hawk-2a]

Well if you compare technical info about g models and the f4 you notice that g models perform better above 6k alt than the F4. However, as most mid war and early war fighting takes place below 6k you are fine in the f4. The difference there is not that big. On WOL, most fights are between deck and maybe 4k, rarely above that.

but above 6k you will notice the better performance of the g-models alot.

 

g-models are also the better BnZ planes than the f4, but not by a large margin. The 109 is an energy fighter with a great climb as his most valuable asset. Use it. Use High yo-yos and loops, but don‘t jerk too hard on the stick, be gentle and fluid in its handling. You‘ll see the potential a 109 can have if flown right.

 

and yes, armament on the g6 upwards is amazing. Especially if you can use the mk108. I am training more with the g14 on kota lately and it never disappoints. 

Needs trigger discipline as you only have 65 rounds of 30mm tho.

Edited May 10, 2019 by =FC=SteelFalcon

[Sublime]

Yesss. That mk108. I love it.  I just squeeze off single shots or as close as I can get to it.  But its great because if you get one solid hit of a 30mm round and 2 .50 cals most fighters cant survive that anywhere in the body.   The only thing Ive noticed about the mk108 is in high deflection shots I often have to risk pulling my nose over the enemy to lead him. I habe the same issue in dogfights in the LA5 and its a helluva risk to lose sight of your enemy.

 

Edited May 10, 2019 by Sublime

[Hawk-2a]

Deflection shooting takes a lot of training. And honestly, some luck. With a 109, never commit to follow a bogey for a long time in a hard turn just to get the shot off at an almost impossible angle. I tend to turn into him for a short time (if it is too long, you‘ll hear the airframe shake) and try to get a shot in. If there is no chance to squeeze one on target, don‘t bother. Just don‘t turn. Go straight and go up in either a yo-yo or reset by getting back to altitude and set up for a new approach. The bogey loses energy by breaking hard to avoid your shots, while you maintain energy by not committing to his turn and instead pull up and stay high and/or fast. Eventually you bleed his energy enough to get a killshot. It worked like a charm yesterday night on kota.

you can even maintain the initiative against multiple bogeys (we were 2v4 and never in danger at all) by being careful with your energy.

let them play on your terms, don‘t ever play on their terms.

some think it is „being a coward“ but no, you just play your cards.

 

Keeping eyes on a target comes over time (and a wingman helps for that too, hats off to @=FC=Frakkas).

 

sorry for the wall of text. Hope it helps you.

cheers

[Sublime]

No need to apologize I really welcome ti advice ty! Especiallt advice on BnZ.  Yes the plane buffeting means youre about to stall... And yes it definitely seems if you commit to a turning fight and start losing your energy youre putting yourself at risk for anyone else coming along and almost for sure will lose in MP.  Youre right - my few kills online mostly in a 109s havent been long fights with victories - they were swoop in dives or where I came over and pulled up - a deadly burst and flying away. 

It always seems to be settled at that pass.  If head on the next pass perhaps -- but in my experience online if you get the drop on someone and botch the bounce and follow them down the rabbit hole in a 109 it usually doesnt end well.

[SCG_OpticFlow]

If you like BnZ or flying fast at tree top level, try the 190... ?

[Sublime]

Oh Ive tried the 190 quite a bit.  I love the 190.  However I dont keep going back to it like the 109.

Thing is I actually dont like BnZ.  It goes against all my instincts to just scrabble around and turn fight.  Its compounded further now that a good portion of the community is using hardware that literally puts mouselook viewers at a strong disadvantage.  Try using the P40 mirror with just mouselook lol.

Reality is what it is.  To survive online at all and especially in 109s and 190s you have to BnZ.  Im not particularly good at it either. ?

[Sublime]

Im so annoyed at my flying last night all I can think of is going home to fly axis in MP and redeem myself.  Hits no kills.  2 on a 109 F4 on a Stalingrad map KOTA.  2 guys mhsta been flyin together. Think it was the same duo that got me twice.  Both in Yaks or at least one def.  First time theyre over the north end of city below. I dive on the guy, we go vertical, i get hosed from behind.

I come back.  Same area. Theyre up high. We go vertical. Get hosed again.  This time my plane was hit bad but still running. The engime was losing its damn mind. A quick burst and I saw definite 20mm strikes... Then the engine died and I bailed. No kill.

