Tank crew Smoke Dischargers

[216th_Peterla]

Hi gents,

Looking in the search engine for smoke discharges but can't find anything.

Are they modeled? How to use them if they are?

Thanks for the answer and if they are not ingame this is not a complaining thread so keep it cool.

Regards,

Pedro

[ALA13_Yren]

Well, after a little time, smoke discharger were disclosed due to be very easily ignited by a shot. Most crews, simply removed them and not were very often used... Launchers remain but no use.

[E4GLEyE]

would still be a cool game mechanic, specially on wide open areas like Prokhorovka. Also smoke rounds for other tanks.  

[SCG_Neun]

According to tactical manuals from the German side smoke was used a lot.  It would be nice to have that option in the game.  Not sure about the launchers on the side of the tank, though.  It seems like smoke placement would have to be more precise and would have required a smoke round from the main gun?  Excuse my ignorance on the subject.  ?

Edited April 5, 2019 by SCG_Neun

[E4GLEyE]

32 minutes ago, SCG_Neun said:

According to tactical manuals from the German side smoke was used a lot.  It would be nice to have that option in the game.  Not sure about the launchers on the side of the tank, though.  It seems like smoke placement would have to be more precise and would have required a smoke round from the main gun?  Excuse my ignorance on the subject.  ?

it must have been useful in some degree as modern armored vehicles adapted the smoke launcher in such form... Maybe in emergency situations where a quick field of smoke was more important than precise puffs

[ALA13_Yren]

Nebelwurfgeraet (smoke launcher) were not longer mounted on turret sides starting with Turm 286 (June 1943). Troops at the front reported  that hit for small arms fire were set on fire. In calm wind conditions, the smoke enveloped tigers, causing loss of visibility and in some case, incapaciting crew. Was mounted from June 1942 to June 1943.

[Arfsix]

     Smoke launchers were used by all sides to provide a smoke screen that could hide vehicles from direct observation. Smoke launchers were not used to mark targets.

Edited April 5, 2019 by Arfsix
removed undignified remark!

[SCG_Neun]

http://www.custermen.net/nahvert/nah.htm

 

Thanks

[Legioneod]

Smoke is definitely something I want alot for tanks, whether it be smoke launchers for the Tiger or smoke rounds for the Sherman.

Smoke is sorely needed for wide open areas with little concealment. They would help with flanking and hindering the enemies view.

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

A number of tanks ingame also had internal mortars that could fire smoke rounds

 

 

 

[GunnyHighway]

Since the Tank Commander can shoot a flare (Left-Ctrl-1) it could also shoot a smoke projectile. Also at a smaller cost, a smoke round could be added. The WWII technology for smoke is certainly very different from today's technology, that also has to be taken into consideration.   

Edited April 6, 2019 by Ze-GunnyHighway

[unreasonable]

14 hours ago, Legioneod said:

Smoke is definitely something I want alot for tanks, whether it be smoke launchers for the Tiger or smoke rounds for the Sherman.

Smoke is sorely needed for wide open areas with little concealment. They would help with flanking and hindering the enemies view.

 

I agree smoke is good, but while a couple of smoke shells from a tank might be useful occasionally, for instance placed right in front of an enemy bunker, on balance the space in the tank would usually be better used with additional HE or AP shells.  A couple of 75mm smoke sheIls are not going to do much.  If you want a proper smoke screen without a pre-planned bombardment you have to ask the artillery to provide it, hope they are not busy, and that they are on target.    What sometimes acted as a smokescreen was burning wrecks. 

 

 

 

 

[Legioneod]

1 minute ago, unreasonable said:

 

I agree smoke is good, but while a couple of smoke shells from a tank might be useful occasionally, for instance placed right in front of an enemy bunker, on balance the space in the tank would usually be better used with additional HE or AP shells.  A couple of 75mm smoke sheIls are not going to do much.  If you want a proper smoke screen without a pre-planned bombardment you have to ask the artillery to provide it, hope they are not busy, and that they are on target.    What sometimes acted as a smokescreen was burning wrecks. 

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed but the ability to lay down smoke at will is much better than not having it at all. Smoke can be very useful for close range engagements.

[unreasonable]

I disagree: there is no free lunch  tank smoke. The ability is bought at the price of carrying correspondingly fewer HE or AP rounds. To make smoke effective you usually need a lot of it: it is not a good use of the limited storage space in a tank. Smoke should be provided by the units that are good at putting a lot down quickly: mortars and artillery.

 

Dischargers are better for defensive emergencies, but as people have already pointed out these have their own drawbacks.

 

 

[SCG_Neun]

1 hour ago, unreasonable said:

I disagree: there is no free lunch  tank smoke. The ability is bought at the price of carrying correspondingly fewer HE or AP rounds. To make smoke effective you usually need a lot of it: it is not a good use of the limited storage space in a tank. Smoke should be provided by the units that are good at putting a lot down quickly: mortars and artillery.

 

Dischargers are better for defensive emergencies, but as people have already pointed out these have their own drawbacks.

 

 

I tend to lean this way as well. Too bad we can't call in some artillery in the game.  

[migmadmarine]

Especially for the allies, the ability to load smoke and fire it into the face of things like Tiger/Panther/Ferdinand, so as to be able to reposition or close the distance would be very handy.