Those "strange" instant kills....

[Guest deleted@50488]

I fly mostly at BERLOGA, I'd say 98% of my IL2 time.

 

I take Axis or Allies depending only on the amount of players on each side and type of aircraft I would like to "fly".

 

When I take my preferred Axis aircraft - A-3 - I can successfuly get some good hits on the "enemy", but it puzzles me most times:

 

- A Yak can strangely keep with me to the tops and shoot me down, or run after me to the floor even if I'm doing 700km/h ( ? ) and again, shooth me down...

- Even more strange, more than half of those kills are instant kills - even if my aircraft isn't ( apparently ) seriuosly damaged, my virtual pilot is dead... 

 

What sort of technique / advantage do those aircraft and their armament present ?

 

When flying Allies I take mostly the Yaks, sometimes the P-47 or P-39, some other the P-41 or teh Spitfire IX, but from the Axis side I experience no such "instant kills" when fyling those models ?

Edited March 31, 2019 by jcomm

[EpeeNoire]

16 minutes ago, jcomm said:

I fly mostly at BERLOGA, I'd say 98% of my IL2 time.

 

I take Axis or Allies depending only on the amount of players on each side and type of aircraft I would like to "fly".

 

When I take my preferred Axis aircraft - D-3 - I can successfuly get some good hits on the "enemy", but it puzzles me most times:

 

- A Yak can strangely keep with me to the tops and shoot me down, or run after me to the floor even if I'm doing 700km/h ( ? ) and again, shooth me down...

- Even more strange, more than half of those kills are instant kills - even if my aircraft isn't ( apparently ) seriuosly damaged, my virtual pilot is dead... 

 

What sort of technique / advantage do those aircraft and their armament present ?

 

When flying Allies I take mostly the Yaks, sometimes the P-47 or P-39, some other the P-41 or teh Spitfire IX, but from the Axis side I experience no such "instant kills" when fyling those models ?

I suspect you mean the D-9. If so, I noticed a strange increase of "instant kills" in that plane aswell. No idea why that is, since with the non-bubble canopy-top it should be just as with any other fw 190

 

or do you really mean the Ju-87 D-3? if so, I have absolutely no idea about the issue.

Edited March 31, 2019 by EpeeNoire

[CountZero]

hes talking about A3, but as its on berloga there is no way to realy know whats happening, is he realy getting killed more when he flys A3 compared to other airplanes or not.

data data data or els its just ...

[spamRoast]

7 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

hes talking about A3, but as its on berloga there is no way to realy know whats happening, is he realy getting killed more when he flys A3 compared to other airplanes or not.

data data data or els its just ...

Agreed. There are so many varying factors that, without any data or specifics about these situations there's not really anything that people can determine.
 

8 hours ago, jcomm said:

What sort of technique / advantage do those aircraft and their armament present ?

 

I play SP and don't know as much about armament as other here do, so take my comments with a pinch of salt.

 

One advantage Yaks do have is maneuverability. They're definitely some agile planes, especially the 1b. Also, Yaks can dive to a little above 700kph regarding your comment on them catching up to you.
 

But the Yaks have no special armament compared to their enemies from what I can tell. The current Yaks in game have the 20mm SsVAK cannons and the FW-190s have the 20mm MG 151/20, so someone with knowledge on their differences could help there (I think there's a forum topic about it).

 

Who knows who has the advantage in armament, but the FW-190s are definitely beasts that can tear planes apart just as Yaks can.

 

I've found that shooting planes down really comes down to timing and aim more than anything. Ammo matters too obviously, but a well placed burst with any combo of cannons and guns can easily take any plane apart in one pass, so I don't think the Yaks have any specific advantage regarding armament. I've done this in 109s, 190s, Yaks, and others.

 

Unrelated side note: I hope the developers add the Yak-3 someday!

Edited March 31, 2019 by terrible_pilot

[Mauf]

Maybe just a higher proclivity for axis planes to fly less erratic than the allied counterparts leading to more hits in the cockpit area? Anecdotal from my side: I tend to be pilot killed more frequently in the Thunderbolt than in the turners too. I'm not flying the bolt in the Thunderspit fashion so I try to keep fast and straight to keep my energy and speed up. Maybe that makes aiming at the cockpit easier.

 

Also I have a feeling that the axis flyers in general go more for the wings while allied flyers are more focused on the main fuselage, mainly due to the lack of Mineshells and the latest DM revamp. Without any stats that's just conjecture though.

[Guest deleted@50488]

It's good to read your comments / replies, and, btw, thx for that to all, and yes... I believe it really turns out to be a combination of factors, surely:

 

.) Not playing in team - I always enter BERLOGA standalone, team flying never a case - which is basically an error for such a kind of playing mode;

.) Not really flying the aircraft I choose to fly, particularly when on the Axis side, cautiously, and as they're really supposed to be used in combat, even knowing that starting turning fight / flight in most of them is an invitation to forcefully become a parachutist....

.) Not really being informed about the details put into the armament modelled in IL2 Great Battles that equips the various fighter models - I should spend some time reading it...

 

Yesterday, benefitting from a lower # of Allies in a session I entered, I decided to get a LagG 3, still one of myt preferred VVS fighters since it was by it's hand that I first "got in love" with this GREAT sim... Wow - for a while I was an heroe ?

I guess the guys playing Axis were mostly beginners, just like me, which also helped quite a lot ?

 

Edited April 1, 2019 by jcomm

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Well what I noticed that P40 50s are very deadly to the  pilot , if you aim well  is very often PK.