On WoL next a 1943 scenario.  I go for my love the G6. Feels good.  But wait - no 30mm?! Im alarmed. Oh well.   20mm is a little new in G6 but I can dig the large ammo load.  First time near Taman - axis fortificatiions. I see a Peshka doing a2g. Me being me I totally botched this.

I dive. Lose sigh.t climb. See him dive. Lost sight. 3rd time I come down sprayoning away and getting woefully few hits.  Thek I get hit hard and run for it. Im. Jinkinh all over on the deck and take a few more hits.  One barrel roll. 2 barrel rolls. I look behind me.  Theres at least 4 spitfires ALL firing at me! That split second is vividly imprinted on my mind - IRL that woulda been my last cognizant thought and view - a wing hit a tree I cartwheeled...

I think yhe same Peshka driver came back. I did too.  Again I royally F up my dive but kot as bad, I come down fire and miss. Extejd but dont lose sight.  His damned gunner hits me hard.  I come back and hose and get good hits.   Of course I messed up what I normally would have destroyef in SP - but its MP so I spray his wing causing a fuel leak other damage unknown. Im chasing him as my engine dies - as he eases out of range andnis a distance away i hold down the trigger frustrated hoping for a lucky shot.  Then I ditched in a field. Afaik he landed safely. I got captured.

Sigh.

[FTC_Riksen]

14 hours ago, Sublime said:

Oh Ive tried the 190 quite a bit.  I love the 190.  However I dont keep going back to it like the 109.

Thing is I actually dont like BnZ.  It goes against all my instincts to just scrabble around and turn fight.  Its compounded further now that a good portion of the community is using hardware that literally puts mouselook viewers at a strong disadvantage.  Try using the P40 mirror with just mouselook lol.

Reality is what it is.  To survive online at all and especially in 109s and 190s you have to BnZ.  Im not particularly good at it either. ?

 

If you like turn fighting, perhaps you should stick to Allied aircrafts. Although the 109 can hold its ground in this type of engagements, that is definitely how it should be used if you want to fly safe, score kills, and fly home to tell the tale ... 109s love to climb so trap your enemy in vertical combat and practice deflection shooting. That is the way to obtain the best out of this plane and survive.

[Sublime]

This is the thing. IME exoerience online almost all my kills are 109. I feel most comfetable in it. I flew it ALOT SP.

Allied planes too. I never seem to do as well though. The LA5FN im ok, I xant seem to squeeze the yak1B percormance other people do though - frankly I do better with Yak7Bs and even that.. 

Maybe I should try to go back.

That said my hearts with the Luftwaffe. im an american but was born there, I like their planes best.  Idk.  I like a challenge too - MP in generals a challenge lol - but the fact I know I could step my 109 game up a lot bt constant practixe draws me back. The only Sov fighter that inspires the same joy and confidenxe a G6 gives me is the FN. The to others the Yak7B, 1B are good planes but I dont feel Ive mastered them. And thoufg sims are different and have chanved so much since my beginnings in 95 Ive flown countless more 109s than these relaticely obscure VVS planes (for flight sims)

28 minutes ago, SCG_Riksen said:

 

If you like turn fighting, perhaps you should stick to Allied aircrafts. Although the 109 can hold its ground in this type of engagements, that is definitely how it should be used if you want to fly safe, score kills, and fly home to tell the tale ... 109s love to climb so trap your enemy in vertical combat and practice deflection shooting. That is the way to obtain the best out of this plane and survive.

 Id rlly like your advice knowing I use my mouse to look but got a good joy etc. 

What altitude? Im usually around 4k? Maybe 3k? Am i overdoing my dives or underdoing them? If i chop to zero it seems to not wrk unless too steep, any throttle besides a little gets compression issues. Or do I do split S' down?  I should do one pass and extend checkinf six at least a good km away before rejudginf right? Or more situational. Yes Ive seen guides watched fhe vids 

The LA5 in general - it seems u need to aim a half of a tick mark above where u want to hit without deflection bc cannon placement. If i got it backwards pls correct me.

Id really like tips on best use of Yak1Bs and how to get extended good power eitbout overheats - and id you fight the same or diff in the 2 and if so why? Aby advixe also.

But again - I really want Bf109 advice even FW190 advice. I can fly her but details welcome dont mind tellinv me yohr power settinfs etc.

