IL2 COD BLITZ vr support when?

[I.JG3_CDRSEABEE]

MS2020 has already been working with HP G2. It is going VR. See MRTV YouTube channel. 

[Dagwoodyt]

58 minutes ago, CDRSEABEE said:

MS2020 has already been working with HP G2. It is going VR. See MRTV YouTube channel. 

Thanks for updating me on FS2020 VR implementation. I watched the MRTV vid  to about 3/4 thru. Looks like MS is already "gaming" the system.

[simfan2015]

3 hours ago, -332FG-Buddy said:

but it is impossible, for me, to go back to flat screen from VR....... i cant do it

I keep reading this more and more, even for DCS and other sim / gaming genres as well !

I see no reason not to get the new HP Reverb G2 asap myself for IL-2, DCS and MS 2020 (once it is out)  ... what do we have to loose to try it 

The G2 resale value will be great anyway ? !

[-332FG-Buddy]

1 hour ago, simfan2015 said:

I keep reading this more and more, even for DCS and other sim / gaming genres as well !

I see no reason not to get the new HP Reverb G2 asap myself for IL-2, DCS and MS 2020 (once it is out)  ... what do we have to loose to try it 

The G2 resale value will be great anyway ? !

I hear the G2 is going to b e amazing... its going to require a strong system but like i said the generation of VR i have is amazing... the immersion for me takes things to a new level....im upgrading my system at the end of this year and going g2..... also i think the il2 Cliffs of Dover community will grow a bit (jmaybe not much but a bit) with VR implementation.  a good number of players from my group will play it and i also hear others say they will as well if its not for a good plane set (BOB) or the more fidelity model over Great battles.  just my opinion 

 

[simfan2015]

This new HP Reverb ... G2 will surely require a new PC system ... in my case anyway !

I guess only the rumoured RTX 3090 will do the G2 true justice (90 Hz) at it's higest res in DCS !?

Tobruk VR may prove to be a bit less demanding ... who knows ?

Edited August 1, 2020 by simfan2015

[[-=BP=-]Slegawsky_VR]

23 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

This new HP Reverb ... G2 will surely require a new PC system ... in my case anyway !

I guess only the rumoured RTX 3090 will do the G2 true justice (90 Hz) at it's higest res in DCS !?

Tobruk VR may prove to be a bit less demanding ... who knows ?

RTX2070S with Ryzen7 will run Reverb just fine. 

Launch of G2 will hopefully make monitor users move to VR, therefore more VR support from devs.

[Dagwoodyt]

53 minutes ago, [Pb]Slegawsky_VR said:

RTX2070S with Ryzen7 will run Reverb just fine. 

Launch of G2 will hopefully make monitor users move to VR, therefore more VR support from devs.

My understanding is that the G2 has the same screen resolution as the G1, but with better feature set and (hopefully) greater reliability than the original. Not sure that constitutes the "great leap forward" some seem to expect.

[[-=BP=-]Slegawsky_VR]

Better lenses and higher quality cable among many improvements and trust me, your eyes will not see the pixels either.

 

[simfan2015]

1 hour ago, [Pb]Slegawsky_VR said:

RTX2070S with Ryzen7 will run Reverb just fine.

Indeed ... but probably only for IL-2 and other well optimized titles.

But AFAIK not for e.g. the DCS Channel map where you sure can't get 90 FPS (or close to it) with existing rigs !?

For that I would love to get a next-gen system that is also somewhat future-proof (if that is even remotely possible, especially for 2k/4k VR)

[Eisenfaustus]

10 hours ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

Kind of a strange situation. VR people say they won't buy if no VR, TFS has said VR comes if enough sales. So do VR people wait that others pay for their wanted feature and only after that hop on?

So in your opinion VR only players should buy a non VR product before implementation has even been decided with the risk it may never come?
 

Some will probably do so - but I am not waiting for others to pay for my feature. Others pay for a propably great 2d sim and I will happily pay for a great VR sim should it become one. I will not pay for a game I am not going to play. I can‘t find anything strange about this consumer decision of mine.

[MiGCap]

On 8/2/2020 at 11:31 PM, Eisenfaustus said:

So in your opinion VR only players should buy a non VR product before implementation has even been decided with the risk it may never come?
 

Some will probably do so - but I am not waiting for others to pay for my feature. Others pay for a propably great 2d sim and I will happily pay for a great VR sim should it become one. I will not pay for a game I am not going to play. I can‘t find anything strange about this consumer decision of mine.

