FW 190 D11 and D13

[sevenless]

Just as a question / suggestion: might make sence to "upgrade" the D9 model to also allow for the D11 and D13 variants ?:

 

Example D-11s, (both red-2 (Fw Bodo Dirschauer) and red-4 (Lt. Karl-Heinz Hofmann) were used with JV44):

 

 

Example D-13 (JG 26, the machine is still existing in a museum in USA): 

 

https://flyingheritage.org/Explore/The-Collection/Germany/Focke-Wulf-Fw-190-D-13-(Dora).aspx

Edited March 29, 2019 by sevenless

[Legioneod]

The more the merrier imo but what are the differences between them? Performance wise are they different enough to warrant them being added.

Even if the difference is as minor as an armament change I'm all for having more variants, especially since it'll give me more of an excuse to ask for more P-47/P-51 variants/blocks.

[sevenless]

32 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

The more the merrier imo but what are the differences between them? Performance wise are they different enough to warrant them being added.

Even if the difference is as minor as an armament change I'm all for having more variants, especially since it'll give me more of an excuse to ask for more P-47/P-51 variants/blocks.

 

As far as I can read from my sources the main difference to the D-9 is the upgraded 213-E and -F engines and armament. Both had no MG 131s, D-11 had 2x 20mm in the wing roots and 2x MK108s at outer wing position and D-13 had 3x 20mm cannons (one firing through spinner).

 

Apparently 2 dozen D13/R11 were delivered to JG26, dunno about D-11, but pictures show at least 2 being present with JV 44 in spring 45. There is another version the D-12, but I have found no evidence that a single D-12 reached front line units.

 

 

Engines per variant:

 

Edited March 29, 2019 by sevenless

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I don’t have my resources atm but I think a D-13 would be a good add for a Berlin module along with La-7, Ta-152 H and C, very late Spits, Mustangs, etc. I’m pretty sure some D-13’s were delivered with the square tails. So between the airframe and armament changes she’s a good candidate for interest/inclusion. Maybe less so the D-11.

[Legioneod]

I'm liking the D-11 armament, 2 20s and 2 30s sounds nice. Were they better performance wise when it came to higher altitudes? I know the D9 tends to suffer the higher it goes iirc.

[sevenless]

3 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

I'm liking the D-11 armament, 2 20s and 2 30s sounds nice. Were they better performance wise when it came to higher altitudes? I know the D9 tends to suffer the higher it goes iirc.

 

AFAIK the 213 E/F engines were specially designed for high altitude duty and anti-bomber business. Hence the 2x108s in the D-11s.

[Legioneod]

1 minute ago, sevenless said:

 

AFAIK the 213 E/F engines were specially designed for high altitude duty and anti-bomber business. Hence the 2x108s in the D-11s.

Nice. I'd love to see it added one day, maybe for a Berlin scenario or as a collector.

 

If the performance of the E/F engines aren't much different I think they'd be able to bundle it into one package sorta like the k4, with multiple armament options and an engine option.

It would make a nice collector aircraft imo.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

Yeah these Doras had much better high altitude performance



 

[=621=Samikatz]

With such a tiny amount delivered they're more of a curiosity than anything. I'd like to see them for potential alt-history scenarios but not at the expense of other, more widespread and historically important aircraft

[Field-Ops]

I think they could bundle the D12 and D13 into one module. Same performance, just be able to swap the center MG151/20 in the D13 nose with the Mk108 of the D12. Hell if the D11 had similar performance you could bundle that in as well, it looks like they all share the same airframe (where the D9 has the MG131 bulges, but the rest dont).

[Bremspropeller]

The E/F Jumos came with a new prop with even larger paddles (Junkers VS 9 as opposed to the VS 111 of the D-9) and it used a larger supercharger intake.

The D-13 supposedly had hydraulically boosted ailerons, but any info on the system is sparse. Most D-13s delivered had an autopilot.

 

A D-13 with the Jumo 213EB would be an absolute killer.

This engine had an intercooler and a newly sized radiator, so the cooling-grills could stay flush all the time, thus attaining an additional 20kph+ over the "stock" D-13. Additionally, the EB came with 200hp more right out of the box.

Focke Wulf was expecting a total speed-increase over the "stock" D-13 (which was already a ~740kph airframe) of roundabout 40kph in total.

Edited March 31, 2019 by Bremspropeller

[CountZero]

Its to differant to just be modification for D9, and they didnt operate on BoBp map area.

 

So best is to be added as part of some DLC like Battle of Berlin as it operated there.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Agreed, see above.

[MiloMorai]

11 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

The E/F Jumos came with a new prop with even larger paddles (Junkers VS 9 as opposed to the VS 111 of the D-9) and it used a larger supercharger intake.

The D-13 supposedly had hydraulically boosted ailerons, but any info on the system is sparse. Most D-13s delivered had an autopilot.

 

A D-13 with the Jumo 213EB would be an absolute killer.

This engine had an intercooler and a newly sized radiator, so the cooling-grills could stay flush all the time, thus attaining an additional 20kph+ over the "stock" D-13. Additionally, the EB came with 200hp more right out of the box.

Focke Wulf was expecting a total speed-increase over the "stock" D-13 (which was already a ~740kph airframe) of roundabout 40kph in total.

Wasn't there a post war mock combat between a D-13 and a Tempest V with the D-13 being the victor?

[Rattlesnake]

On 3/29/2019 at 3:52 PM, Legioneod said:

The more the merrier imo but what are the differences between them? Performance wise are they different enough to warrant them being added.

Even if the difference is as minor as an armament change I'm all for having more variants, especially since it'll give me more of an excuse to ask for more P-47/P-51 variants/blocks.

Clever

[D3adCZE]

I am for addition of any planes till May 1945. It would make sense. And I would love to fly D13 with boosted ailerons against high alt Mustangs and Jugs.