sallee Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Just anticipating...surely we can bring it forward a day? 3
Zappatime Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 Yak PE-2 QMB M/P More clouds More flak More missions More effects More animations Less radio repeats .....er, snow, maybe Well something from the above, quite possibly ;-)
The_Math_Teacher Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 I believed for a moment that we would have all these things... Thanks for playing with my feelings... (just kidding )
ShamrockOneFive Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 The posts will mainly consist of "I can't understand why we can't have 24/7 access" mixed with a smattering of "in [a.n other game] that has early access we get to do X/Y/Z" We may also see an amount of "why can't the developers get trim working instead of adding X/Y/Z?" or the alternative version which goes "I'm not interested in X/Y/Z and can't/won't play the game until trim is added" What they don't realize is how freaking amazing the current Alpha version is even working. Its stable, its performing at a very high level, its really a quality product so far and we're still in the stage where technologies are being added. That says something to me. Yeah, no trim is annoying but frankly it doesn't even matter at this stage. It will as we approach release and the finished and fully developed product... but until then. Enjoying the development.
sallee Posted March 12, 2014 Author Posted March 12, 2014 ah, comedy gold. or something. And I was only aiming for bronze!
senseispcc Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 41.5% or 42% of the finished game? Really it is of no importance! The important thing is to play each Friday until we get the full game with more experience than the poor little non pre-order players, hehe evil laughs.
Frost* Posted March 12, 2014 Posted March 12, 2014 The posts will mainly consist of "I can't understand why we can't have 24/7 access" mixed with a smattering of "in [a.n other game] that has early access we get to do X/Y/Z" We may also see an amount of "why can't the developers get trim working instead of adding X/Y/Z?" or the alternative version which goes "I'm not interested in X/Y/Z and can't/won't play the game until trim is added" Bit of a cynical post! I'm one of the ones not doing much until I can trim the aircraft at least. I wouldn't say that my toys are out of the pram because it hasn't been addressed as yet, although I'm hoping it is fairly high up on the 'to do' list. For those not finding the lack of trim controls frustrating...I genuinely envy you! : )
Creepermoss Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 Bit of a cynical post! I'm one of the ones not doing much until I can trim the aircraft at least. I wouldn't say that my toys are out of the pram because it hasn't been addressed as yet, although I'm hoping it is fairly high up on the 'to do' list. For those not finding the lack of trim controls frustrating...I genuinely envy you! : ) I disagree, I'd say he nailed it. 1
SOLIDKREATE Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 I just want to shoot some human players down! 2
AX2 Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) I just want to shoot some human players down! Flying a YAK 1 or a 109 That's the point for me! · shoot some human · Edited March 13, 2014 by Mustang
MalleusTempus Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 I'll tell you what it'll bring, it'll bring an actual post from an actual Dev telling you what they're up to and what they can't do and why.......which is a nice damn change from where I've come from.
Finkeren Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 The posts will mainly consist of "I can't understand why we can't have 24/7 access" mixed with a smattering of "in [a.n other game] that has early access we get to do X/Y/Z" We may also see an amount of "why can't the developers get trim working instead of adding X/Y/Z?" or the alternative version which goes "I'm not interested in X/Y/Z and can't/won't play the game until trim is added" The word "mainly" might be going too far, but otherwise I agree. 1
Frost* Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 ^^^ Well, a little cynical yeah! : ) Agreed, no point whining repeatedly about anything. Can't say I've seen a terrific amount of that on this forum although there will always be some. I know it's very early days and not being an expert in game/sim development leaves me ignorant to many of the obstacles and difficulties with that. I'm just a little puzzled as to why such an important (required for basic and accurate flying) feature is taking some time to implement. After all, for me it's difficult to appreciate the fantastic flight models when I'm constantly fighting the aircraft in pitch. I think my attitude is that I'd rather forgo a new aircraft or eye candy for a couple of weeks if it would mean that trim for all aircraft could be implemented sooner rather than later. I realise that eye candy and new aircraft are tasks taken on by different people in different departments but all the same, I hope you get my drift. I'm happy with my IL2 BOS purchase but do hope for me that some progress with implementation of trim is made fairly soon. I'm not really a fan of the BOS scenario and had hoped for just about anything else if I'm honest. I do see immense potential from what I've seen so far and hope that with enough support there will be add-ons, expansions to come however far down the line (not too far...I'm getting on a bit!). 1
