VVS Career planes types

[blitze]

Just wondering, my Stalingrad career in the VVS is going well but when it comes to planes types we have to deal with, it is mainly 109's F4 and G2 and Stukas.

On the flip side the Luftwaffe career flying a F4 109 gets to go up against Yaks, La's, Il2's, Pe2's and A20's and we get accompanied by Macchi's some times

 

Although as a 109 driver we only get to escort 109e's and Stukas

 

Were the Luftwaffe that boring in their plane deployment?  Where are the 190's, 110's, Ju88's and He111's? 

 

Another note about career is when your squad gets a ground attack mission or vehicle column attack mission where they fly without you.  You click start for them to do their thing and the Mission is a Success but nobody hit anything. Would be nice to see that as a failure or at least have them hit something in the after mission report.  ?

[Finkeren]

It depends a bit on the time period, at some points and in some areas there are gonna be more bomber activity than others. 

 

You aren't gonna see the Fw 190 though, unless you are flying it yourself, because it wasn't there. You can only fly it in the BoS career, because the devs put a fictitious gruppe there to make it possible to use the Fw 190A3 in career mode. 

 

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, Finkeren said:

You can only fly it in the BoS career, because the devs put a fictitious gruppe there to make it possible to use the Fw 190A3 in career mode. 

 

It's not a fictitious group.

[Finkeren]

11 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

It's not a fictitious group.

 

No sorry, fictitious in the sense, that it was not at Stalingrad. 

[RedKestrel]

It also depends on your unit and their position in the front, I think. If the enemy units closest to you fly certain aircraft types, you're more likely to face them in combat. So it could be that there are just no Ju-88 or He-111 units that operate within your combat radius for you to intercept. 
 

[gorice]

I've seen some MC.202s in my Stalingrad careers, but not a single He-111, Ju-52 or Ju-88. This despite operating from multiple airbases in different areas. Perhaps only certain units get called for those kinds of bomber intercepts?

[Sublime]

Pwgc lets you fly llanes closerto their historical introductions and lets you fly on some maps when career mode wont.

You will often see a lot more air activityin pwgc and also maybe its just me but Ive found more random trains etc driving around to strafe. Just set simple config to heavy for ground and air.

You.ll see good variety usually unless you check your intel and the enemy is only flying one plane. In esrly 42 in Kuban its like that IIRC theres only 109s or maybes its only mig3s for a little while.

As far as classic career mode I think if you fly more you.ll reconsider. The one thing I have yet to see in the stalingrad carwer that I tbought Id see mucg more is streams of Ju52s and lots of missioms for bouncing them. Havent seen a transport hunt mission *at all*.

Pwgc is good because unit call signs remain the same and you can look up what they are. Once you fly awhile you start knowing "ok thats I gruppe of my JG and theyre in a dogfight. Or thats stukas being attacked. Or those are 110s"  

Howeber in regular campaign Ive often seen 110s, stukas, Ju88s and He111s. Im surprised totally you havent. Lots of different Russian aircraft.

I really really wish the game would add more planes just AI only.  Heavy bombers and more meds and lights for BP (west front and no B17s or B24s)

No C47s in game is madness.  No Fw189s which were really common. No fieseler storches.  These planes were very common and important to what went on in tje fromt - even if only ad targets...

2 hours ago, gorice said:

I've seen some MC.202s in my Stalingrad careers, but not a single He-111, Ju-52 or Ju-88. This despite operating from multiple airbases in different areas. Perhaps only certain units get called for those kinds of bomber intercepts?

All 3 types you mentioned *always* fly from the westernmost luftwaffe airfields. You wont encounter them unless youre intercepti g them as Russians or happen by them. Chances arent high and it depends on what time of year.

If the game supported larger formations youd see them more especially in the end of august portion when the luftwaffe firebombed the city for days or when the luftwafve caught 3 divisions in the open 20 km east of the city and savaged them.. Youd also probably see more streams of Ju52s and running air battles.

