Dare I ask? Getting the most out of the P-39

[-SF-Disarray]

Or 300 KPH is just about 186 MPH and 400 KPH is just about 248 MPH. Generally speaking if you divide KPH by 1.6 you will get MPH or reverse the numbers and multiply.

 

To convert Celsius to Fahrenheit just move to a place that uses the proper, Fahrenheit, system.

[Blackhawk_FR]

4 hours ago, Sublime said:

Anyonegot a good conversion (pls without decimals) for kilometers to miles?

 

1 mph = 1,6 kmh

 

300 mph = 480kmh

[Sublime]

Youre the best:)

Yeah I figure the speed out now.  I lime the round numbers. So 80km/h is 50 mph.  I want something like that for distances now.  And finally some equivalency for temps.

Again I suck at math so the decimal stuff..  Not good. Asking me to multiply not good.  Thats why the 80 50 works well. I can sit there and figure it out flying.

So again Im good on speeds but

Can you tell me like 5km is 3 miles or whatever nice round conversion there is and same with tempratures?

Ive looked for charts but there was no easy readily available one. Im sure more digging but meh

 

Edited May 3, 2019 by Sublime

[Tag777]

19 hours ago, F/JG300_Faucon said:

 

Wrong. I didn't found any difference in engine durability by reducing RPMs (or not interesting due to the loss of speed). You can keep 3000rpm during the whole flight. It's the manifold pressure that will break your engine. 

Interesting. I will give it a try next time.

[Fennec]

Well since the P39 is such a truly beautiful aircraft, i gave it a try again yesterday. 

 

One thing that i didnt know are the rad settings. I checked the forum history and a poster named Erhet gave a precious info :  45% oil, 60%water to reduce drag as much as possible whilst having decent cooling potential as long as you are fast ( something like 400+ kph or 250ish +mph). He also said that at 3k, you get 100 more hp from the engine.

 

 There was also another thing i didnt know : it is possible to reset the combat power timers. I admit i never had to do that in any other plane and didnt think it was possible.  But now it means that you can actually climb to 4-5k on combat power, switch to 75/75 throttle/rpm for continous during 5 minutes to reset combat power. Which is fine since higher up in a shallow dive you can get fairly fast and the P39 really need that altitude to convert into energy since it climbs worse than an overweight pelican on nominal power.

 

I am not sure that removing the wings .30 cals makes a significant difference ( if you dont fight at low speed or get dragged into prolonged or sustained manoeuvers), actually maybe it is better to be heavier when diving at high speed on someone. I like these guns a lot as they are good at setting things on fire or getting a pilot kill in deflection.

 

Still, the acceleration is really terrible, for me the biggest weakness of this plane (when trying to go from 250kph to 450kph, sadly the Cobra is really a slow crawler)compared to other VVS birds. If only they had put a slightly more powerful Merlin engine on it, this plane would be a lot better. I really want to love this plane, and make it work but i dont feel brave enough to fly it online yet, that is probably the most difficult plane to master in the sim so far.

Edited May 3, 2019 by Fennec

[BlitzPig_EL]

The original plan was that the P39 would have a turbocharged Allison, like the P38.  It was initially designed as a high altitude bomber interceptor, hence the heavy cannon in the nose.  The Air Corps however gave turbo priority to the P38, P47, and the heavy bombers, so that was the end of that.  Curtiss also wanted the turbo Allison for the P40.

[JonRedcorn]

42 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

The original plan was that the P39 would have a turbocharged Allison, like the P38.  It was initially designed as a high altitude bomber interceptor, hence the heavy cannon in the nose.  The Air Corps however gave turbo priority to the P38, P47, and the heavy bombers, so that was the end of that.  Curtiss also wanted the turbo Allison for the P40.

That's so disappointing, would of loved a high altitude p-39. Didn't the p-63 fix those issues? But nobody wanted it?

