Joystick Slider For Flaps

[SkyMirage]

Not sure if this is the correct sub-forum, if it's not, feel free to move it mods.

 

Anyways, I don't have enough buttons on my Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X, (I know, not great, getting a new one soon), but I don't have enough buttons on it for everything I want. So I want to map the slider on the back of the throttle to flaps, full right being flaps down, full left being flaps up. But I'm not sure how to do that, the flaps only go down.

 

So if anyone has any ideas, it'd be much appreciated.

 

Oh, also, I don't have TrackIR or anything, so would I benefit from not using the throttle but just the stick and keyboard?

 

Thanks.

[Streiff]

Havent figured it out myselfe. I can get zoom in and out on 1 slider, even though when i set it in controls only 1 axis is registered it still works . But when i try to assign flaps to slider, i get the same result as you. I use a saitek X52.

Edited March 8, 2014 by Baron

[dburne]

You " could" pull that off, however you would need to use the TM Target software to do it, it will allow you to map an axis to give button commands.

However if you don't use Target now for doing any stick profiles, it may not be worth the aggravation for you to use it just for that.

 

If there really is no way to do it in the game software, and I don't know for sure either way, you might put it in the questions to developers, or suggestions to developers thread. I am sure there are others that would like that ability if it does not currently exist.

 

I think there are some other third party software out there to allow some customizations, might be worth checking out - I am sure someone will come along familiar with them.

Edited March 8, 2014 by dburnette

[Creepermoss]

I use http://joytokey.net/en/ to map my "center view" command via a button on my joystick. It's a simple keyboard emulation program, works well, and it's free.

[Sokol1]

Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas X is not compatible with T.A.R.G.E.T.

 

Use JoyToKey - easy to use, low resource usage - select the throttle slider axis and define his movement left to press F to lower flaps.

Since BoS have trouble with external key combos (e.g. Ctrl+) map a single key for raise flaps - e.g. V and define throttle slider axis movement right to raise - press V.

 

Additionally JoyToKey allow you create profiles that maximize the usage of your HOTAS buttons . Theoretically up to 16 - but practical is 2 or 3.

 

IMO - The impossibility to set axis in game GUI to control flaps is a smart decision to avoid the exploit used in (OM)il-2, the infamous "flaps on slider" and his bat turns.

 

Sokol1

Edited March 8, 2014 by Sokol1

[SkyMirage]

Alright, i'll probably try JoyToKey.

 

Regarding me second question, what do you guys think? (Oh, also, I don't have TrackIR or anything, so would I benefit from not using the throttle but just the stick and keyboard?)

 

Thanks.

[Emgy]

IMO - The impossibility to set axis in game GUI to control flaps is a smart decision to avoid the exploit used in (OM)il-2, the infamous "flaps on slider" and his bat turns.

 

Sokol1

 

Agree.

About OP's,second question, well, you could try mapping the throttle to keys and see how it goes. I haven't tried it so I don't know if throttle changes too slow or too fast to be manageable, or maybe it works fine.

[SkyMirage]

I tried JoyToKey and I can make the flaps lower but not raise. These are my settings.

 

[Streiff]

IMO - The impossibility to set axis in game GUI to control flaps is a smart decision to avoid the exploit used in (OM)il-2, the infamous "flaps on slider" and his bat turns.

 

Sokol1

 

 

 

 

That might be true for the Spit/Hurricane who only had fully up or down flaps. With the Bf 109, as far as i know, might be wrong, you can set the flaps at any angle you want manually. (IF they did irl and how that interferes with slats is another story ).

 

Besides, i fail to see the difference between using a slider or 2 keys, one for up and one for down. Again, talking about the Bf 109.

[Emgy]

Problem is if the slider is allowed to instantly set x degrees flap. If it works like in clod, where activating the slider only makes the 109 flap wheel turn slowly (as it would IRL), then it's fine. Same with prop pitch on a slider.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Calvamos

[Finkeren]

Problem is if the slider is allowed to instantly set x degrees flap. If it works like in clod, where activating the slider only makes the 109 flap wheel turn slowly (as it would IRL), then it's fine. Same with prop pitch on a slider.

Even if it is a somewhat better solution, it doesn't change the fact, that the player is not using the historically accurate amount of time to set the flaps. For instance in the BoS Bf 109 even if it would take several seconds to deploy flaps, a sim pilot could set the flaps in the blink of an eye and then turn his attention elsewhere, where a historical pilot would have to use one hand to turn the wheel for several seconds, during which time he couldn't for instance operate the throttle.

 

A press-and-hold system for gradually deployable flaps as in 109 and LaGG is the only historically accurate way to do it IMHO.

Edited March 9, 2014 by Finkeren

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

It is a pain to get BOS to recognise Shift+F when emulated via joystick mapping software.

 

What I found is that BOS requires the Shift to be held down first before pressing the next combination key.  You can manually emulate this on the keyboard in game.  Try pressing "Shift+f" at the same time versus first pressing the "Shift" then the "f" key.

 

I use a similar mapping software (Total Game Control).  In order to achieve sending multi-key combinations, such as a Shift+f (uppercase letter), to BOS you have to have at least a 100 milliseconds pause between sending the "Shift" and sending the "f" keys.  It also requires that the key command be sent repeatedly until the button(s) are released.

Edited March 9, 2014 by VR-Stick

[Sokol1]

More than 10 years I use flaps in this way:

 

 

Why I should change?

 

Besides, i fail to see the difference between using a slider or 2 keys, one for up and one for down. Again, talking about the Bf 109.

Is mater of speed, that players use to cheat.

 

Sokol1

Edited March 9, 2014 by Sokol1

[SkyMirage]

Yeah I changed the keys.

[DD_Crash]

It might be worth waiting a bit for 777 to finalize the controls.