 

+1!

[ZachariasX]

On 8/1/2020 at 11:31 PM, Eisenfaustus said:

So in your opinion VR only players should buy a non VR product before implementation has even been decided with the risk it may never come?

We have a niche product. Unless the same customer base buys the same product over and over, no developer can produce content (at that pace) as it is not possible to have some sort of steady revenue, a conditio sine qua non to stay in business.

 

What you get from buying the same over and over is that the same ol’ that you‘re buying in fact gets better and better, as work is done on it over time.

 

If the existing customer base decides to not buy the upcoming release for whatever reason, development stops and programers lose their job as there is not enough cash to remain in business. Or do you think they have enough cash to bridge pay for a dozen noses for a year?

 

The alternative to what we have now is a subscription model a la Adobe. The only difference of that to what we have now is that player base would instantly shrink to the number of players that fly regularly minus the (few) ones that don‘t do subscriptions out of sheer principle. But not only Adobe demonstrates every day that in fact you CAN put an obscene mountain of turd on the customer and still do good business.

 

If we were to not buy the new products „because I don‘t get exactly what I want“, then the publishers decision is between subscription and chapter 11. Which one would you try first?

 

If you like combat sims, then you spend what you can (certainly not more!) and then you have one, two or whatever number of products, starting with the ones you like most. How much you reasonably can spend is only your decision and you don‘t have to give an explanation for how much that is. Any $ is good. 

[simfan2015]

27 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

The alternative to what we have now is a subscription model a la Adobe.

This can work for Adobe and probably MS FS2020 but not much more I guess.

If I read all that is added in Version 5 it clearly is no ordinary DLC (as it is described in Steam) but a new game.

There sure seems to be *much more* to this than going from something like FIFA 18 to 19, Doom whetever to Doom Eternal etc etc.

In fact if I look at the new planes I would have even expected it to be split over a new map -as well as- several warbird DLCs like seperating bombing, A2A, attack etc.

About VR ... that too would, IMHO, warrant a complete new game (or at least DLC).

For me this was a day 1 purchase (BTW I am quite sure I have beaten most people here to that ... Tobruk Steam ... 'order' button :-))   

 

I plan on going the VR road too, but ... couldn't resist !

 

Good luck TFS and succes. 

[DD_Arthur]

40 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

If I read all that is added in Version 5 it clearly is no ordinary DLC (as it is described in Steam) but a new game.

 

Please point us to all that you have read that makes it seem like a new sim.  So far all we have been shown is a new map and new planes.

 

That's great but TFS seem to have been very shy when it comes to talking about bug fixes, updating the gui, ai behaviour and fixing long broken features generally. 

[Dagwoodyt]

18 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

Please point us to all that you have read that makes it seem like a new sim.  So far all we have been shown is a new map and new planes.

 

That's great but TFS seem to have been very shy when it comes to talking about bug fixes, updating the gui, ai behaviour and fixing long broken features generally. 

Exactly! What would be the point of VR if the base game is a source of frustration?

[simfan2015]

55 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

So far all we have been shown is a new map and new planes.

Exactly !

That might or should be called DLC (by definition?) because it is indeed downloadable content for base game CloD Blitz.

But let's take ... DCS.

Everything you buy there consists -at most- of 1 map and/or 1 plane ... nothing more than that.

This 'DLC' gets us a new map + oh so many new warbirds, vehicles, ships, upgrades to the engine, bug fixes, new DM, new clouds and weather ...

I got this info a.o. from their TFS/version 5 YouTube channel (as many others here too I guess).

In that regard, I personally, consider this -by my definition- to be far more than 'ONE' DLC. 

It all depends on what we expect and I was delighted at the time to learn a game/sim I loved ... CloD Blitz at least was not abandonned ... on the contrary  ! 

Now of course, as always, YMMV and this might always be a DUD (to you, hope not), dunno of course, but I have great expectations towards this new release be it called 'DLC' or whatever.

So I Guess that I will soon ... be very busy, hopin'  ... to be proven right (at least for once :-)).

[Dagwoodyt]

35 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

Exactly !

That might or should be called DLC (by definition?) because it is indeed downloadable content for base game CloD Blitz.

But let's take ... DCS.

Everything you buy there consists -at most- of 1 map and/or 1 plane ... nothing more than that.