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

19 hours ago, JonRedcorn said:

That's so disappointing, would of loved a high altitude p-39. Didn't the p-63 fix those issues? But nobody wanted it?

The P-63 was a good improvement, but IIRC it wasn't as good as the P-51 so they didn't give priority to it.

[ACG_KaiLae]

On 5/3/2019 at 1:37 PM, Fennec said:

Still, the acceleration is really terrible, for me the biggest weakness of this plane (when trying to go from 250kph to 450kph

 

Ever get the feeling that someone hasn't read most of the thread he has posted in?

[Fennec]

1 hour ago, ACG_Kai_Lae said:

 

Ever get the feeling that someone hasn't read most of the thread he has posted in?

 

Errr... I don't think anyone talked about the P39 acceleration in the thread? Do you really have a different opinion on the matter or did you just want to give a lesson to someone? ?

 

I brought this up because it is actually the main weakness of the plane in my opinion... The only way to accelerate properly from low speed to medium or combat speed (following horizontal or vertical manoeuvers )  is to use emergency power and set up rads accordingly.  Doesnt help that the plane overheats fairly quickly in emergency depending your speed. 

 

It is nearly a 4 tons plane loaded with a moderately powerful engine and draggy wings. Compare that to a half a ton lighter Lavochkin with a more powerful engine or a Yak or a Messerschmitt..

 

I tried online, i tried offline... Very difficult to follow most planes during and after manoeuvering (which somehow bleeds a lot of energy in a 39, more so than in most other planes) in level flight , except maybe the 190's (still needs to be checked) .

 

It takes 5 minutes to check this. Set up a QMB, co alt at 1000 meters ,  4 P39L vs 4 Bf109G4 and try to catch up with them.. then you will understand what i am saying. It is possible btw but Good luck !

 

The thing is that in real life it had some advantages that cannot be given justice in game.  Having a great radio, having a heated cockpit in the harsh winter, having a quality tricycle gear very handy for improvised runways, having anti-icing defreezing device, having quality engine parts, good navigation system etc). 

 

In game we still have the main advantages like great firepower, metal airframe that can take more punishment and the very good diving characteristics of the plane, but even though the speed on the paper is okay,  the acceleration is unfortunately its main drawback and the number 1 reason why you don't want to have prolonged fights in this plane except maybe against a lone 190 in my experience. 

 

 

Edited May 5, 2019 by Fennec

[Sublime]

To do anything with it you need to know how to exert your will and also cajole trick and urge every ounce of energy from the plane and situation AND also be n above average shot at least - excellent if you want to cause trouble.  You really need to start putting planes down or at least kill your target/main threat or even if you manage you dogfight around and keep from getting shot some other plane will fly up to you circling aroumd at 180 mph and rake you.

People who complain about the P40 have no idea IMO... For all its faults that plane - again to me - feels like a sports car.

That said I really wonder if Im doing several minor things that add up wrong or something as often I cant keep up with the AI flights - not in all planes but say P39s its a total struggle and also when I see others fly it they manage to get a good amt more speed than me. And I dont mean squeezing 5 mph I mean 25 / 35 sometimes.  -shrug-

That really is a shame about the King cobrai desperately want to love the P39. She looks like she should be fast. She looks sexy. But shes got no personality and its all makeup (hehe)  i can only imagine what a the P61 would fly like in game with a nice great engine... 

Edited May 5, 2019 by Sublime

[ACG_KaiLae]

12 minutes ago, Fennec said:

 

Errr... I don't think anyone talked about the P39 acceleration in the thread? Do you really have a different opinion on the matter or did you just want to give a lesson to someone? ?

 

I brought this up because it is actually the main weakness of the plane in my opinion... The only way to accelerate properly from low speed to medium or combat speed (following horizontal or vertical manoeuvers )  is to use emergency power and set up rads accordingly.  Doesnt help that the plane overheats fairly quickly in emergency depending your speed. 

