Whats rhe difference between the ... (Spit mk V)

[Sublime]

Merlin engine with and without the modification? Obviously (?) The mod engines better?

[=621=Samikatz]

Supercharger gearing basically, look at the specs thread:

 

 

Merlin 46 engine:

 

Maximum true air speed at sea level, 3000 RPM, boost +9: 457 km/h

Maximum true air speed at sea level, 3000 RPM, boost +16: 515 km/h

Maximum true air speed at 7400 m, 3000 RPM, boost +9: 597 km/h

Maximum true air speed at 5000 m, 3000 RPM, boost +16: 604 km/h

 

Merlin 45 engine:

 

Maximum true air speed at sea level, 3000 RPM, boost +9: 480 km/h

Maximum true air speed at sea level, 3000 RPM, boost +16: 535 km/h

Maximum true air speed at 6000 m, 3000 RPM, boost +9: 590 km/h

Maximum true air speed at 3500 m, 3000 RPM, boost +16: 596 km/h

 

For most engagements the Merlin 45 is probably better, but the 46 has its place

[Sublime]

But... Which is the modded one? It doesnt say that i see?

[RedKestrel]

The Merlin 46 is the modded engine. It’s better at very high altitudes, the standard engine is better at middle to low alts. The 45 engine is going to be best in most of the situations you find yourself in in this game.

 

[MiloMorai]

22 minutes ago, Sublime said:

But... Which is the modded one? It doesnt say that i see?

 

I think it would be natural to conclude that the 46 is the modified engine as 45 comes before 46.

[HBPencil]

28 minutes ago, Sublime said:

But... Which is the modded one? It doesnt say that i see?

 

21 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

The Merlin 46 is the modded engine.

 

The Merlin 45 can be selected from the modifications list (ergo it is the 'modded' engine), so if it isn't selected then the Merlin 46 is used by default (which makes sense as historically the majority of Soviet lend/lease Vb's had the 46).

Edited April 7, 2019 by HBPencil

[ShamrockOneFive]

4 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

 

I think it would be natural to conclude that the 46 is the modified engine as 45 comes before 46.

 

Other way around. Both engines came "at the same time" and the 46 was meant for higher altitudes and the 45 for lower. The 46 was installed in the majority of the Spitfire Vb's sent to the Soviet Union. Only a few had the Merlin 45.

 

Practically speaking, the 45 is better, but historically speaking you were more likely to fly with the 46 in it. The 45 is the "modified" engine which isn't exactly the right term but there it is

[RNAS10_Oliver]

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historically speaking you were more likely to fly with the 46 in it

 

Unless you were in the RN. Just because the M46 engine was used on just 9 of the 166 second-hand airframes that were converted from Spitfire Vb to Seafire Ib. At least according to the data available from Spitfire Production Site. Same thing it seems for those that were not converted to Seafire but just became "hooked" Spitfires, most using the M45 engine, again same source.

Edited April 8, 2019 by Oliver88

[CrazyDuck]

In simple words - in game environment the default installation is Merlin 46, with the modded engine option being the Merlin 45. Tick this mod always when you do not expect to go to the highest altitudes. 

 

However, at the end of the day, the difference is not really all that great - M45 gives you about 10-20 kph more speed on the ground, the M46 gives you roughly the same bonus at high altitudes. That's a few percent only.

[Diggun]

This is good to know. I've been flying the vb 'unmodded' since release, and have found some axis fighters able to comfortably pull away in some situations. That extra 20 kph could certainly keep some of them in effective gun range long enough for an extra burst or so...

 

I do love the vb, she looks amazing and flies like a dream, but you certainly feel the cannon ammo shortage when you have been flying the ixe for a while... 

Edited April 8, 2019 by Diggun

[dburne]

27 minutes ago, Diggun said:

This is good to know. I've been flying the vb 'unmodded' since release, and have found some axis fighters able to comfortably pull away in some situations. That extra 20 kph could certainly keep some of them in effective gun range long enough for an extra burst or so...

 

I do love the vb, she looks amazing and flies like a dream, but you certainly feel the cannon ammo shortage when you have been flying the ixe for a while... 

 

Oh yeah definitely got to be on the conservative side with the cannons in the Vb.

[Sublime]

13 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

 

I think it would be natural to conclude that the 46 is the modified engine as 45 comes before 46.

Yes but in game selecting plane modifications it just says "merlin engine"

Thats why i asked

13 hours ago, HBPencil said:

 

The Merlin 45 can be selected from the modifications list (ergo it is the 'modded' engine), so if it isn't selected then the Merlin 46 is used by default (which makes sense as historically the majority of Soviet lend/lease Vb's had the 46).

Ah see this is exactly my point. So if I DONT select the field mod engine my performance will suffer since this all almost always goes down below 15k in the Ost Front?

[Diggun]

2 hours ago, dburne said:

Oh yeah definitely got to be on the conservative side with the cannons in the Vb.

On the plus side, it does teach you to really believe in convergence...

[-TBC-AeroAce]

2 hours ago, dburne said:

 

Oh yeah definitely got to be on the conservative side with the cannons in the Vb.

 

That is an understatement. 

[Trooper117]

I find it does the job... very short burst, no spray and pray.

I get good hits with the mg's then switch to cannon to finish off.

Remember, you can always withdraw and rtb.

[Sublime]

So since it doesnt carrybombs I guess I should cave and assign an MG and cannon button?  I like firing them all at once though but... Yeah maybe I should change.. Or just be very careful shooting

[dburne]

1 minute ago, Sublime said:

So since it doesnt carrybombs I guess I should cave and assign an MG and cannon button?  I like firing them all at once though but... Yeah maybe I should change.. Or just be very careful shooting

 

I assign my cannons and MG separately. I do not like firing them together as I find they do not always hit the same area I am targeting.

