German aircrafts in the game

[123Swissenemy]

Messerschmitt Me 323 "Giant"

 

 

Just like to know if would be a good Idee to add also the Giant Messerschmitt Me 323  as a flyable german aircraft in the game !

It would be grat in many reasons - 1. it is very great aircraft for simulation like this

2. There was flying in Stalingrad as well   3. the aircraft can also take many turret station as well to for the sim....

 

let me know about it....

 

regards

 

Erwin

 

 

[LukeFF]

Please do not use ALL CAPS in your subject title.

 

That out ot the way - nah, boring aircraft IMO. I can think of plenty more important / relevant aircraft to be modeled before the Me 323. 

[Finkeren]

No.

 

 

At least not until we have a flyable Ju 52.

 

Also: your Caps lock seems to be stuck.

Edited February 25, 2014 by Finkeren

[senseispcc]

Yes put them in multyplzyer game, this planes are easy to spot and to get to. Then hard to miss!

[ParaB]

No.

 

A flyable (or at least AI) Ju-52 is much more important.

Edited February 25, 2014 by ParaB

[Bussard_x]

No, Ju-52 played big part in the supplying of the 6th army, this aircraft is must have as first addition to the sim.    

[Bladderburst]

There is a thing I am wondering, we see the current plane set, but are there non controlable aircraft planned too? (my guess is yes but who knows)

 

I would really like the JU52 and 323 to be there, I mean you can't do stalingrad without the transports.

The JU88 is sorely missed too, 110 must have been there too.

I'd like some oldies like the HE123 and the I16 / I153 for the russians, there must have been some of those too, no?

FW200, FW189 and Polykarpov U2... agh somebody stop me already!


But I agree, the JU52 is probably one of the most iconic aircraft present over there that we have no news of so far in the game.

By the way, the 323 is a mule, an aircraft hated by its crew and easy picking.

Edited February 26, 2014 by Boussourir

[FuriousMeow]

Was the Hs 129 at Stalingrad? That'd be an interesting plane to get.

[LukeFF]

There is a thing I am wondering, we see the current plane set, but are there non controlable aircraft planned too? (my guess is yes but who knows)

 

No, all aircraft will be flyable. This is because it takes more time to code the flight model than it does to model the cockpit.

 

Was the Hs 129 at Stalingrad? That'd be an interesting plane to get.

 

No, unfortunately it wasn't.

[Bladderburst]

Then the JU52 is kinda needed for the air supply, no? In theory you could have the heinkels do it but...

[ParaB]

Not just in theory. He-111s were used as transport planes during the battle.

[Sokol1]

I would really like the JU52 and 323 to be there, I mean you can't do stalingrad without the transports.

 

Perhaps the game allow He.111 for resupply missions - if are modeled some sort of cargo pallets.

 

 

06.12.42: 5./KG 27 flew a He 111 from its base at Millerovo into Pitomnik, the crew remained overnight in a bunker, and the next morning flew out Gen.Maj. Friedrich Schulz (RK mit Eichenlaub und Schwertern).

07.12.42: II./KG 27 flew rations and ammunition into Pitomnik and returned with wounded.

24.12.42: I. and II./KG 27, operating from Urasov and Millerovo, flew a re-supply mission to German troops surrounded at Chertkovo/52 km N of Millerovo.

30.12.42: H. Reif, a member of 3./KG 27, wrote: “Up to now, we had not participated in the catastrophic situation at Stalingrad. We were alerted early in the morning of 30.12. to transfer immediately to Novocherkassk. We landed there around 9:40 and then took off around 13:00 for our first supply flight to Pitomnik, where we landed about 14:20. For the entire following month we bomber crews dropped no bombs; only supplies.” Along with I./ KG 27, II./KG 27 also transferred to Novocherkassk on 30 December and flew the same missions for the next month.

 I. and II./KG 27 flew supply missions to Stalingrad from 30 December 1942 to the city fell on 2 February 1943.

 

On 18 January 1943 VIII. Fliegerkorps was to continue to supply 6th Army with all resources, with all He 111s to land at Gumrak airfield.

 

 

Sokol1

[II./JG53Lutzow_z06z33]

The idea of He-111's being used to transport cargo isn't as far fetched as some may think. Reasons are, high gross weight,designed as an airliner.

[kendo]

Thanks Sokol. Reading this it seems the devs have made a very wise decision in choosing the He-111 as the sole Luftwaffe medium bomber in the game (initially).

 

It allows us to model a wide range of historical missions while fitting the tight resource allocation schedule to get the game out.

