190 A8, 109 G14, 109 K4 or 190 D9.

[Fran13]

Which one do you think is the best one overall?

 

Mi vote = G 14. Best Luftwaffe sniper in the game.

 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2019 by Fran13

[Legioneod]

Don't fly German aircraft much but the D9 is probably my favorite out of the bunch. It's such a smooth ride and very easy to fly.

I'll take a D9 over a K4/G14 any day. 

[Gambit21]

Emil or Dora are the most fun, for completely different reasons.

[Finkeren]

As a pure fighter, easily the Dora. It has every advantage of the Fw 190 series but adds stellar climb rate and performance boosted to the max. Pretty much the only thing it sacrifices are firepower (which is still very good) and a bit of roll rare (of which it had plenty) 

 

For anything other than fighter vs fighter combat, and high altitude interceptor (which goes to the Kurfürst) the Fw 190A8 wins out, it is by far the most versatile of the bunch. 

[CrazyDuck]

Best for what job?

 

Bomber destroying and close support ground attack - A8.

High altitude anti-fighter combat - K4.

Med to low altitude general fighter tasks - D9.

 

In my humble opinion.

Edited March 26, 2019 by CrazyDuck

[ITAF_Rani]

I love G6 and G14...Dora need training and I think is really dangerous for enemy plane

[danielprates]

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Emil or Dora are the most fun, for completely different reasons.

 

Do elaborate!

[Royal_Flight]

F8. Fairly tough, good ordinance options and more survivable for strike missions than a Stuka or 110. 

 

It feels safer to fly so allows you the confidence for more aggressive ground-attack missions and when the bombs are gone you can strafe targets of opportunity on the way home. 

 

Keen to try the Dora for strike, never flown a 109 other than the E7. 

[Pict]

11 hours ago, CrazyDuck said:

Bomber destroying and close support ground attack - A8.

High altitude anti-fighter combat - K4.

Med to low altitude general fighter tasks - D9.

 

That seems about right to me too.

 

Then if we added the Ta-152-H to give an even 6 or 3 vs 3 Me-109 compared with Fw-190, the Fw would win all categories hands down, as it could be expected to, being a later generation design from the start.

 

I may be a little biased, as if given the option, I would fly a 190 before a 109, with the exception of the earlier 109's, like the E-7 or F-2 with the 15mm cannon. 

Edited March 27, 2019 by Pict

[6FG_Big_Al]

I like all of these Planes but my heart goes to the Wulf! The A8 is (i think) the best Groundattacker/Fighter Combi you can get.

And i prefer the Dora more than the G 14 or the K4. I enjoy a lot more the handling in the D9 and i don´t care if i am in some cases slower than the Kurfürst. The 109 simply lacks versatility. Of course you can mount a bomb but against the A 8 series it has no chance. And also the D9 has 1. a larger number of weapons and 2. it can carry more bomb loads.

 

have a nice day!

 

Rico

 

[Voidhunger]

After some time with the Dora i returned to Bf109 and was surprised  how bad im with the K-4. Kurfurst is fast, but poor turner with very bad roll rate. Also the stiffened elevator with higher speeds is bad. My choice is Dora and G14(only as a dogfighter) and for ground pounding Dora or Anton.

[MasserME262]

13 hours ago, CrazyDuck said:

Med to low altitude general fighter tasks - D9.

I thought Dora was intended for very high alt. combat (although was used for low alt tasks as well), or I am missing something?

[CrazyDuck]

2 minutes ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

I thought Dora was intended for very high alt. combat (although was used for low alt tasks as well), or I am missing something?

 

It was intended to improve med to high altitude performance over Fw 190A (which it did). Nevertheless, alcoholic Bf 109G/Ks remained better than any Fw 190 at very high altitudes (>7.000 m) up to the arrival of Ta 152. At the same time Fw 190D also improved the low to med altitude performance over Anton, not only high one (albeit to a lesser extent).

[SCG_ErwinP]

IMO

I prefer FW overall. Best WWII German fighter plane ever made!

• FW
  • Better armament (cannos near the fuselage - very accurate);
  • Better roll rate;
  • Handling;
  • B&Zer;
  • Better visibility;
  • Better ground attacker;
  • Fast pitch trim;
  • More damage resistant.
• BF
  • Better climb rate;
  • Faster.