Still early on you should often see 110s and 109s.  Second phase many hs129s, 110s and 109s. Youll start seeing 190s 2nd and 3rd phase.  The 129s will be a fairly constant prescence - the 110s will eventually stay at Tusov which is relatively isolated from the battlefield.

Again its all anecdotal. It depends on air density etc.

And again Ive seen way way larger air battles and formations flying around in PWGC. Though it has its flaws too

Also if you fly kuban youll never see the 110s unless you fly them they almost always fly at night. Anyone had any luck with that? With out gci etc hiw do you do it in this game?

Also in Kuban many A20 raids and luftwaffe bomber raids are at night.  Matter of fact Stalingrad they like doing night A20 raids. I hate flying at night.

[Feathered_IV]

It is amazing that the Ju-52 is not encountered when flying a Russian career in Stalingrad, or in the other two maps either.  Is there some special problem that prevents it being included?

[gorice]

 

18 hours ago, Sublime said:

Pwgc lets you fly llanes closerto their historical introductions and lets you fly on some maps when career mode wont.

You will often see a lot more air activityin pwgc and also maybe its just me but Ive found more random trains etc driving around to strafe. Just set simple config to heavy for ground and air.

You.ll see good variety usually unless you check your intel and the enemy is only flying one plane. In esrly 42 in Kuban its like that IIRC theres only 109s or maybes its only mig3s for a little while.

As far as classic career mode I think if you fly more you.ll reconsider. The one thing I have yet to see in the stalingrad carwer that I tbought Id see mucg more is streams of Ju52s and lots of missioms for bouncing them. Havent seen a transport hunt mission *at all*.

Pwgc is good because unit call signs remain the same and you can look up what they are. Once you fly awhile you start knowing "ok thats I gruppe of my JG and theyre in a dogfight. Or thats stukas being attacked. Or those are 110s"  

Howeber in regular campaign Ive often seen 110s, stukas, Ju88s and He111s. Im surprised totally you havent. Lots of different Russian aircraft.

I really really wish the game would add more planes just AI only.  Heavy bombers and more meds and lights for BP (west front and no B17s or B24s)

No C47s in game is madness.  No Fw189s which were really common. No fieseler storches.  These planes were very common and important to what went on in tje fromt - even if only ad targets...

All 3 types you mentioned *always* fly from the westernmost luftwaffe airfields. You wont encounter them unless youre intercepti g them as Russians or happen by them. Chances arent high and it depends on what time of year.

If the game supported larger formations youd see them more especially in the end of august portion when the luftwaffe firebombed the city for days or when the luftwafve caught 3 divisions in the open 20 km east of the city and savaged them.. Youd also probably see more streams of Ju52s and running air battles.

Still early on you should often see 110s and 109s.  Second phase many hs129s, 110s and 109s. Youll start seeing 190s 2nd and 3rd phase.  The 129s will be a fairly constant prescence - the 110s will eventually stay at Tusov which is relatively isolated from the battlefield.

Again its all anecdotal. It depends on air density etc.

And again Ive seen way way larger air battles and formations flying around in PWGC. Though it has its flaws too

Also if you fly kuban youll never see the 110s unless you fly them they almost always fly at night. Anyone had any luck with that? With out gci etc hiw do you do it in this game?

Also in Kuban many A20 raids and luftwaffe bomber raids are at night.  Matter of fact Stalingrad they like doing night A20 raids. I hate flying at night.

I know they are based far away, but I'm surprised I haven't seen any on an intercept mission in my VVS fighter careers.

 

18 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

It is amazing that the Ju-52 is not encountered when flying a Russian career in Stalingrad, or in the other two maps either.  Is there some special problem that prevents it being included?

I think I've seen it in the Moscow map. In Stalingrad, I'm currently at the point where the 6th Army is surrounded and I'm flying fighter missions over the pocket in a La-5, which makes the absence startling. Maybe I'm just unlucky.

Edited May 7, 2019 by gorice

[Finkeren]

13 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

It is amazing that the Ju-52 is not encountered when flying a Russian career in Stalingrad, or in the other two maps either.  Is there some special problem that prevents it being included?