 

It is nearly a 4 tons plane loaded with a moderately powerful engine and draggy wings. Compare that to a half a ton lighter Lavochkin with a more powerful engine or a Yak or a Messerschmitt..

 

I tried online, i tried offline... Very difficult to follow most planes during and after manoeuvering (which somehow bleeds a lot of energy in a 39, more so than in most other planes) in level flight , except maybe the 190's (still needs to be checked) .

 

It takes 5 minutes to check this. Set up a QMB, co alt at 1000 meters ,  4 P39L vs 4 Bf109G4 and try to catch up with them.. then you will understand what i am saying. It is possible btw but Good luck !

 

The thing is that in real life it had some advantages that cannot be given justice in game.  Having a great radio, having a heated cockpit in the harsh winter, having a quality tricycle gear very handy for improvised runways, having anti-icing defreezing device, having quality engine parts, good navigation system etc). 

 

In game we still have the main advantages like great firepower, metal airframe that can take more punishment and the very good diving characteristics of the plane, but even though the speed on the paper is okay,  the acceleration is unfortunately its main drawback and the number 1 reason why you don't want to have prolonged fights in this plane except maybe against a lone 190 in my experience. 

 

 

 

If you''re measuring it on how long it will take to accelerate from 250 MPH to 450 MPH, you're going to be waiting a long time since the aircraft can only do 450 in a dive. 

[Fennec]

Ohhh now i understand why we may have disagreed on the subject of acceleration

 

I was talking in Kilometers per hour, not Miles per hour  Combat speed is significantly lower than top speeds, unless you are only bouncing with it and leave the area.

 

I have mental references when flying the plane ( 100 mph/160ish kph ; 200/320ish ; 250/400ish, 300/480ish), but i admit the metric system is so ingrained in my mind that i always think in kph. 

 

I agree with you Sublime, this plane really needs to be flown with your fingertips, trimming constantly, not going into high AoA to stay fast and try to squeeze every inch of speed and demonstrate excellent long range gunnery as it is often more difficult with this plane to punish tactical mistakes of your opponent due to the slow acceleration ( if you ever find yourself below 350-400 kph or 230-250ish mph during maneuvers) 

 

Still i love the plane somehow and fly this exclusively at the moment, it is really a challenge with it. Lately i noticed that by keeping 90 to 95 rpm max , 42'' of manifold i get more time in combat power without losing much speed. Actually maybe it is a placebo effect, but it "feels" that once i am over 350kph, i pick up speed quicker using 92-95% than 100% 3000 rpm.

 

Yet i cant help thinking that in real life they could probably push their engines for longer than what we can do in the sim. 

Edited May 5, 2019 by Fennec

[Sublime]

Golodnikovs lend lease interviews also mention they used a later versuon of tge P39 - they ditched the one we have as soon as a newer model was available.

Of course its not as if 1C chose the later model we.d be getting another 100 mph (160 km/h Fennec try the mental thing. Someone told me here - 80 km/h = 50 mph.  The P39 youre basically *always* at 200-250 mph..  Which is problematic as thats around the average speed I get on a 109 E7

[EAF19_Marsh]

Another rule of thmb is 60mph is 100 kph, which I use for driving here in Italy.

[Sublime]

13 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Another rule of thmb is 60mph is 100 kph, which I use for driving here in Italy.

Good one thank you.  You have an easy one for distance?  

[EAF19_Marsh]

1 minute ago, Sublime said:

Good one thank you.  You have an easy one for distance?  

 

Yep: don’t get close to Italian drivers.

[Sublime]

LOL

Youre on the ball today - go fly some MP you'll probably savage your enemies

Drivers here in Boston are pretty crazy however. We.re the only state in the US im aware of that people change its name into a curseword to fescribe the denizens = D m@ssholes

Edited May 5, 2019 by Sublime

[Guest deleted@134347]

key to good p39 performance in MP is:

a) fly at high altitude

b) dive on the enemy below you but do it before it passes underneath you so you have a chance to catch up and pull up regaining the E

c) don't engage K4 on the same altitude or even at .5k below, if the pilot is experienced he'll do couple of chandeliers and you're done

d) try to fly with a wingman, and if you see an enemy climbing away disengage, run, evasive maneuvers... etc..

