Basic British Aircraft Set (Hypothetical)

[Motherbrain]

Since we already have two (and eventually three), British aeroplanes coming to Il-2, I was wondering what you folks opinions are of having a couple more potential aircraft to complete the set.

 

What I mean by a "basic set", is each nation would basically need three aircraft; a fighter, a ground attacker, and a bomber of some description. The Americans are going to get a "basic set" in the form of the P-51, P-47, and B-25, plus a couple of extra goodies for the Russians in the form of the A-20, P-40, and P-39.

 

 

I want to offer for your considerations a couple of different perspectives on this. One is from the perspective that it could work for the eastern front. Meaning the British aircraft would be lend-lease aircraft for the Russians. The other and in my opinion the better solution would be to look at it from the perspective of the Bodenplatte expansion, meaning the aircraft would just be regular British aircraft. This is the better solution since, for example, Russia only had one Dehavilland Mosquito for testing, so it wouldn't make sense to add a lend-lease Mosquito.

 

 

What would make a good lend-lease aircraft for the Russians would be the Hawker Hurricane, since a total of 2,952 aircraft were given to Russia according to Wikipedia.

 

 

So for a "complete set" of British aircraft, we have the two Spitfires we already have as fighters, the Tempest and potentially the Hawker Hurricane as the ground attack planes, and for a good British bomber, I think the glazed nose version of the Dehavilland Mosquito would be the best choice. It's not too big, and its a popular and well-known aircraft.

 

 

As much as I don't like the reasons why, I know the Lancaster would be out of the question, for the same reasons the B-17 and B-24 are currently.

 

 

Another potential lend-lease (or in this particular case simply abandoned) bomber for the Russians could be the Hampden bomber, though this is probably going to be a less popular (but still interesting IMO) choice. As far as I'm aware the Russians had about 20 of them and I think they were primarily used by the Russian navy (a good excuse to add torpedoes to boot). ?

 

 

But please, let me know what you guys think. ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[56RAF_Roblex]

I think Jason has already said the Hurricane is not very likely as it brings nothing new to the planeset.  Don't get me wrong,  I love the hurricane, but few people would fly it when there are better VVS aircraft available.  If they go to North Africa then yes please, especially the tank-buster.

 

 I have not seen any official comments on the likelihood of getting a Mosquito one day but  I think it would make a nice addition.   It does not have gunner stations which make development take much longer so it would be easier to make than the PE2 or JU88 or Bf110 were.  It can drop up to 4000lbs which is about the same as a B17 and the fighter version has very powerful guns so it would bring something new.    It was not used a lot in the dates surrounding Bodenplatte but it would fit in if they decided to stretch the dates back to the D-Day landings or if they ever did a Mediterranean expansion.  I cannot see the Hampden being done as it would take more development than the mosquito and just bring a poor light bomber.

[SqueakyS]

Jason's argument of the hurricane not adding anything new is a bit rediculous when we have the Bf 109 G2,4 and 6. I get thinking in terms of popularaty but its quite sad because with that thinking we will never see interesting planes like the Hampen or Hurricane despite them having their place in the war.

 

I completely agree with the plane set here but it seems with this sim the British plane set seems to be more and more neglected in favour of the US plane set.

[Motherbrain]

34 minutes ago, SqueakyS said:

Jason's argument of the hurricane not adding anything new is a bit rediculous when we have the Bf 109 G2,4 and 6. I get thinking in terms of popularaty but its quite sad because with that thinking we will never see interesting planes like the Hampen or Hurricane despite them having their place in the war.

 

I completely agree with the plane set here but it seems with this sim the British plane set seems to be more and more neglected in favour of the US plane set.

 

Yah I agree. We have what like 6 Bf109 versions but the Hurricane wouldn't add anything new? ?

 

And yeah its a bit of a shame there is a lack of Brit aircraft. I'd love to see the Hurricane. I've always had a soft spot for it.

 

[Velxra]

On 4/30/2019 at 4:31 PM, 56RAF_Roblex said:

I think Jason has already said the Hurricane is not very likely as it brings nothing new to the planeset.  Don't get me wrong,  I love the hurricane, but few people would fly it when there are better VVS aircraft available.  If they go to North Africa then yes please, especially the tank-buster.

