New thread about invisible trees (obstacles), to increase visibility

[stupor-mundi]

There's really nothing new to be said here, about the invisible obstacles.

 

But I'm slowly losing the plot about the total lack of feedback from the devs on this. I've written at least two prior regular threads on this topic, and in March a bug report (see below). No response whatsoever from anyone official.

 

Hence this new thread. If those invisible trees drive you nuts, please respond here. I hope, the more is written on this, EVENTUALLY it might catch the eye of someone at 1C.

 

 

 

[JGr2/J5_Baeumer]

Stupor, its likely not an issue with the devs but with the mission builder....mission builders have the tree objects set so they are unable to sustain damage.....which would also explain why devs haven't replied....

[stupor-mundi]

Hi Baeumer, all I want from the devs is some statement that would clear up the situation.

 

If they said, what are you talking about, we aren't aware of any invisible trees in our game, go look somewhere else for the cause, this would help greatly in moving issue forward. It's really important to narrow that down in order to tackle the problem.

 

Or maybe it could turn out that the devs don't know about the issue because they rarely play it online (multiplayer), it could turn out to be a online-only issue.

And so on.

 

Or maybe it could turn out to be an issue in all modes of the game and the devs haven't encountered it because they always nicely drive on the roads, or in the open field, don't drive through people's back yards, don't drive through the forest, and so on.

 

What strikes me as surreal is to imagine that they do encounter the issue, as much as we do, in online multiplayer, and somehow don't think it's a big deal. Maybe they drive their tanks much more slowly and don't get their drivetrains f*** up like I do all the time.

 

At any rate, if they engaged in some communication about this, it could enormously help this along. After all, as pre-release users of TC we are effectively their beta testers, and they don't respond to bugs we find.

 

I used to be an adherent of your hypothesis about the cause being the mission builder. But in the meantime, I've encountered invisible trees in locations which I felt were unlikely to have had objects on before, so now I am sceptical. I also never spend enough time single player to have a view on whether the invisible objects exist there.

 

It could be valuable if someone who does this a lot could share their experience regarding that.

 

[Dakpilot]

Perhaps a better bug report in correct place would be best approach? 

 

Cheers, Dakpilot

 

[JGr2/J5_Baeumer]

On 5/6/2019 at 7:18 AM, stupor-mundi said:

I used to be an adherent of your hypothesis about the cause being the mission builder. But in the meantime, I've encountered invisible trees in locations which I felt were unlikely to have had objects on before, so now I am sceptical.

@stupor-mundi....I understand the frustration and share in each of them from haystacks, water wells, small wagons and trees made of cement....all of which are mission builder controlled settings.....I especially hate the cement trees but can live with the other objects as they are more than less avoidable.

 

....and I've run into my share of invisible objects....

 

.....and I am open to your thoughts something could be amiss....

 

.....but I also know that building a mission map involves populating a map with buildings trees etc and then very often someone may strip some objects out of the map....then put things back in....possibly mucking things up with multiple layers of object elements that can be left behind unintetionally....and often I suspect a mission builder does this when learning to use the mission editor and once they start to get the hang of mission building we likely inherit these invisible artifacts of prior mission building experiemts from their trial and error efforts along the way....

 

I like @Dakpilot idea of each of the main tanker servers having a thread for reporting objects so those mission builders who care can see what things are wrong and have some two way communications with users of their missions and get a simple hit list  of items they can attend to for continued server development and  improvement.

Edited May 10, 2019 by J5_Baeumer
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[stupor-mundi]

On 5/6/2019 at 6:26 AM, J5_Baeumer said:

Stupor, its likely not an issue with the devs but with the mission builder

 

I never quite understood the rationale here, since the mission builder is also part of the whole IL-2 BoX package, thus this would be a bug for the devs either way.

 

At any rate, to put this question to rest, I created an offline single player mission based on the virgin Kuban map, untainted by any previous editing. I know because one of the missions on the EFront server is in Seversk, that the East waterfront of the river there is full of invisible trees. I placed a tank next to the waterfront, started the mission, drove along the river for a couple hundred meters and, bonk, bumped into an invisible tree.

 

Case closed, the invible trees are part of the base-map. The devs should look into this.

 

 

 

[JGr2/J5_Baeumer]

You just miss me Stupor.....nice to know someone is thinking of me...

 

....Dev mission builder didn't clean things up and left some residual stuff laying around before sending the map for publication...

 

....guess we need a thread to crowd source.....  "map" the maps ....log the precise coordinates of all known invisible "bonks"...?

Edited August 13, 2019 by J5_Baeumer

[JG1_Wittmann]

Invisible objects  are something that need to be looked at.   I ran into what looked liked a very small bush in MP,   and lost my engine, steering and transmission.   had to open a hatch and wait it out.   I restarted engine, wet to reverse, and lost a track, and transmission .    Exited   and chalked it up to  a good waste of time

[LLv34_Temuri]

On 5/10/2019 at 8:58 AM, J5_Baeumer said:

trees made of cement....all of which are mission builder controlled settings

Mission builders have no control over how hard trees are, it's purely on dev side.

[stupor-mundi]

On 8/13/2019 at 5:27 AM, J5_Baeumer said:

guess we need a thread to crowd source.....  "map" the maps ....log the precise coordinates of all known invisible "bonks"

 

I think/hope this is a joke rather than a serious suggestion. There must be tens of thousands of invisible trees in the various maps.

A task for a purpose built detection tool...

 

[JGr2/J5_Baeumer]

...I would imagine it would be useful to the devs to know where to look on what maps in order to investigate the problem in order to define what it is that went wrong and needs to be fixed.....right now they only have descriptions of encounters with invisible objects....I'm sure it would be an immense help for them if we log the precise coordinates of any of these objects....

[56RAF_Roblex]

8 hours ago, J5_Baeumer said:

...I would imagine it would be useful to the devs to know where to look on what maps in order to investigate the problem in order to define what it is that went wrong and needs to be fixed.....right now they only have descriptions of encounters with invisible objects....I'm sure it would be an immense help for them if we log the precise coordinates of any of these objects....

 

Many people,  including myself, have posted exact locations including screenshots and videos.