 

in scissors you'll have the total advantage (learn to use flaps, trim) .. but in yo-yo's you'll get 1-2, maybe 3 passes max and again you're done..

[LP1888]

On 4/30/2019 at 5:24 PM, danielprates said:

 To me the worst charactetistic of the P39 is that it is such an unstable gun platform. You will try to bring the guns to bear on a target and the nose keeps bouncing all over the place.

 

... but then again, it's interesting nobody mentioned this.  Could this be a 'me' issue, like my joystick configs or something? Anybody else also thinks the P39 lacking in that respect?

I find it stable if you get rid of the 4xmachine guns plus you lose a fair bit of weight witch I find makes it handle and climb far better.

[MarderIV]

6 hours ago, LP1888 said:

I find it stable if you get rid of the 4xmachine guns plus you lose a fair bit of weight witch I find makes it handle and climb far better.

 

Didn't the Soviets do this frequently with the P-39? Could have sworn I read that somewhere.

[Fennec]

1 hour ago, MarderIV said:

 

Didn't the Soviets do this frequently with the P-39? Could have sworn I read that somewhere.

 

Yes I think i have read this a long time ago too, and that they also removed part of the armour which probably freed about 100kg of weight on top of it.

 

It surely gave it a tad better acceleration, climb and roll rate at the expense of survivability.

 

In the sim i dont like to remove the .30s despite the benefits because deflection shooting with the 30mm is quite a lottery ( for me) against small targets like 109's and there is not much ammo for the browning .50 cals. 

 

If you fly the Cobra like a fw-190 it should not make a massive difference though the improved roll rate is really nice when the plane is stripped of its .30s. 

 

Edited May 6, 2019 by Fennec

[Sublime]

11 hours ago, Rekt said:

One thing I've found to make a big difference in the P-39 is turning up the sensitivity of the pitch access to 20%...it doesn't bounce around nearly as much as with the 0% that I was running.

Really on your joy axis? Do you only do it for the P39? And its alot more stable shooting?  Thats a major issue I uave with it being a gun platform especially deflection shooting with it swaying all over the place. I need steadyness so my turn climbs over the enemies bodyuntil its out front and i start walking my rounds.  Thanks!

18 hours ago, MarderIV said:

 

Didn't the Soviets do this frequently with the P-39? Could have sworn I read that somewhere.

Yes almost as a rule. Also removed 2 .50s from the P40s we uave and in earlier ones all but 2 .50s according to Golodnikov

Edited May 6, 2019 by Sublime

[Sublime]

Lol i kniw it reads like a snarky correction but I didnt even notice the typo and was genuinely interested you had that going.

Now if I can only figure why the plane I was flying last night seemed terrible all the sudden, and also why it was swaying all over the damned place. I usually get a few AI let alone at least one. None at all AND shot down?  Yeah I rage quit =P

[Sublime]

I use the logitech 3d extreme pro. Poor mans hotas and rudders.

Still gonna try it. Dont feel bad I incessantly post on my phone even next to a computer.  I make grammar nazis heads explode

Cheers

[EAF19_Marsh]

I find most of the a/c need flattening of the axis curves as desk-top joysticks are generally too sensitive.

 

Not flown the Kobra in ages. Was it used at Kursk at all?

Edited May 7, 2019 by EAF19_Marsh

[Elem]

17 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

I find most of the a/c need flattening of the axis curves as desk-top joysticks are generally too sensitive.

 

Not flown the Kobra in ages. Was it used at Kursk at all?

Yep...