Zappatime Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 At 41% I've had a lot of enjoyment with il2BOS so far, more than I expected to be honest, its shaping up with great care and attention is the impression I get, so any addition will be a plus, I've no gripes but looking forward to more access time :-)
BeastyBaiter Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 I predict I will predict we get exactly what we were told we'd get last week (MP). Now excuse me while I find the prediction thread and make said prediction. 2
Georgio Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 For the life of me I don't understand why some people place so much importance on trim in a game. i mean it's not like they're trimming the a/c so the can eat their packed lunch enroute to the frontline. I think some people just get anal about a very small aspect of their expectations and because it doesn't sit well in their world and because they can do jack about it, gradually it becomes this huuuuuuge problem that is so irritating it affects their entire enjoyment of the sim, so a rattle gets thrown and another post gets posted... I'm glad these people are living in the real world otherwise who knows what might upset their sensibilities next. A little tip, learn to fly without trim, infact embrace the untrimness of this sim, look on it as a sloooow tease towards the day when trim is finally implemented in it's glory and you might even find that life will take on a new, less troubled hue....^^
BraveSirRobin Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 I expect to desperately need trim once MP starts if I'm flying the Lagg. Not so much for myself, but finding someone distracted while they fix their trim is probably the only way I'll get any kills. 2
Georgio Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 Haha yea exactly! I expect to desperately need trim once MP starts if I'm flying the Lagg. Not so much for myself, but finding someone distracted while they fix their trim is probably the only way I'll get any kills.
BeastyBaiter Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 LOL Robin. Anyways, the "trim" issue isn't really the lack of it, it's how extremely out of trim the LaGG and IL2 in neutral stick position are. The Ju-87 is a joy to fly and can be flown precisely despite the lack of trim. The LaGG-3 is a nightmare though. Flying it is fine, but trying to execute complex manuevers by feel is basically impossible. With the stick almost always pushed forwards, there is no reference point to judge how fast the plane is going. This in turn requires the pilot to sit there and stare at the airspeed indicator instead of actually paying attention to what they are trying to do. Honestly, trim isn't going to fix the LaGG-3 or IL-2. The problem is that they have asymetric controls and the devs have gone with a 1 to 1 control setup rather neutral stick = neutral controls configuration. End result is anyone not using FFB is just shit out of luck, which is the vast majority of us given that FFB sticks haven't been in production for a few years and were never very popular to begin with. What is needed is for them to adopt non-linear responses to make the center stick position actually be neutral control input. The compromise given in RoF to this issue was custom response curves so that although the default is the same here, it can be fixed by the user. 2
BMA_West Posted March 13, 2014 Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) I always found it somewhat unfair that buying new ROF planes didn't stretch the package for at least a profile one was free to embrace or not where centre stick position actually was the neutral control input instead of having to figure one out by your lonely yourself. What was a piece of cake for the devs could be quite troublesome for most and really proved to much for some. Personally I didn't really need because of my MSFFB. However figuring out response profiles for some of the more demanding FM's was quite worth the trouble, FFB or none. Edited March 13, 2014 by West
III/JG11_Tiger Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) For the life of me I don't understand why some people place so much importance on trim in a game. i mean it's not like they're trimming the a/c so the can eat their packed lunch enroute to the frontline. I think some people just get anal about a very small aspect of their expectations and because it doesn't sit well in their world and because they can do jack about it, gradually it becomes this huuuuuuge problem that is so irritating it affects their entire enjoyment of the sim, so a rattle gets thrown and another post gets posted... I'm glad these people are living in the real world otherwise who knows what might upset their sensibilities next. A little tip, learn to fly without trim, infact embrace the untrimness of this sim, look on it as a sloooow tease towards the day when trim is finally implemented in it's glory and you might even find that life will take on a new, less troubled hue....^^ After years of flying ROF with no curves or responses set I barely notice the lack of trim and havent bothered so far even setting it with the 109. Edited March 14, 2014 by III/JG11_Tiger
