Turning out of TC's hatch

[migmadmarine]

Suppose this is a request post, but I hope something will be tweaked about having the tank commander turned out. As it stands, you're only option is to be exposed to the belt buckle as if on parade, just asking to be shot. I'd love to see this replaced or supplemented with the ability to turn out in a much lower profile manner as shown in the photo or into so-called "eyeball defilade" (ie exposing the head only from the eyes up through the hatch).

 

[GunnyHighway]

I thought you could do it by depressing the "PAGE UP" and "PAGE DOWN" keys.

[migmadmarine]

You can move you viewpoint, but that won't move the TC model, and I don't know if it would move your hitbox. 

[NateLawrence]

This is a pretty trivial issue IMO. I've never went to eyeball defilade in Steel Beasts, as the only reason to do it is if you're under fire, in which case you may as well just button up. It also limits your vision more so than being fully exposed, which kinda defeats the purpose of turning out.

 

It would be nice though if the process of going from buttoned up to turned out was faster and smoother.

[[_FLAPS_]RogoRogo]

46 minutes ago, NateLawrence said:

This is a pretty trivial issue IMO. I've never went to eyeball defilade in Steel Beasts, as the only reason to do it is if you're under fire, in which case you may as well just button up. It also limits your vision more so than being fully exposed, which kinda defeats the purpose of turning out.

 

It would be nice though if the process of going from buttoned up to turned out was faster and smoother.

 

true.. but in Steel Beasts you command modern assets with modern camera systems, peri-17 (et.al.)  independent optics aso, yet modern hatches (fe Leopard 1, 2) still replicate the hatch-position (albeit now less relevant) of german late-war commander's cupola hatches (Pzkpfw VI Tiger II H,P, Pzkpw V Panther A,xx).

Aka flat - sideswinging instead of hinging, and the ability to either fully unbutton (hatch sideswung open) or lock the hatch in an intermediate position (hatch raised and locked but still covering the cupola opening) where the commander could "peek" or "bino peek" while having some protection against grenades and ballistic trajectory munitions. 
In fact this "intermediate" position was the most commonly used with experienced commanders, since the mirror periscopes offered limited situational awareness and spotting potential and the commanders rotating persicope had a fixed angle.. and spares became less and less available for all (and they were easily damaged by any incoming fire).

Ofc for TC.. nice to have if possible (aka out render, damage model)...  if not possible.. surely not the end of the world.

[NateLawrence]

32 minutes ago, =RFBS=RogoRogo said:

 

true.. but in Steel Beasts you command modern assets with modern camera systems, peri-17 (et.al.)  independent optics aso, yet modern hatches (fe Leopard 1, 2) still replicate the hatch-position (albeit now less relevant) of german late-war commander's cupola hatches (Pzkpfw VI Tiger II H,P, Pzkpw V Panther A,xx).

Aka flat - sideswinging instead of hinging, and the ability to either fully unbutton (hatch sideswung open) or lock the hatch in an intermediate position (hatch raised and locked but still covering the cupola opening) where the commander could "peek" or "bino peek" while having some protection against grenades and ballistic trajectory munitions. 
In fact this "intermediate" position was the most commonly used with experienced commanders, since the mirror periscopes offered limited situational awareness and spotting potential and the commanders rotating persicope had a fixed angle.. and spares became less and less available for all (and they were easily damaged by any incoming fire).

Ofc for TC.. nice to have if possible (aka out render, damage model)...  if not possible.. surely not the end of the world.

 

The optical systems available to to TC isn't really related to what I meant. I meant that I personally never go open protected as it isn't much safer than fully open when you're being shot at with direct and indirect fire, so I just prefer to go fully exposed to get the best view of the terrain and situation when not in contact.

 

I'm pretty sure its possible, the game is still in dev and will probably see a much better TC control modeling that isn't just a copy and paste of aircraft gunner controls.

Edited April 10, 2019 by NateLawrence

[[_FLAPS_]RogoRogo]

On 4/10/2019 at 3:36 AM, NateLawrence said:

 

The optical systems available to to TC isn't really related to what I meant. I meant that I personally never go open protected as it isn't much safer than fully open when you're being shot at with direct and indirect fire, so I just prefer to go fully exposed to get the best view of the terrain and situation when not in contact.

 

I'm pretty sure its possible, the game is still in dev and will probably see a much better TC control modeling that isn't just a copy and paste of aircraft gunner controls.

 

I was speaking in relation to Steel Beasts... so about the general(ized) need to unbutton in "immersive layer" of actual gameplay.. or sort of the "historical relevance" of the commander unbuttoning or intermediate-peeking with regards to TC vs SB,
Personal preferences nonwithstanding - everyone has them and should be able to apply them in gameplay as best as possible.

I fully underwrite and want to emphasize on your last sentence... in fact most of my few posts are exactly about that.
I hope that 1C/777s change from a relative motion gun control (you move and aim the gun with its asset behavior, NOT an aimpoint) to a pixelprecise zero-order motion of an FPS aimpoint with the gun following with a slew rate (and that coupled to the pilot headcam controls) was just an intermediate necessity.. and they go back to the way more "tank sim"-suitable and immersive relative motion aiming (plus that one stick-axis-assignable).
Steel Beasts in that regard weirdly is then a bad comparion (for purely techno-historical reasons)

Edited April 11, 2019 by =RFBS=RogoRogo
did I really type XXX instead of 1C/777 -- that is just.. wrong.

[SCG_Slater]

I just pop out and if you see the enemy pop down. What we need in my opinion is feedback from the crew, they are also your eyes 360 and could warn you of any incoming threats. 

Edited April 29, 2019 by Slater