This 'DLC' gets us a new map + oh so many new warbirds, vehicles, ships, upgrades to the engine, bug fixes, new DM, new clouds and weather ...

I got this info a.o. from their TFS/version 5 YouTube channel (as many others here too I guess).

In that regard, I personally, consider this -by my definition- to be far more than 'ONE' DLC. 

It all depends on what we expect and I was delighted at the time to learn a game/sim I loved ... CloD Blitz at least was not abandonned ... on the contrary  ! 

Now of course, as always, YMMV and this might always be a DUD (to you, hope not), dunno of course, but I have great expectations towards this new release be it called 'DLC' or whatever.

So I Guess that I will soon ... be very busy, hopin'  ... to be proven right (at least for once :-)).

In a few days we will see what has been "fixed". The beauty of it all is that there is no need to buy anything if we already have Blitz. If all you are looking for is an online game refresh even "fixes" to the base game might not be relevant.

[ZachariasX]

I was always extremely critical of the whole idea in doing further work on CloD after how that turned out. Yet TF delivered. If they didn‘t work on the game itself and the things that never worked, well, that was their chance. I don‘t see much point in adding content when not mending some undelying issues. So I gave them the benefit of the doubt.

[DD_Arthur]

2 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

This 'DLC' gets us .......upgrades to the engine, bug fixes, new DM, new clouds and weather ...

 

Er....I've seen no evidence of any of this so far. 

 

[simfan2015]

Dd_Arthur, Afaik those features were promised in those YouTube videos. BTW by 'engine' I meant... game engine, not aircraft engine and fuel management. 

[Trooper117]

Not long now... I'm just going to fly the shit out of it!

Not because it's Clod, not because it hasn't got VR, and not because I'm a TF fanboi... it's because at last, someone has put the WWII aviation battle into the North African theatre! 

[YoYo]

Finally I decided to buy Tobruk addon - but not to fly, I fly VR only so Blitz/Tobruk still not for me (it was before on my favorite TOP sim list - with Track IR only for sure) BUT I hope they will improve this sims for VR soon as it possible. So here is the reason to buy it.

 

Just for future support of VR and support Blitz Team to say "thank you". 

 

 

I hope we will recive VR mode also. 

I cant imagine Today's sim without VR support.

Edited August 6, 2020 by YoYo

[simfan2015]

Me too YoYo, I don't have VR yet (only TrackIr 5), but decided to only buy sims with VR support from now on because I will (have to) get VR asap ... HP Reverb G2.

However, I also made an exception to my "own rule: I did buy Tobruk on day 1 anyway because I like CloD Blitz and hope to support the TF Devs so they have the means to truly implement VR by (hopefully) next year ! 

Edited August 6, 2020 by simfan2015

[Zoltann]

Same here.

 

No VR= No go. Sort off.

 

Its just not possible to go back.

 

I did pre-order after thinking about it tough.

TF deserves max boost, and at least a chance to implement VR.

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

Ok....... I admit it,

Have bought Desert Wings Tobruk with fingers, toes, arms, legs and eyes crossed in the hope VR makes an appearance in the near future.

 

All these crossed appendages, most likely explain why I am such a poor pilot........... 

 

 

 

   

Edited August 6, 2020 by RAAF492SQNOz_Steve
punctuation error

[Dagwoodyt]

Too many game "bugs" for VR to happen. Nevertheless Blitz/DWT is a landmark achievement for the CFS game industry in that Jason & Co. recognized the benefits of providing 1C source code to TF thereby resurrecting their own company's game engine that had otherwise been destined for the game engine scrapyard. I have no doubt that forum discussions helped foster that recognition so it is a win-win for everyone.

[Varibraun]

33 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Too many game "bugs" for VR to happen.

 

This will make me very sad if true. 

 

However, I still will not regret my purchase to support this team for all their hard work and dedication to our hobby over these years - even if I never fly it due to the lack of VR.

[Dagwoodyt]

32 minutes ago, Varibraun said:

 

This will make me very sad if true. 

 

However, I still will not regret my purchase to support this team for all their hard work and dedication to our hobby over these years - even if I never fly it due to the lack of VR.

I need to see if there are any meaningful improvements to Blitz before considering DWT. BTW desert in DTW looks incredibly featureless in the clips I've seen. IDK if it would look any better in VR. Makes me appreciate Blitz more.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

Desert is quite a featureless place thus getting lost is more than easy there. North-Africa is not really an oasis either but rather barren and rocky. Quite many memoirs tell how they hated the sand going everywhere and the heat. Not to mention other things like malaria, poisonous creatures etc. So a welcome break from channel or eastern steppes as a theatre. And never modelled properly before. 