Edited March 27, 2019 by EWilhelmPaulus

[PatrickAWlson]

1 hour ago, Voidhunger said:

After some time with the Dora i returned to Bf109 and was surprised  how bad im with the K-4. Kurfurst is fast, but poor turner with very bad roll rate. Also the stiffened elevator with higher speeds is bad. My choice is Dora and G14(only as a dogfighter) and for ground pounding Dora or Anton.

 

Great point.  Going fast is nice but going fast while having complete control is really nice.

[WheelwrightPL]

Dora outclasses all other fighters when flown at altitudes where its supercharger works at peak efficiency. The Dora out-rolls all 109s by a ridiculous margin and unlike them it is safe in a high-speed dive due to its vastly superior elevator authority. The Dora can even keep-up with all those late-war 109s in a climb because it can achieve up to 30m/s climbrate, which is twice (!!) the maximum vertical speed indicator limit on an Anton. And the Dora barely loses any of this performance when carrying R4 rockets because how small and well-integrated they are.

However, as previously alluded, the Dora can be caught flat-footed at altitudes where its supercharger runs out of steam, because it doesn't have 109s amazing variable-speed supercharger but only a WW2-standard 2-speed supercharger.

[CanadaOne]

I find all equally enjoyable when on fire, full of holes, and plummeting towards Mother Earth at high speed. 

[Thad]

3 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

I find all equally enjoyable when on fire, full of holes, and plummeting towards Mother Earth at high speed. 

 

Absolutely. One must enjoy all moments of life. Live fast, fight hard and die gloriously. ?

[Guest deleted@50488]

None, 

 

for me the A-3, in game, is by far my preferred 190...

[-LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor]

The Dora has won my heart I think, the more I fly it the more I like it. Never been a big fan of the 109's except the g14, g6 and e7. 

 

 

[MasserME262]

3 hours ago, EWilhelmPaulus said:

IMO

I prefer FW overall. Best WWII German fighter plane ever made!

• FW
  • Better armament (cannos near the fuselage - very accurate);
  • Better roll rate;
  • Handling;
  • B&Zer;
  • Better visibility;
  • Better ground attacker;
  • Fast pitch trim;
  • More damage resistant.
• BF
  • Faster.

you forgot one characteristic, which is one of my "top three must-have characteristics" of every plane: climb rate. There, 109 has the advantage, hands down.

[Eicio]

Yep and if 190 is more damage resilient it's also a much easier target than the 109.

[SCG_ErwinP]

1 hour ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

you forgot one characteristic, which is one of my "top three must-have characteristics" of every plane: climb rate. There, 109 has the advantage, hands down.

I didn't forget it.
In my mind, it be faster, I mean in all aspects but i will edit my post!
Thank you! =D

[Bremspropeller]

Ze D

Spoiler

 

5 hours ago, CrazyDuck said:

It was intended to improve med to high altitude performance over Fw 190A (which it did). Nevertheless, alcoholic Bf 109G/Ks remained better than any Fw 190 at very high altitudes (>7.000 m) up to the arrival of Ta 152. At the same time Fw 190D also improved the low to med altitude performance over Anton, not only high one (albeit to a lesser extent).

 

The D-9 barely improved the critical altitude of the 190, thanks to it's one stage two-speed supercharger.

The "definitive" Doras* (D-11, D-12 and D-13) did recieve the Jumo 213F** with it's two stage three-speed supercharger were as good as any allied fighter at high altitudes.

Projected versions equipped with the Jumo 213EB (with an intercooler fitting into the Dora cowling and optimized cooling-petals) would likely been up there with the best the Allies had to offer.

 

It's not the airframe that was the letdown, it was the colossal early-to-mid war engine-development *beep*-up the Germans thought they could afford for themselves.

Had the DB603 and the Jumo been available in late 1943 (which could have been achievable), the year 1944 might have taken a slightly different turn in terms of aerial warfare.

 

___

* Those would actually have been the D-14 and D-15, which were supposed to be powered by the DB603LA, but were cancelled early on for some unconcievable reason.

** The intercooler-equipped Jumo 213E wasn't ready for prime-time yet and it did have issues fitting into the original Dora airframe.