27 IAP also did well, converting to the P-39 in the spring of 1943 and using it during the battle of Kursk and the Soviet counter-attacks that followed.

http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_P-39_Airacobra_Soviet.html

[Sublime]

O/T but flying PWGC usinf 110 G2s.. I never used then otherwise because in career mode they use you as a night fighter.

 

In PWGC Sp theyre fun to fly.  Especially I like the centerline mounted 37mm!  It fits well because you dont need the convergence just right like a Stuka wirh the cannons.  I was scrubving missions for some A2A joy but next anti shipping mission Im all over. That cannon Im sure will be lethal.

The 110 really did find new ljfe in the east. The E version can be near helpless against zyaks and i16s it cant dogfight but given uber gunneru accuracy zi usually get a kill by flying pretty low. And the G2 has a double Mg like the stuka.  I was very pleased to see a pursuing Yak ( i tore through an A20 formation and downed all four in 1 pass. It was beautiful and I barely used any ammo.  Few shells and rounds apiece. If I see one engine died I move on. Plane nosedives I move on.  The 5th kill was me racing awY from the Yak escort - I got shot up bad by a 12.7 mm on the last bomber.

My gunner starts going to town and I looked behind me ( i remove the pilot armor in G2 for bettter vision) and had a lovely view of a flaming Yak pulling away and xrashing.  I LOVE catching my enemies engines on fire.

I wiah we.d see other fires though - like perhaps wing tanks on fire etc.

I also wonder if we.ll ever see drop y

Tanks.  Theres a famous gun cam film of a USAAF plane hitting a FW190s drop tank.. Which explodes spectacularly.

Ive seen other footage of planes where obviously a fuel tanks on fire as the wing is trailing flame3

[RedKestrel]

I spent a 'productive' night flying the P-39 on Combat Box last night. For reference, a productive night for me means a couple kills, some successful ground attack and getting shot down a lot. Basically every flight last night! There were a lot of skilled players on the server and very few people were flying the mid-war planes, so I was at a touch of disadvantage lol.

Harsh lessons are the best to learn from, and at least in a sim your 'death' doesn't signal the end of learning!

Some lessons from last night -they mostly correspond to what people are saying in this thread:

1. P-39's ability to dive well makes it a pretty effective hit and run bomber. Come in at relatively high alt, dive on the target at about 45 degrees, drop the bomb and extend. You can carry a lot of speed this way as long as you don't climb up (if you do any fighters in the area will kill you stone dead- ask me how I know!). This works best on large, high-value targets like ships or buildings. The biggest bomb you can carry (250 kg) doesnt have a big enough blast radius to kill a lot of scattered targets so pick a big one or a good concentration to hit. Extend at treetop level in a straight line after dodging flak, crank your engine up to emergency (slowly, so as not to blow the engine!) close your radiators to make use of high-speed cooling and increase your speed, and keep the ball centred to keep drag low. 

 

2. Emergency power in a slow turning fight is very nearly useless because you will start overheating and have to open your rads to keep temps down, thus losing speed. Start using emergency power as soon as you see the enemy, and shallow climb to get advantage if you can. A steeper climb might technically get you more 'E' but you spike your temperature with no easy way to dump it, and when the P-39 gets slow it stays slow for a loooonnng time. Engage at high speed and use your good instantaneous turn to get advantage as quickly as possible. Keep Emergency power on for the duration of the fight - if the fight lasts longer than your emergency time. you're probably going to lose anyway. Go for any shots you can get. If after more than a couple turns or maneuvers the enemy is gaining on you, or you're getting too slow, exit the fight in such a way that you gain significant separation  very quickly to discourage pursuit, and head for friendly territory. In a dive you can usually outpace your opponents if you start first, but if they're tenacious they'll just follow you until they catch you. As above, get drag as low as possible, extend in a straight line at the highest speed you can manage, and abuse the hell out of your engine to get as much separation and speed as possible. Head for home. On a long tail-chase on the deck, there's a better chance that a friend will come and bounce your pursuer while you flee, and if you get over a friendly target or airfield, there will be flak and friendly fighters who can assist you. The enemy may balk at following you into heavy flak on the deck.