For example after t/o i goto 1.1 ata or arnd 60% cont mode. I climv to 3 or 4 k and 5km frm the frbt go to 1.2 ata combat mode (68 or 70%) enemies spotted I increase just under emergenxy and go.  After a dogfight I climb if im safe and then power back to continous. Im very wary of this ans dont do it until I level off to get my speed up again. Once in a combat zone even if you feel safe you want a good speed going so sommeone cant do a rocket attack on you - rocketting by not literally.

Also to the guy who sais F4s are faster than G6s... Youre riggt it seems. I flew an F4 cold weather Mp stalingrad last nite. Arnd 4km or 3km high level I got over 520km/h

[SCG_OpticFlow]

14 hours ago, Sublime said:

Oh Ive tried the 190 quite a bit.  I love the 190.  However I dont keep going back to it like the 109.

Thing is I actually dont like BnZ.  It goes against all my instincts to just scrabble around and turn fight.  Its compounded further now that a good portion of the community is using hardware that literally puts mouselook viewers at a strong disadvantage.  Try using the P40 mirror with just mouselook lol.

Reality is what it is.  To survive online at all and especially in 109s and 190s you have to BnZ.  Im not particularly good at it either. ?

 

To enjoy this game, a head tracking solution is a must. Using pedals instead of a twist stick also improves flying precision and aiming a lot.

[Sublime]

1 minute ago, OpticFlow said:

 

To enjoy this game, a head tracking solution is a must. Using pedals instead of a twist stick also improves flying precision and aiming a lot.

I got a call and Im praying that I get a job this week. The last 2 months of ubempkoynent have been awful and humiliating. The only good thing is I wouldnt have delced into Il2 if not losing mynjob - I was so mad I couldnt get my long awaites F14 module I got all I could afford Il2 BOS on sale.

That said my logitech 3d xtreme pro is one of the best joys i ever had. I only had one better one almost 20 yrs ago.  It handles the rudder very well and tbrust reasonably well.

If i had the money a cheaphead set wud be one; 2 would be a used VR headset. If not the IR. Its just beconing SO obvious theres a major major advantage to usinf that in any flying game

3 would be a hotas

4 rudder pedals

Tbh 3 and 4 would directly be competing for BoBP and F14 on DCS. Theyll probably lose and be lowered on the ljst. Also on the list is a couole of games her and planes I want to gift to enthusiastic newbies as was done for me.

I will get work and this will happen. But the sporsdic work I get now - I cant in good faith not spend extra money on my 7 yr olds gsmer hobby over my own.

So its not a realistic option fot me now. I have to make do with what Ive got.

Its still ok and fun. Im sure enough prsctice can improve me quite a bit ir or vr or no!

 

If I get this stop and shop job I obviously cant enact my plan immedistely - but the moneys better than i ever made legally un my life (iirx they said 15 an hr) and its bennies and union! I do know if zi get it Ill have a used VR in a month or 2, BP ajd F14 by july, a headset first check, and hotas rudder pedals by august. By june Im sure some sale will happen and Ill gift back to this community who 80% of has been awesome.

Thanks!! 

So please tactics working with what I got. I dont have 190s oast the A5 but I trust both a3 and 5 are suitable for a2a ops even against p47s and spit ixs (?)

Teach me ; oh master.

[CountZero]

Sublime have you try use hatswitch on your stick for looking around if you dont have head tracker.

 

Edited May 11, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[Sublime]

3 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

Sublime have you try use hatswitch on your stick for looking around if you dont have head tracker.

 

Count I find the hatswitch way too xlumsy compared to usinf a mouse to look around?

God. I just had to take a break.  5 sorties in a row MP just noe all 109 F4. All didnt even score a hit on the enemy.  I got rekt

Count Ill mess with it... But if I do Ill habe to move flap and rpm buttons OR move radiator and oil rad buttons either way not a happy solution same with cowling. Ill fidle with the spees but using the hat to look feels unnatural always has. Its always felt natural as a lefty to use mouze to look while i flew joy in right.  Ive considered moving my flaps button and adding a second throttle closer to where i dont have to use the slider snd move my hand. In fact Im gonna try thst and see if it helps online. I dont use flaps enough to justify not trying it at least.  As it is now so etimes I have to quickly set my throttle again - using 2 buttons wont be as quick but perhaps in a dogfight

This is logitech 3d extreme pro. I like the joy rudder. Ppl have diff opinions l. Mime is this. I can fly reliably at 100 knots at 20 or 30 feet in a Uh1H in DCS full real... Using the joy rudder. I can land under fire do CSAR or whatever. Thats good enough for me.

Edited May 11, 2019 by Sublime