[CountZero]

even 190a5 is faster on combat abow 6km then 109g14 on emergancy in this game, 190As in game are fast up high, d9 is better on any alt then any 109G or F series in game and any 190A also ( if they dont use emergancy), but k4 is best on all alts still, and first choice for any alt to fight on, if there is K4 on map why would you play with anything els thats best axis prop airplane in game.

Edited March 27, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[Fran13]

2 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

even 190a5 is faster on combat abow 6km then 109g14 on emergancy in this game, 190As in game are fast up high, d9 is better on any alt then any 109G or F series in game and any 190A also ( if they dont use emergancy), but k4 is best on all alts still, and first choice for any alt to fight on, if there is K4 on map why would you play with anything els thats best axis prop airplane in game.

 

Because the mk103 is not as good as the 20 IMO.

[GSP_Hund]

G14, I label it a super fighter for it's ability to dogfight and the engine run almost non-stop @ max power setting for extended period of time.  However, I do love the 190D9 as well for it's brute power, but it still has that 190 characteristic of dropping wing and stalling if not careful.

[DD_Arthur]

21 minutes ago, GSP_Hund said:

G14, I label it a super fighter for it's ability to dogfight and the engine run almost non-stop @ max power setting for extended period of time.  

 

Agree very much.  Also has the much more useful 20mm.   I haven't managed to find the time to explore the Dora too much yet.

[PatrickAWlson]

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

Agree very much.  Also has the much more useful 20mm.   I haven't managed to find the time to explore the Dora too much yet.

 

C'mon, you need to explora the Dora ... Yum, yum ,yum, yum, yum! Delicioso!

[sevenless]

For me clearly it is the Dora, but I´m an FW-Fanboy anyways ?

[Gambit21]

6 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

... if there is K4 on map why would you play with anything els thats best axis prop airplane in game.

 

Well...you're only considering the ego driven or "E-Sports" type.

Not a guy like me who's simply interested in WWII aviation and likes certain aircraft for other reasons.

 

Historically I will take what I like - then end.

If I was currently online and found myself flying German I'd take an A5, and A8 or a Dora and that would be depended on the mission type that I was in the mood to fly.

Most likely mud moving.

 

I've just always like 190's and the Dora.

 

If it's a 109 it will be an E but I'd rather fly the Rata.

 

Not everyone is concerned with stats or the "LOLz I killed you haha!" factor...although I realize that the current online environment might cater to that a bit.

 

 

[Legioneod]

7 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

even 190a5 is faster on combat abow 6km then 109g14 on emergancy in this game, 190As in game are fast up high, d9 is better on any alt then any 109G or F series in game and any 190A also ( if they dont use emergancy), but k4 is best on all alts still, and first choice for any alt to fight on, if there is K4 on map why would you play with anything els thats best axis prop airplane in game.

 

I don't have much time in the D9 but I'm liking it alot more than the K4. The K4 is fast and maneuverable but not both at the same time (for the most part), whereas the D9 still maintains it's maneuverability at higher speeds from what I can tell. Overall I think the D9 is better than the K4 at mid-low altitudes and the K4 is better up high just because it can maintain speed. If the D9 could maintain a good speed up high then I'd prefer it over any other German fighter in-game.

Edited March 28, 2019 by Legioneod

[CountZero]

52 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Well...you're only considering the ego driven or "E-Sports" type.

Not a guy like me who's simply interested in WWII aviation and likes certain aircraft for other reasons.

 

Historically I will take what I like - then end.

If I was currently online and found myself flying German I'd take an A5, and A8 or a Dora and that would be depended on the mission type that I was in the mood to fly.

Most likely mud moving.

 

I've just always like 190's and the Dora.

 

If it's a 109 it will be an E but I'd rather fly the Rata.

 

Not everyone is concerned with stats or the "LOLz I killed you haha!" factor...although I realize that the current online environment might cater to that a bit.

 

 

for that one tends to fly ju88, you cant get 15 kills in one sortie in any other airplane, 1.98K4 cant do what deadliest bomber in game can when it comes to statz farming ?