Edited August 6, 2020 by LLv34_Flanker

[Dagwoodyt]

44 minutes ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

S! 

 

Desert is quite a featureless place thus getting lost is more than easy there. North-Africa is not really an oasis either but rather barren and rocky. Quite many memoirs tell how they hated the sand going everywhere and the heat. Not to mention other things like malaria, poisonous creatures etc. So a welcome break from channel or eastern steppes as a theatre. And never modelled properly before. 

I don't think of deserts as being "featureless". That one can quite easily get lost in one is a given. That featureless terrain helps frame rate is no doubt a plus.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Dagwoodyt

[javelina]

I was so close to pulling the trigger...  had been away from the whole CloD scene for a while.  Then it dawned on me, I should check if this has VR support...  Unfortunately, I can't fly pancake mode anymore.  I've been in VR for 2.5 years.  No going back.  So I backed off on the buy.

 

I do congratulate TF for all of their efforts nonetheless.  Outstanding job on their part!!

[Blast]

No VR, No Fly and no buy... Can't wait for VR support! I'll be back in a year to check. As for you sissies that fly pancake and have VR, smh.

[Zoltann]

15 hours ago, Varibraun said:

 

This will make me very sad if true. 

 

However, I still will not regret my purchase to support this team for all their hard work and dedication to our hobby over these years - even if I never fly it due to the lack of VR.

 

Truth is, he doesnt know either on VR.

 

Wait and see. May take quiet some time, but I am optimistic.

[CptTrips]

On Wolfpack345's stream today, one of the TF dev's was on with him and said VR isn't targeted until Winter 2021.  

More clouds is the next priority.  Seriously?

 

I find that very disappointing.

 

 

Edited August 9, 2020 by CptTrips

[69thSpiritus]

17 minutes ago, CptTrips said:

On Wolfpack345's stream today, one of the TF dev's was on with him and said VR isn't targeted until Winter 2021.  

More clouds is the next priority.  Seriously?

 

I find that very disappointing.

 

 

 

Implementation of the new weather system and new clouds is the first element we will be finishing, is was hoped we could get it done for the release but it wasn't. That will come first.

 

Regarding VR, it is too early to tell. If DWT is successful, then yes we will  begin working on that. We don't know this yet so no target date either. 

[CptTrips]

3 minutes ago, 69thSpiritus said:

Regarding VR, it is too early to tell. If DWT is successful, then yes we will  begin working on that. We don't know this yet so no target date either. 

 

 

So maybe over another year away; maybe not at all.

 

Very disappointing.  

 

[69thSpiritus]

1 minute ago, CptTrips said:

 

 

So maybe over another year away; maybe not at all.

 

Very disappointing.  

 

 

Or maybe a year away, or maybe less. It is impossible to say anything about VR right now except that we want to do it, but it depends on if we are successful with DWT. 

[simfan2015]

AFAIK... TF was always honest, also about... VR. I, personally, will not even be too disappointed (will get the hp reverb g2 before end 2020) if VR implementation never happens. VR is not in the feature list of Tobruk (yet), so we knew what we got and what not. But as everyone I hope Tobruk will prove a major success for TF... as it should be! 

 

[=WoVi=cercataa]

I'm not disappointed, but I only fly on VR now, so I'm not gonna expend 60$ on a product where VR is not their priority, until it has at least some basic VR implementation

 

Good luck with the project

Edited August 9, 2020 by =SFF=_cercataa

[CptTrips]

3 hours ago, =SFF=_cercataa said:

I'm not disappointed, but I only fly on VR now, so I'm not gonna expend 60$ on a product where VR is not their priority, until it has at least some basic VR implementation

 

Good luck with the project

 

Like you I find it very hard to tolerate anything not VR enabled. It's not 2010 anymore.  

 

I should have waited until I saw clear evidence that VR support was being actively worked on.  

I thought it would be the hot item worked on right after initial release and I could just start getting to know the planes and engine management and such while waiting.  

If I had realized it was "over a year away" or "maybe not at all", I might have just stuck with the Dover upgrade and waited to see.

 

Then again I pre-paid for Battlefield V sight unseen, so you would think I'd learned my lesson. ?

 

I'm sure the clouds will be awesome.