 

Yes a north African campaign would open up so much and would finally give devs the reason to add in such great planes of the early war. Now with tank crew, we could even have British/American tanks in the game without the need of lend lease. Having large scale tank warfare and air raid missions on the African desert would be glorious. The African or Italian campaign would be the perfect avenue to add in specialized planes of the allies without the need of creating four engine bombers. Which has been the main justification argument on why we cannot have more planes from the allies or western front. 


I would also like the see the P-63 Kingcobra added into the game. The bigger brother of the P-39 aircobra.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-63_Kingcobra

Edited May 2, 2019 by Geronimo553

[EAF19_Marsh]

I would give odds on the Mossie given BoBp relevance. The Hurri if the team had infinite capacity to widen the earlier set from 1941-42 (which at present they do not).

 

Hampton et al? Very little chance given current maps and cost / benefit.

[CountZero]

On 5/2/2019 at 7:20 PM, Motherbrain said:

 

Yah I agree. We have what like 6 Bf109 versions but the Hurricane wouldn't add anything new? ?

 

And yeah its a bit of a shame there is a lack of Brit aircraft. I'd love to see the Hurricane. I've always had a soft spot for it.

 

even in clod online hurris were not popular airplanes and they won bob, i just dont see how you can get this airplane to be collectable, when your asking user to pay 2.5 times more for airplane, then it has to be worth it, and hurri is not...

 

As bunch of 5x5 for 80$ dlc where worth of airplane is 8$ is ok, but as collectable for 20$ it would be just bust...

 

 

[56RAF_Roblex]

4 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

even in clod online hurris were not popular airplanes

 

Not sure I can agree with that!   I flew on the Storm Of War server in CLoD where each squadron had an allocation of Spits & hurris at the start and replacements arriving weekly.  There were quite a few squadrons that used to give away all their spitfires as soon as they got them in return for hurricanes.   My squadron always had a mix but given a choice I always took a hurricane because it was so nice to fly.  Not fancy and twitchy like a spit but solid and stable which made it a very steady gun platform for killing bombers in one pass while still holding their own against the 109s in a turn fight.  

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

From the perspective of Bodenplatte, so to complete the representation of the 2nd TAF you would need Typhoon, Mosquito and Spitfire Mk XIV, and some American equipment such as Mitchell and Boston bombers and Mustang Mk I

[CountZero]

20 hours ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

 

Not sure I can agree with that!   I flew on the Storm Of War server in CLoD where each squadron had an allocation of Spits & hurris at the start and replacements arriving weekly.  There were quite a few squadrons that used to give away all their spitfires as soon as they got them in return for hurricanes.   My squadron always had a mix but given a choice I always took a hurricane because it was so nice to fly.  Not fancy and twitchy like a spit but solid and stable which made it a very steady gun platform for killing bombers in one pass while still holding their own against the 109s in a turn fight.  

That was only because it was only DF server heavy limiting numbers of airplanes to historical, so normaly you had hurris available more and players are forced to play with them. On most servers it was just spitvs109 all the time and only few hipsters in hurris. When your seling it for 20$ and online in box you dont have anything like sow, who would buy airplane thats so opsolite compared even to vvs stuff in game. Airplanes like hurri is better to have as group in dlc then collectables. 

Edited May 6, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[56RAF_Roblex]

1 hour ago, 77.CountZero said:

That was only because it was only DF server heavy limiting numbers of airplanes to historical, so normally you had hurris available more and players are forced to play with them

 

Not really.  Each allied squadron had Hurricanes and a smaller amount of Spitfires.  The squadrons I mentioned did not fly hurricanes because they were forced to by running out of spitfires.  They were given maybe 6 hurricanes and 4 spitfires but would rather have all ten being hurricanes so swapped their four spitfires for four hurricanes.   They had a free choice of fighting 109s in either Hurricanes or Spitfires and preferred Hurricanes.

Edited May 6, 2019 by 56RAF_Roblex

[EAF19_Marsh]

Since the map covers the scheldt estuary you could have mossie anti-shipping strikes.