Also depends on the enemy AI I am targeting , bombers I find I can be fairly successfull with the machine guns, fighters I am much better handling them with the 

cannons - very short bursts at a time. I try to conserve my cannons for the fighters I come across.

[Sublime]

Well im gonna for the spit.  However for say.. An FW or Yak Id have them fire all once. Same with a 109.  The Spit Im wary becayse those Mgs are puny but maybe for deflection shooting and blast em with the cannons when I get a sure shot.

Funny you said that youd think bombers would be cannon fighters MG. Imagine if we could switch the .303s to .50s.. Sigh.  Those 12.7s or 50s absolutely wreak havoc on crewmembers in bombers and Ive had snapshots that showed no appreciable damage yet the plane snap rolls into the ground.  Thats a .50 cal round slamming into the pilot Im pretty sure

(yak7b cannon ammo gone..)

[ShamrockOneFive]

9 hours ago, Oliver88 said:

 

Unless you were in the RN. Just because the M46 engine was used on just 9 of the 166 second-hand airframes that were converted from Spitfire Vb to Seafire Ib. At least according to the data available from Spitfire Production Site. Same thing it seems for those that were not converted to Seafire but just became "hooked" Spitfires, most using the M45 engine, again same source.

 

You're right. I was talking about VVS service only

 

27 minutes ago, Sublime said:

Well im gonna for the spit.  However for say.. An FW or Yak Id have them fire all once. Same with a 109.  The Spit Im wary becayse those Mgs are puny but maybe for deflection shooting and blast em with the cannons when I get a sure shot.

Funny you said that youd think bombers would be cannon fighters MG. Imagine if we could switch the .303s to .50s.. Sigh.  Those 12.7s or 50s absolutely wreak havoc on crewmembers in bombers and Ive had snapshots that showed no appreciable damage yet the plane snap rolls into the ground.  Thats a .50 cal round slamming into the pilot Im pretty sure

(yak7b cannon ammo gone..)

 

Depending on your stick, I'd try and get a "machine gun only" option that's easy for you to reach for. On my Gladiator, because its a single stage trigger only, I have that as "full guns" and I have a pinky button that I use as a shift key that switches the trigger to machine gun only. I tend to use the machine guns in the Spitfire if I'm in a turn and I want to narrow down my deflection solution before giving a very short burst of the cannons.

 

The Hispano 20mm hit hard enough (muzzle velocity kinetic energy over chemical energy with those) that only a few hits is all that it takes commonly.

[Sublime]

I have a logitech extreme 3d pro

No pedals headset nada.

When emplpyment situations fixed Im getting VR, a HOTAS and headset, the F14 module for the other game and bfinishing out Il2s stuff. Also I wanna biy some n00bs a game or two of this.

Right now beadsetd a priority but I heard you can get regular earbuds with a mic to work now. Gonna mess with tbat.

Second is VR - used is 150. Im awful at spotting worse online.  Idk if VR will fiz it but it WILL make the game WAAAY more immersive and naturally easier to track enemy planes..

Im basically done with DCS but Im an 80s baby and I ... Need.. That.. f14...

But otherwise

Headset

Vr

Maybe hotas or fill out games (especially bodenplatte)

F14

Buying a couple of il2 ganes for newbies who need it.

This will take awile I have a kid but I have time. Eventually someone will hire my dumbass. I hope ?

 

Also soo im assuming weapon group 1 is all 2 is what cannons or MGs? 

F it Ill just find out doing a QM

[dburne]

13 minutes ago, Sublime said:

I have a logitech extreme 3d pro

No pedals headset nada.

When emplpyment situations fixed Im getting VR, a HOTAS and headset, the F14 module for the other game and bfinishing out Il2s stuff. Also I wanna biy some n00bs a game or two of this.

 

 

Be aware, getting VR is a huge game changer and can be quite addictive in motivating one to spend lots of moolah on equipment to run it as best as possible.

Used to be I was quite happy with a mediocre machine and GPU.

Not any more LOL.

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

45 optimised lower, 46 optimised higher.

 

The .303s are getting a bit weak by ‘43, but do have some use to worry a fighter target. The 20mm are great but while you have double a 109 fire-power you get half the firing time.

 

Though she is very pretty.

[Sublime]

1 hour ago, dburne said:

 

Be aware, getting VR is a huge game changer and can be quite addictive in motivating one to spend lots of moolah on equipment to run it as best as possible.

Used to be I was quite happy with a mediocre machine and GPU.

Not any more LOL.

 

Thats why it shot to my #1 even over a headset which in this day and age is laughable and Im dating myself.

However I havent personally but Ive seen others reactions and flight sims are PERFECT for vr because youre sitting in a plane.  I saw a oculus rift used for 150 and that sealed it. When I find a job Ill buy it.  Why? Besixes spotting and maybe hell itll get worse - the why though is because EVERY FLIGHT SIM I own will be like a new game for me.  Even flying worn out old planes I never take around anymore will ve a new experience 

Its what I spent my childhood in the 80s/90s dreaming of.

[EAF19_Marsh]

VR is beautiful, but beware the resolution loss. VR vs, Track IR is usually in the latter’s favour for now.

[Sublime]

Well ill take the vr for the immersion ajd play SP. Oh well.

I mean.. Maybe the resolution loss eill help.. I vaguely remember hearing lower resolition makes spotting easier.. I mever turned mine down. I did some other stuff but was wary unless I had specific instructilns because spotting is a major problem for me

Nevertheless to be able to look around a plane with my head and only see what my in gsme pilot sees? Id take Il2 46 graphics for that.. Lol again if you played say European Air War etc in the 90s we were promised this "in the next couple of years" its only been about 20 but now finally the problem is just 150 dollars away

thanks tho