3. When I fire on air targets, I fire with all guns. There's certainly logic to keeping the 37mm for a 'coup de grace' after an enemy is already damaged and slow, but in my fights it seemed I was only successful if I killed the enemy within the first thirty seconds to a minute of the engagement, and if I had saved the 37mm for a later opportunity I would have missed a couple of kill shots with it. In my opinion, its better to take the chance on a catastrophic kill from a cannon hit than to hope for a later opportunity that will never come. Someone who's a better pilot may find this wastes ammo that they could use for the next engagement, but that pilot is not me!

4. When strafing AA, I open up with all guns at a longer range than I normally would - the 37mm HE explosions often causes the gunners to scatter during the last stage of the attack, where AA usually tags me . Then you can get a nice, sure, close-up shot. I make these attacks in a dive while going pretty fast to increase stability. Generally attacking AA in the P-39 seems trickier because of the wobbliness and instability.

5. I usually take the wing guns now. Usually I'm flying the P-39 in late war scenarios where most people are flying aircraft that have massive advantages over me, so the marginal advantage of dumping the guns is usually not worth it - in a 1942 or 43 planeset, it's a different story. Having the extra  4 .30 cal helps for strafing soft targets and for getting scattershot hits on enemies that can cause a fuel or coolant leak. They do impact roll rate, stability, climb, and turn, but its a good trade off to me. 

 

[56RAF_Roblex]

1 hour ago, RedKestrel said:

3. When I fire on air targets, I fire with all guns. There's certainly logic to keeping the 37mm for a 'coup de grace' after an enemy is already damaged and slow, but in my fights it seemed I was only successful if I killed the enemy within the first thirty seconds to a minute of the engagement, and if I had saved the 37mm for a later opportunity I would have missed a couple of kill shots with it. In my opinion, its better to take the chance on a catastrophic kill from a cannon hit than to hope for a later opportunity that will never come. Someone who's a better pilot may find this wastes ammo that they could use for the next engagement, but that pilot is not me!

 

I agree,  mostly.  When I said I save the 37mm for  a coup de grace I meant I do not use the 37mm for low odds shots like long range or high deflection but if I have my target properly in my sights at or around convergence with low deflection then yes I hit him with everything I have in case I don't get another chance as good.

[RedKestrel]

1 hour ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

 

I agree,  mostly.  When I said I save the 37mm for  a coup de grace I meant I do not use the 37mm for low odds shots like long range or high deflection but if I have my target properly in my sights at or around convergence with low deflection then yes I hit him with everything I have in case I don't get another chance as good.

Ah, I see, that makes more sense. 

[Guest deleted@134347]

I love using 37mm for all head-on encounters with the axis.  The blue love HO's but underestimate the power of the properly placed 37mm ?

[56RAF_Roblex]

6 hours ago, Rekt said:

I've been practicing with this plane some more, and with a 20% sensitivity on my pitch axis I really like flying it. Super smooth, maneuvers well IMO. Not breaking any international level-speed records but I'm used to that by now LOL.

 

Slowly building up the courage to log back in and get torn up online.

 

I know what you mean.  I really want to fly it but have not worked out how to be effective in it yet.  I still keep trying though despite the lack of success.

[RedKestrel]

10 hours ago, Rekt said:

I've been practicing with this plane some more, and with a 20% sensitivity on my pitch axis I really like flying it. Super smooth, maneuvers well IMO. Not breaking any international level-speed records but I'm used to that by now LOL.

 

Slowly building up the courage to log back in and get torn up online.

Just do it! My entire online experience is getting torn up but I still have fun, and the occasional unlucky guy wanders past my gun sights while I'm pulling the trigger so it works out pretty well. When you're flying an underdog plane like the P-39 you can exploit any latent feelings of pity and/or mercy in your enemy.