 

06.12.42: 5./KG 27 flew a He 111 from its base at Millerovo into Pitomnik, the crew remained overnight in a bunker, and the next morning flew out Gen.Maj. Friedrich Schulz (RK mit Eichenlaub und Schwertern).
07.12.42: II./KG 27 flew rations and ammunition into Pitomnik and returned with wounded.
24.12.42: I. and II./KG 27, operating from Urasov and Millerovo, flew a re-supply mission to German troops surrounded at Chertkovo/52 km N of Millerovo.
30.12.42: H. Reif, a member of 3./KG 27, wrote: “Up to now, we had not participated in the catastrophic situation at Stalingrad. We were alerted early in the morning of 30.12. to transfer immediately to Novocherkassk. We landed there around 9:40 and then took off around 13:00 for our first supply flight to Pitomnik, where we landed about 14:20. For the entire following month we bomber crews dropped no bombs; only supplies.” Along with I./ KG 27, II./KG 27 also transferred to Novocherkassk on 30 December and flew the same missions for the next month.
 I. and II./KG 27 flew supply missions to Stalingrad from 30 December 1942 to the city fell on 2 February 1943.

 

On 18 January 1943 VIII. Fliegerkorps was to continue to supply 6th Army with all resources, with all He 111s to land at Gumrak airfield.

[Sokol1]

Othes data showing He.111 in Stalingrad Airlift (for December, 42) - sample show only dates when number of aircraft type are know. In some days where more He.111 than Ju.52 flying supplies for Stalingrad. Ju-56, Ju-290, FW-200 participation was minimal.

 

 

4th Friday 49 Ju 52
17 He 111 140 tons
 . Ammo / Fuel
Medical supply Since the start of the air-lift until today 38 Ju 52 and 15 He 111 were lost. Temperature 25 degrees celcius below zero.
10th Thursday About 40 Ju 52
80 He 111  240 tons
 . Ammo / Fuel
Medical supply  Preparations for Operation Winterstorm.The attempt to relief Sixth Army at Stalingrad. Between the 10th and the 11th the Soviet Airforce destroyed 89 planes of the Luftwaffe. The Soviet Airforce is bombing several German airodromes.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             11th Friday 40 Ju 52
80 He 111 210 tons
 . Ammo / Fuel / Food
Medical supply The weather was 'good' to fly. 6 Ju 52 were shot down by the Russian Airforce.
16th Wednesday 20 Ju 52
70 He 111  174 tons
 . Ammo / Fuel / Food
Medical supply  2 Ju52 crashed down while landing at Pitomnik airport. Due to the heavy losses the Germans start supplying at night.
20th Sunday 80 Ju 52 and Ju 86 
About 100 He 111  340 tons
. Ammo / Fuel 
Medical supply / Food  The weather was 'good'. When the weather was better to fly the German losses were higher. The Russian counterattack against Operation Winter Storm is slowing down the German
advance to the encircled Sixth Army.
21st Monday 40 He 111 
. 79 tons
 . Ammo / Fuel/ Food
Medical supply  The weather was too bad for the Ju 52 to take-off. 

 

More: http://www.stalingrad.net/german-hq/the-stalingrad-airlift/airliftdec.html

 

Sokol1

Edited February 26, 2014 by Sokol1

[Bladderburst]

The idea of He-111's being used to transport cargo isn't as far fetched as some may think. Reasons are, high gross weight,designed as an airliner.

 

[MiloMorai]

He177s were used in the Stalingrad airlift fiasco.

[[JG2]R7_Blackadder]

Apart from the Ju52, which everybody wants (I guess just to shoot at AI), I think that Emils, 110s and 189s are the most reasonable options for such a request. Not to mention that IAR80s as well as Macchi 200 were even more present than some of these and Devs could choose to create them first. Personally I'd love to experience the flight in a FW189.

 

Hope you don't mind, but I wonder how you managed to think about the Giant....

[johncage]

i think it'll be like in rise of flight and ju52 wont make it due to no one will want to fly it.

[Bladderburst]

There should be AI only aircraft... (just my humble opinion)

Edited March 5, 2014 by Boussourir

[ShamrockOneFive]

There should be AI only aircraft... (just my humble opinion)

I agree. I get that the FM programming takes longer than developing a cockpit but its not a job done by the same guy (or very unlikely to be). Not unless they work as tag teams.

 

Still there are types of aircraft that should be present as key roles but are not necessarily interesting to fly. The Ju-52 is one of them. If we have to wait for a bit before it becomes available... that's ok too.

[Lusekofte]

If missions was made like you have to get 10 transports to a airfield before it become operational the JU will be flown, to date transports have no purpose in online gaming. I wish for that to stop. I fly transport if something is gained for flying them.

But for AI and static JU 52, FW 189, 323 is a must

[Sokol1]

The only online games that flyable Ju-52 make sense is in old Warbirds (I think Aces High too) and in Battleground Europe,

to drop parachute troops that will capture objectives.

 

Proportionally few people will fly He 111 and Pe-2, imagine Ju-52...

 

Sokol1

[ShamrockOneFive]

If missions was made like you have to get 10 transports to a airfield before it become operational the JU will be flown, to date transports have no purpose in online gaming. I wish for that to stop. I fly transport if something is gained for flying them.

But for AI and static JU 52, FW 189, 323 is a must

 

 

The only online games that flyable Ju-52 make sense is in old Warbirds (I think Aces High too) and in Battleground Europe,

to drop parachute troops that will capture objectives.

