9./JG54_GERMANWOLF Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 First question: Why are the gunners of the Russian bombers so effective? Even in a dive at 700Km / h they hit us easily and take us out of combat quickly, they hit the engine soon they seem to use "AIMBIOT", the BF110's gunners look like idiots, it's almost a miracle they hit something. Second question: Why is the P40 so tough? Even hitting them with 20mm ammunition realizes that it is very difficult to be knocked down, has to carry many bullets and still continue to fly What do you think? 1 1
AndyJWest Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 I think you should look for previous threads on a subject before starting new ones. 1 1
9./JG54_GERMANWOLF Posted March 28, 2019 Author Posted March 28, 2019 WHERE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IT?
-LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) This has been brought up plenty before, (I haven't heard of the p40 being too tough though?) the gunners aren't as good as you make them sound. Its all down to tactics. Fast slicing attacks will fix your problem. Edited March 28, 2019 by -LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor
9./JG54_GERMANWOLF Posted March 28, 2019 Author Posted March 28, 2019 IT'S OUT OF NORMALITY, FOR THE RUSSIANS ARE ALL AS WELL AS EVER
Diggun Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 I say, my dear old thing, you seem to have caps lock stuck on. 1 4
9./JG54_GERMANWOLF Posted March 28, 2019 Author Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) 17. Spreading false or harmful information about the product is prohibited and will be deleted by forum administration. Claiming ignorance of the subject to justify harmful or obviously untrue info will not be tolerated. 5. Moderators oversee the different sections of the forum and they have the right to edit and delete posts or close the entire topic without explanation. Edited March 28, 2019 by SYN_Haashashin
Elem Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, 9./JG54_GermanWolf said: First question: Why are the gunners of the Russian bombers so effective? Even in a dive at 700Km / h they hit us easily and take us out of combat quickly, they hit the engine soon they seem to use "AIMBIOT", the BF110's gunners look like idiots, it's almost a miracle they hit something. Second question: Why is the P40 so tough? Even hitting them with 20mm ammunition realizes that it is very difficult to be knocked down, has to carry many bullets and still continue to fly What do you think? 1
Diggun Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, 9./JG54_GermanWolf said: https://youtu.be/sMdr1ypBGsc I wouldn't fancy being your wingman much, old bean, you came awfully close to hitting him there with that undisciplined head on spraying.... 2 1
CIA_Yankee_ Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, 9./JG54_GermanWolf said: why with the German gunners are not as effective as the Russians? Would it be a better training? soon will see a moderator blocking the topic but okay ...☺️ They're not. Gunners are deadly all around, though the fact the VVS bombers tend to be fast probably means more LW pilots end up taking riskier approaches (namely, moving in from dead astern, slowly creeping up to gun range while offering the gunners 0 deflection shots). In some cases the VVS gunners have better weapons as well, but the actual gunnery is the same. Beyond that, it's basically confirmation bias. Not doing slashing attacks against bombers will usually with a few bullets lodged in your engine (or your pilot), regardless of your faction. 2
RedKestrel Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 Answer, given ad nauseum a million times: Pe-2 gunners are the only ones that are more effective, because a) they have a good field of view and b)the most popular mod has 12.7 mm heavy machine gun in the turret and that is much more powerful than the rifle-calibre guns present on most german planes. Nobody fears the gunners in Il-2s, its always the Pe-2. And that's because of the above-mentioned things that make the gunners more effective. Fly on a He-111's tail in a MiG and watch your engine get perforated real quick. Just now, 71st_AH_Yankee_ said: They're not. Gunners are deadly all around, though the fact the VVS bombers tend to be fast probably means more LW pilots end up taking riskier approaches (namely, moving in from dead astern, slowly creeping up to gun range while offering the gunners 0 deflection shots). In some cases the VVS gunners have better weapons as well, but the actual gunnery is the same. Beyond that, it's basically confirmation bias. Not doing slashing attacks against bombers will usually with a few bullets lodged in your engine (or your pilot), regardless of your faction. People also remember the times they got hit rather than all the times they didn't get hit. And fly only one side and just assume that things are 'unfair' to their side while never trying the same thing on the other side. 2 2
Elem Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Diggun said: I wouldn't fancy being your wingman much, old bean, you came awfully close to hitting him there with that undisciplined head on spraying.... And there are no P-40s in that vid. They're all P-39s! 1 1
JG27*Kornezov Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 I think you are in a very bad position with the nickname of GermanWolf to bring that issue LOL. 1
CIA_Yankee_ Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, RedKestrel said: People also remember the times they got hit rather than all the times they didn't get hit. And fly only one side and just assume that things are 'unfair' to their side while never trying the same thing on the other side. Aye, I had the wrong bias. It's negativity bias. Well, there's confirmation bias involved here as well, but the thing that starts it is negativity bias. I remember all the times I pumped 29042 shells into a 190 only to have it extend away a lot more vividly than the times I killed their engines in 3 hits. 1
9./JG54_GERMANWOLF Posted March 28, 2019 Author Posted March 28, 2019 Everyone is right here, thanks for the attention!
Guest deleted@32648 Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 Wolf is such a good name, I don't know why more people don't use it for their luftwaffe-selves.
-=PHX=-SuperEtendard Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, 9./JG54_GermanWolf said: why with the German gunners are not as effective as the Russians? Would it be a better training? soon will see a moderator blocking the topic but okay ...☺️ The gunners affect both sides, the Pe-2 is better because it rounds up all the qualities the AI needs to be the most effective (belt fed heavy machine gun and clear firing angles). In this thread some videos with Ju 87, Bf 110 and He 111 H-16 were posted. Spoiler The upcoming B-25 with it's top and ventral twin .50 cal turrets will be quite troublesome, since it's similar to the Pe-2 but has 360º firing arcs and twice the guns per turret. Edited March 28, 2019 by -=PHX=-SuperEtendard
SYN_Haashashin Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 Hi all, Several topics about the same thing. Please use one of those and do not open duplicate topics. Locked Haash 1 2
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