That's also why I fly the I-16 whenever I can, that plane is too cute to shoot.

[Sublime]

20 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

Just do it! My entire online experience is getting torn up but I still have fun, and the occasional unlucky guy wanders past my gun sights while I'm pulling the trigger so it works out pretty well. When you're flying an underdog plane like the P-39 you can exploit any latent feelings of pity and/or mercy in your enemy.

That's also why I fly the I-16 whenever I can, that plane is too cute to shoot.

Hea right.  Sp gives you a feedvack loop that reinforces the wrong combat flying.  In SP i just turnfight everything. LOL. Worse? I win!

Im a straight victim online

 Tbh I havent been online in a few weeks for orher reasons.  That said the few kills I got online I remember vividly and were most gratifying. Sp is great for navigation learning deflection shooting and just playong the game for a game.

Online though.. Its a ton of fun.  Plus its sooo rewarding to kill a human.

I widnt exactly believe Red that hes a victim online

11 hours ago, Rekt said:

I've been practicing with this plane some more, and with a 20% sensitivity on my pitch axis I really like flying it. Super smooth, maneuvers well IMO. Not breaking any international level-speed records but I'm used to that by now LOL.

 

Slowly building up the courage to log back in and get torn up online.

At least you and red take that orbthe I16 up online. I wont do it.  Ill takd either an Allied plane I know I can fight in or revert to tbe Me109 gold standard. 

Worst comes to worst? Bf110 jabo lmao

[Sublime]

Better man than me

btw speaking of which. I shot a few regular mg rounds bt accident into a P40 lmy third MP session.  He didnt even smoke and instantly I apologized. This dude msgd me for 40 mins accussing me of doing it on purpose.lol .  smh.

sorry but a P40 DOES from 6 o clock slight low look sorta me109ish especially closing very fast. 

still couldnt believe dude spent 45 min haranguing me on chat when - he flew on and got kills. I stopped shooting almost instantly. Apologized first.

Smh. The pitfalls of MP. I wish sometimes I could turn off the txt chat or have it like dcs as a little icon that i have to hit a button for the window to appear

this would also help ppl like me with less money and no headset who need to use txt sometimes and get bersted by ppl saying "stay off the chat!!!"  At least make the beep optional so they cant complain

Edited May 8, 2019 by Sublime

[RedKestrel]

2 hours ago, Sublime said:

Better man than me

btw speaking of which. I shot a few regular mg rounds bt accident into a P40 lmy third MP session.  He didnt even smoke and instantly I apologized. This dude msgd me for 40 mins accussing me of doing it on purpose.lol .  smh.

sorry but a P40 DOES from 6 o clock slight low look sorta me109ish especially closing very fast. 

still couldnt believe dude spent 45 min haranguing me on chat when - he flew on and got kills. I stopped shooting almost instantly. Apologized first.

Smh. The pitfalls of MP. I wish sometimes I could turn off the txt chat or have it like dcs as a little icon that i have to hit a button for the window to appear

this would also help ppl like me with less money and no headset who need to use txt sometimes and get bersted by ppl saying "stay off the chat!!!"  At least make the beep optional so they cant complain

I'm on chat quite a lot and dont get much in the way of complaints - most of the time people are wanting/demanding more communication and coordination, and since I don't have a headset its my only option. I've had great success using the chat to coordinate ad hoc air cover and attacks. I guess it can be pretty annoying to hear the beeps, but I barely notice them anymore. I guess if people bugged me about it I'd lay off.

Of all the allies aircraft in the sim, the P-40 looks the most like a 109. The wing shape is a little suggestive of the axis designs - I usually ID german planes by how skinny and squared off they look compared to the soviets, the P-40 looks more 'chunky' than a 109 even at a distance. This is going to get worse once we get the P-51 in the sim I think,  a lot of people are going to be mixing those up with 109s as well, and there will be more of them flying.