 

I wonder if there is some logic in the mission generator, that forces intercept points to be set above friendly ground? Transport planes would generally be intercepted over their own territory or very close to the front. Even at Stalingrad, for most of the timeframe of the airlift, the Ju 52s really only had to fly a relatively short distance over enemy territory.

[Feathered_IV]

When I was still playing, I would routinely hit the Next Enemy button to scroll through the enemy aircraft in the hope of seeing a Ju-52.  Never once did I see a single one spawn anywhere.

[blitze]

PWCG is quite good, been using it on the Kuban Front myself but on a 1440p 27" monitor, the text can be a little small to read the after mission reports.  Not sure which font setting improves that. 

Also it is wise to change the random additional altitude setting to 1000 so it doesn't keep on creating missions where you have to climb to 7k or 8k each flight.  Keeps the flights more around under 4k altitude.

 

Now in Winter segment of my Stalingrad La 5 Career. Had to bomb a transport column of which I ignored the way points as they dragged me past enemy airfields inbound to the target area. Instead I dragged the flight further south and on to the target.  Dropped bombs and noticed a 2 ship flight heading North so I told my flight to carry on and I zoomed off to have a look.  It was 2 unfortunate 109 E's off on a bombing mission, I was at similar alt initially but I dived under them to gain on them and then come up from low 6.  AI was taken by surprise and  both went down.  Then had to head back South to rejoin my flight and fend off a flight of 109 G2's. 

 

Anyway - hopefully something to be expanded upon by the Devs with more target variety and also something that will not require a patch to remedy.?

 

It would be nice to set or alter way points on a Career mission as well as have for the flight leader the ability to set loadouts after the mission briefing map not before and to be able to set lead plane loadout and then apply to flight button like PWCG has.  Fuel, Skins and ordinance.

[RedKestrel]

15 minutes ago, blitze said:

PWCG is quite good, been using it on the Kuban Front myself but on a 1440p 27" monitor, the text can be a little small to read the after mission reports.  Not sure which font setting improves that. 

Also it is wise to change the random additional altitude setting to 1000 so it doesn't keep on creating missions where you have to climb to 7k or 8k each flight.  Keeps the flights more around under 4k altitude.

 

Now in Winter segment of my Stalingrad La 5 Career. Had to bomb a transport column of which I ignored the way points as they dragged me past enemy airfields inbound to the target area. Instead I dragged the flight further south and on to the target.  Dropped bombs and noticed a 2 ship flight heading North so I told my flight to carry on and I zoomed off to have a look.  It was 2 unfortunate 109 E's off on a bombing mission, I was at similar alt initially but I dived under them to gain on them and then come up from low 6.  AI was taken by surprise and  both went down.  Then had to head back South to rejoin my flight and fend off a flight of 109 G2's. 

 

Anyway - hopefully something to be expanded upon by the Devs with more target variety and also something that will not require a patch to remedy.?

 

It would be nice to set or alter way points on a Career mission as well as have for the flight leader the ability to set loadouts after the mission briefing map not before and to be able to set lead plane loadout and then apply to flight button like PWCG has.  Fuel, Skins and ordinance.

I'm not sure about setting new waypoints, but if you're the squadron leader you can click and drag the waypoints to new locations.

[VTMarvin]

On 5/7/2019 at 3:37 PM, RedKestrel said:

I'm not sure about setting new waypoints, but if you're the squadron leader you can click and drag the waypoints to new locations.

Wow! I did not knew that,thanks for letting us know. ?

[RedKestrel]

33 minutes ago, VTMarvin said:

Wow! I did not knew that,thanks for letting us know. ?

There's lots of little things in the Career mode that get overlooked. There's really not much in the way of official documentation so unless you spend a bit of time messing around you might never find some stuff out. I've been meaning to put together some kind of tutorial or something but haven't had the time or seen all that much interest, but maybe I should just bite the bullet and do it.