 

Proportionally few people will fly He 111 and Pe-2, imagine Ju-52...

 

Sokol1

 

Both good ideas actually. If the mission objective online or offline could work so that supplies or paratroops were delivered within a certain radius then there would be a reason, although not as exciting as say a bomber or fighter mission, to fly the Ju52 or in the future other transport aircraft. There are many other combat types I'm personally more interested in flying... but again I wouldn't mind being able to shoot down a Ju52 or a FW189 on a recon mission.

[79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer]

Apart from the Ju52, which everybody wants (I guess just to shoot at AI), I think that Emils, 110s and 189s are the most reasonable options for such a request.

 

An Emil would be very nice, and hopefully won't need to modelled from the ground up.

[PA-Sniv]

The only online games that flyable Ju-52 make sense is in old Warbirds (I think Aces High too) and in Battleground Europe,

to drop parachute troops that will capture objectives.

 

Proportionally few people will fly He 111 and Pe-2, imagine Ju-52...

 

Sokol1

I've flown on several SEOW online campaigns (IL2) where transport flights (supply or paratroopers) had to be human for better accuracy (coordinated with fighters sweep, drop a precise location, etc.). In those campaign, human recon flights gave also better results.

 

Really thrilling missions! Hope these can make it in BoS!

[[JG2]R7_Blackadder]

An Emil would be very nice, and hopefully won't need to modelled from the ground up.

 

True but since many come from CloD....you know, it can wait

[LLv44_Mprhead]

An Emil would be very nice, and hopefully won't need to modelled from the ground up.

 

Thing with Emil is, that when Barbarossa started, F-2 was already the main fighter of Luftwaffe. Emil was used mostly as ground attack plane.

[[JG2]R7_Blackadder]

One of the reasons it can wait for me E7 if I'm not mistaken, right ?

[Bearcat]

I won't even be thinking about any new aircraft other than the ones promised once the finished product is released. at least until about a week after the initial final release..

[=LD=4brkfast]

What's the point in saying no? Not getting that perspective.

 

More aircraft means more diversity, more profits for 777/1C and therefore more content, maps, aircraft.

 

I vote yes for as many different aircraft as possible. It will be more fun with variety.

[[JG2]R7_Blackadder]

It's not about "no at all", it's about "when".

[ShamrockOneFive]

I won't even be thinking about any new aircraft other than the ones promised once the finished product is released. at least until about a week after the initial final release..

 

Too true Bearcat! :D

[oneeyeddog]

I'm far from an expert on the subject but I've read an excerpt from the book  ' HS-129 Panzerjager, Martin Pegg, Pub. Classic UK 1997 '   in which it claimed that 2 HS-129 were shot down over Stalingrad in September on '42. 

If so, the HS-129 would be one of the planes at the top of my list of Axis aircraft that i'd like to fly on the Stalingrad map.

[ScotsmanFlyingscotsman]

I'm with oneeyedog and FuriousMeow on the hs-129, excellent anti tank aircraft

Of course the Ju-52, and eventually the Me-323. Once the Dev team have had a few days off ha ha.

It may be some years away but it's nice to think about

[LukeFF]

I'm far from an expert on the subject but I've read an excerpt from the book  ' HS-129 Panzerjager, Martin Pegg, Pub. Classic UK 1997 '   in which it claimed that 2 HS-129 were shot down over Stalingrad in September on '42. 

If so, the HS-129 would be one of the planes at the top of my list of Axis aircraft that i'd like to fly on the Stalingrad map.

 

There were no Hs 129s in the Stalingrad sector. 

[Lusekofte]

No, all aircraft will be flyable. This is because it takes more time to code the flight model than it does to model the cockpit.

 

 

No, unfortunately it wasn't.

Are you sure, the HS 123 never retired it was flown until there where non left. I think it was in use to late 44. But obviously few

[Pierre64]

There were no Hs 129s in the Stalingrad sector. 

 

http://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=16927&start=0&sid=6ec1b3c5fe8ab28bc3630479094dcfd07

 

 

"Here is a picture from the German wartime magazine “Die Wehrmacht” showing an HS-129 in a dive west of Stalingrads tractor factory district."

 

Edited March 13, 2014 by Pierre64

[Finkeren]

I have to say LukeFF. That looks like pretty conclusive evidence.

[Nil]

'Super niche' planes in a niche genre, will not make the rubels roll in!
if the plane had a big part in the battle, AND is wanted by enough people, it might be to consider.
On the Russian side right now, I know that I will only fly the lovely IL2 and the almost as lovely PE2. On the German side I prolly will fly all (current) of them!

Never the Me 323 nor the Hs 129.. even if they where free! If they were for some obscure reason included in a dlc addon pack, I'd pay for it, if it contained more then the 2 planes, but will not fly them.

We can wish until we turn blue.. but it will take 10+ years before they have as many planes as IL2:1946 4.12.2 ... and that is if enough people join in on the sim!