Klabo44 Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 ^^^ Well, a little cynical yeah! : ) Agreed, no point whining repeatedly about anything. Can't say I've seen a terrific amount of that on this forum although there will always be some. I know it's very early days and not being an expert in game/sim development leaves me ignorant to many of the obstacles and difficulties with that. I'm just a little puzzled as to why such an important (required for basic and accurate flying) feature is taking some time to implement. After all, for me it's difficult to appreciate the fantastic flight models when I'm constantly fighting the aircraft in pitch. I think my attitude is that I'd rather forgo a new aircraft or eye candy for a couple of weeks if it would mean that trim for all aircraft could be implemented sooner rather than later. I realise that eye candy and new aircraft are tasks taken on by different people in different departments but all the same, I hope you get my drift. I'm happy with my IL2 BOS purchase but do hope for me that some progress with implementation of trim is made fairly soon. +1
FuriousMeow Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) In about 18 years of playing these types of games online, I'm truly amazed that trim is such an issue. I've always just played with however it was set from takeoff or after exiting auto level pilot. I've never fumbled with it prior to entering a fight, while in a fight or after exiting a fight. It was always a distraction and gave no gain, the exception being the Il2 series but that's because it was a hack job. Trim wasn't modelled at all there, it manipulated the entire control surface instead of just a small portion (the trim tab). I have years of experience of just holding the stick in a particular direction to and from targets, and when engaging I never once adjusted the trim to be level or anything else. It's such a significant distraction that it was pointless. I played CK/WB/AH online and out of curiosity I would use trim but found zero benefit except to the guy trying to shoot me down because I was distracted by it. And no, FFB sticks are not advantageous - I've tried a friend's FFB and hated it. I've always used non-FFB and have had zero issues without ever trimming out. I have auto-level autopilot, that's all I need so I can get up to pee or get a beer. Edited March 14, 2014 by FuriousMeow
Creepermoss Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 I guess I can see the downside to a lack of trim, if you have a stiff joystick spring and plan to play for 5+ hours nonstop. Doesn't really bug me, though.
Georgio Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 Yep except for two important points, firstly you're not sitting holding the stick in one position for 5 hours and secondly trimming is dynamic dependant on the plane's speed, so in theory every time you change speed the trim will need adjusting to get back to your comfort zone. Personally I just subconciously adjust the stick position, so I don't even think about it. Fiddling with trim while in a fight is a recipe for diaster and yetnthere are those detractors who think that they can't 'push' the envelope of performance without trimming. Popycock, they just need to practice flying. I guess I can see the downside to a lack of trim, if you have a stiff joystick spring and plan to play for 5+ hours nonstop. Doesn't really bug me, though.
Frost* Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) I see there's many fine pilots on here who won't need or bother to use the trim controls once they're implemented. : ) As I fly RC aircraft 'trimming out' is the first order of the day to avoid becoming a lawn dart. Whilst there's little comparison between flying RC and BOS it's possible I'm finding it a little weird not having it as yet for that reason. Maybe I'm being a bit anal about trim not being implemented as yet, but I still say for accurate flying and dogfighting where airspeed changes rapidly it is a huge requirement. It will be with us before long I'm sure. My original post was to indicate my surprise that a function essential to decent stick and rudder work isn't with us as yet especially in a detailed sim like BOS. I'll drop the subject there as I don't want accusations of 'whining' coming my way. : ) As I mentioned earlier...fantastic sim even at this early stage and I'm glad I'm aboard. Edited March 14, 2014 by ChocsAway 1
6./ZG26_Emil Posted March 14, 2014 Posted March 14, 2014 I did a lot of F5ing yesterday....then I realised it was Thursday 2
unreasonable Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 I never bother with changing trim in a fight, just a distraction, but it is hugely useful in take-off, landing and flying in formation with an AI flight leader. These are all much harder if you are having to fight constant stick pressure with a FFB stick. There is after all a reason why the pilots of these aircraft were in fact trained to use trim as part of specific modes of flight. I am a little surprised that trim was not implemented earlier as well, since it is a fairly fundamental part of aircraft operating procedures, so my approach has been simply to stick to the 109 until it is added. My only slight fear is that the devs will turn round at some point and say well since you are all such studs that you find trim to be so meaningless and unnecessary we have decided to leave it out!
Zoring Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Smoke trails from planes don't disappear when they hit the ground now, great fix 1
Finkeren Posted March 15, 2014 Posted March 15, 2014 Smoke trails from planes don't disappear when they hit the ground now, great fix Woot? I haven't noticed that, but if it's there, that's GREAT!
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