I've been hit by friendly fire, even killed once or twice. I've accidentally shot an ally in a head on once after mis-identifying him and thinking HE was coming for ME. A simple apology was all I needed to give or receive. Some people I guess are just really competitive or they have to deal with griefers a lot so they over-react. People need to remember that its just a game and after getting killed like 10 times we can stand up and go grab a beer/wine/shot/beverage of our choice and chill. Nobody's dying for real in this thing, it pays to be forgiving.
 

[Guest deleted@134347]

4 hours ago, Sublime said:

Better man than me

btw speaking of which. I shot a few regular mg rounds bt accident into a P40 lmy third MP session.  He didnt even smoke and instantly I apologized. This dude msgd me for 40 mins accussing me of doing it on purpose.lol .  smh.

sorry but a P40 DOES from 6 o clock slight low look sorta me109ish especially closing very fast. 

still couldnt believe dude spent 45 min haranguing me on chat when - he flew on and got kills. I stopped shooting almost instantly. Apologized first.

Smh. The pitfalls of MP. I wish sometimes I could turn off the txt chat or have it like dcs as a little icon that i have to hit a button for the window to appear

this would also help ppl like me with less money and no headset who need to use txt sometimes and get bersted by ppl saying "stay off the chat!!!"  At least make the beep optional so they cant complain

 

an honest mistake, I'm sure..  In my experience p40 looks like a 109 from a wing profile but not from dead 6. The wings are way too short and it's way too chubby..

 

I do, however, confuse Spits from 12 or 6 for 109's...  that's even more upsetting.. spits are slim with huge thing wings.. waay too close to 109. ?

[RedKestrel]

13 minutes ago, bombdetere said:

 

an honest mistake, I'm sure..  In my experience p40 looks like a 109 from a wing profile but not from dead 6. The wings are way too short and it's way too chubby..

 

I do, however, confuse Spits from 12 or 6 for 109's...  that's even more upsetting.. spits are slim with huge thing wings.. waay too close to 109. ?

ID'ing from straight 6 or 12 is the hardest IMO. I usually need to get a sense of the profile in some way to tell planes apart.

[Sublime]

44 minutes ago, bombdetere said:

 

an honest mistake, I'm sure..  In my experience p40 looks like a 109 from a wing profile but not from dead 6. The wings are way too short and it's way too chubby..

 

I do, however, confuse Spits from 12 or 6 for 109's...  that's even more upsetting.. spits are slim with huge thing wings.. waay too close to 109. ?

It totally was. Im not gonna spend 15 minutes climbing to height then firing a very short burst that didnt even do systems damage to his plane - IMMEDIATELY ceased fire because I saw the FF txt.  So yes it was a mistake - why would I do that and then stop? I thought it odd I apologized first yet the guy spent more time arguing on how I must uave had a nefarious plan to hit his P40s wing with 8-15 7.92 mg rnds that did nothing even though I didnt know him. I honestly dont know how he kept flying. 

Ironically he called for help and I rushed and got dragged into helping him alone against 4 lufties AND HE STILL WAS TALKING TRASH. I didnt have time to type and dogfight lol he did. I ended up getting killed too, and he didnt. Smh.

Oh well.  I was very new then. I rarely get FF but it does happen (well give I mean) if Im unsure I wont blaze Ill pull off.. im nowhere near good but In good enough now that if that situation was replayed his P40 would have been crippled and soon to die if not dead. 

Ty tho ?

34 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

ID'ing from straight 6 or 12 is the hardest IMO. I usually need to get a sense of the profile in some way to tell planes apart.

Ill tell you I distinctly remember the plane just being dark af just like a silhouette card (sun was probably at 10 or 1 dont recall) but the rear elevators were a tad high JUST like a 109.  Thats why I 'tickled' him. His argument was Im a forrest gump wanna be because a p40 looks like nothing axis ever..