[Mauf]

9 hours ago, jcomm said:

It's good to read your comments / replies, and, btw, thx for that to all, and yes... I believe it really turns out to be a combination of factors, surely:

 

.) Not playing in team - I always enter BERLOGA standalone, team flying never a case - which is basically an error for such a kind of playing mode;

.) Not really flying the aircraft I choose to fly, particularly when on the Axis side, cautiously, and as they're really supposed to be used in combat, even knowing that starting turning fight / flight in most of them is an invitation to forcefully become a parachutist....

.) Not really being informed about the details put into the armament modelled in IL2 Great Battles that equips the various fighter models - I should spend some time reading it...

 

Yesterday, benefitting from a lower # of Allies in a session I entered, I decided to get a LagG 3, still one of myt preferred VVS fighters since it was by it's hand that I first "got in love" with this GREAT sim... Wow - for a while I was an heroe ?

I guess the guys playing Axis were mostly beginners, just like me, which also helped quite a lot ?

 

 

Berloga is a curious case and shouldn't be used as a benchmark for combat performance of planes. The setup as a whole already disadvantages the axis side and doesn't reflect the situation on the mission servers. It needs a truckload of discipline and care to not mess up in the axis fighters in that knife fighting environment. On the other hand, Berloga is a wonderful place to learn "what you can get away with". It's a rapid succession of "go wild, see what happens". That by itself is quite valuable, only that it's just one side of the coin, the other side is playing it safe.

 

[Sublime]

Well i thought all Yaks have at least1 12.7mm which is a Russian .50 cal equivalent. Those are notorious for vig peentrations and Ive noticed with a P40 if Im spraying any type of larger Axis playing the crew dies easily.  The thing ventilates planes and has a high muzzle velocity. Cannons I prefer, but 50s are a close second because you dont have to lob them especially like older cannons.

Lots of 12.7 fire hitting your cockpit would explain a dead pilot especially if from certain angles it.d go right throufh the fuselage or glass. So behind, beneath, sides, above, hell even head on sonewhat. Really anywhere. Its machine guns with insane RoFs and theyre perfect for snap shots.  I have my best bomber kills in BoM flying head on in a P40 and spraying German planes. I almost certainly kill crew.

Edited April 6, 2019 by Sublime

[E69_Qpassa_VR]

In my experience you are totally exposed flying a FW190  and If a foe manages to be on your six there's a high chance he will insta kill you

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

On 4/1/2019 at 9:01 AM, jcomm said:

Not playing in team - I always enter BERLOGA standalone, team flying never a case - which is basically an error for such a kind of playing mode;

 

Team Play on berloga? In that perpetual furball?

Good luck finding people that do that ?

 

Everyone is on his own on Berloga

Edited April 8, 2019 by =EXPEND=SchwarzeDreizehn

[3./JG15_Kampf]

On 3/31/2019 at 12:22 PM, jcomm said:

I fly mostly at BERLOGA, I'd say 98% of my IL2 time.

 

I take Axis or Allies depending only on the amount of players on each side and type of aircraft I would like to "fly".

 

When I take my preferred Axis aircraft - A-3 - I can successfuly get some good hits on the "enemy", but it puzzles me most times:

 

- A Yak can strangely keep with me to the tops and shoot me down, or run after me to the floor even if I'm doing 700km/h ( ? ) and again, shooth me down...

- Even more strange, more than half of those kills are instant kills - even if my aircraft isn't ( apparently ) seriuosly damaged, my virtual pilot is dead... 

 

What sort of technique / advantage do those aircraft and their armament present ?

 

When flying Allies I take mostly the Yaks, sometimes the P-47 or P-39, some other the P-41 or teh Spitfire IX, but from the Axis side I experience no such "instant kills" when fyling those models ?

I also fly a long time in Berloga and I share the same feeling. I get many instant deaths flying Fw190 A3 and mostly D9. But I rarely get to kill the enemy pilot flying RED

[BraveSirRobin]

3 hours ago, 3./JG15_Kampf said:

I also fly a long time in Berloga and I share the same feeling. I get many instant deaths flying Fw190 A3 and mostly D9. But I rarely get to kill the enemy pilot flying RED

 

Maybe the RED pilots get to be better shots by flying crappy aircraft.

[LColony_Kong]

On 3/31/2019 at 11:22 AM, jcomm said:

I fly mostly at BERLOGA, I'd say 98% of my IL2 time.

 

I take Axis or Allies depending only on the amount of players on each side and type of aircraft I would like to "fly".

 

When I take my preferred Axis aircraft - A-3 - I can successfuly get some good hits on the "enemy", but it puzzles me most times:

 

- A Yak can strangely keep with me to the tops and shoot me down, or run after me to the floor even if I'm doing 700km/h ( ? ) and again, shooth me down...

- Even more strange, more than half of those kills are instant kills - even if my aircraft isn't ( apparently ) seriuosly damaged, my virtual pilot is dead... 

 

What sort of technique / advantage do those aircraft and their armament present ?

 

When flying Allies I take mostly the Yaks, sometimes the P-47 or P-39, some other the P-41 or teh Spitfire IX, but from the Axis side I experience no such "instant kills" when fyling those models ?

Yak pilots, especially in berloga for obvious reasons, close their rads COMPLETELY during chases. This adds a ton of speed to nearly match the top end of the 190. I call it war emergency drag. They can operate like that for about 4min without damage, especially if they were flying around before with rads fully open to cool them.