 

http://il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/en/sortie/4167066/?tour=46

http://il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/en/sortie/4162483/?tour=46

http://il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/en/sortie/4134593/?tour=46

http://il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008/en/sortie/4175156/?tour=46

 

[CUJO_1970]

Dora-9...really the developers did a stellar job with this aircraft.

 

You take it over the Kurfurst because of it's roll rate, it's incredible high-speed maneuverability and those 250 20mm cannon rounds near the nose.

 

The Kurfurst had reached it's development potential. The Dora-9 was just getting started.

[Gambit21]

33 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

...when it comes to statz farming ?

 

 

That got a laugh out of me.

I'm going to keep that one...Stat Farmer...lol

[Jaws2002]

10 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Ze D

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The D-9 barely improved the critical altitude of the 190, thanks to it's one stage two-speed supercharger.

The "definitive" Doras* (D-11, D-12 and D-13) did recieve the Jumo 213F** with it's two stage three-speed supercharger were as good as any allied fighter at high altitudes.

Projected versions equipped with the Jumo 213EB (with an intercooler fitting into the Dora cowling and optimized cooling-petals) would likely been up there with the best the Allies had to offer.

 

It's not the airframe that was the letdown, it was the colossal early-to-mid war engine-development *beep*-up the Germans thought they could afford for themselves.

Had the DB603 and the Jumo been available in late 1943 (which could have been achievable), the year 1944 might have taken a slightly different turn in terms of aerial warfare.

 

___

* Those would actually have been the D-14 and D-15, which were supposed to be powered by the DB603LA, but were cancelled early on for some unconcievable reason.

** The intercooler-equipped Jumo 213E wasn't ready for prime-time yet and it did have issues fitting into the original Dora airframe.

 

The Germans did have the DB-603 in time, they just wasted them on Zerstorers.

 Hitler gave the DB-603 engines to Willy Messerschmitt to waste them in his Me210/410.

Foke Wulf was told to use Jumo engines instead. The problem was that, while the FW-190 conversion to DB-603 engines was straight forward, adapting the FW190 to the Jumo was a lot more complicated.

That's why,  you have the B and C versions flying in 1942 and the Jumo powered version didn't show up until late 1944.

If it wasn't for the me210/410, they could have had the DB603 powered Foke Wulf in service, in numbers,  by mid 1943.

Edited March 28, 2019 by Jaws2002

[MiloMorai]

Didn't the Me210 use DB605 engines?

 

German a/c engine production.

[Kurfurst]

3 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

 

The Germans did have the DB-603 in time, they just wasted them on Zerstorers.

 Hitler gave the DB-603 engines to Willy Messerschmitt to waste them in his Me210/410.

Foke Wulf was told to use Jumo engines instead. The problem was that, while the FW-190 conversion to DB-603 engines was straight forward, adapting the FW190 to the Jumo was a lot more complicated.

That's why,  you have the B and C versions flying in 1942 and the Jumo powered version didn't show up until late 1944.

If it wasn't for the me210/410, they could have had the DB603 powered Foke Wulf in service, in numbers,  by mid 1943.

 

I have some doubts about this, given that the 603 and Jumo 213 were near equivalents, both in their power outputs and in installation. They were meant to be each others alternatives. Though the 213 looked a bigger brute when you see them both in real life next to each other.

 

IMO Wheter the 190 series had the 603 or the 213 did not matter much, and like in the case the 262’s 004, these engines may have not been fully developed by 1943. Probably the reason why twin engined aircraft got them first..

 

 

[Stryker07]

I am really enjoying the Dora, an absolute blast to fly. My kids and my girlfriends kids were watching me fly both the Dora and Anton offline. When I got into a spot of trouble down low with the Dora versus some Yaks I was able to get the nose below the horizon and pour on the coal and I was gone, able to extend and the climb to turn around and re-engage. In the Anton I didn't have the speed, tried to get above them, and killed my engine. I love 109s, I really am a 109 fanboy, but this Dora is hot!

[JonRedcorn]

I personally like the g-14 as it is based on the ones we have in game, it's like the full sweetened 109. Has all the bells and whistles, the k4's like a stripped out kit race car, the g-14 is like the Audi R-18.

 

The dora is a Frankenstein monstrosity, brute.

Edited March 28, 2019 by JonRedcorn