external fuel tanks

[336th_Porkie-]

allied fighters did carry them.

i'd like to carry full external fuel tanks and less than 50% fuel in main fuel tanks. that way when i drop them i'd be at lighter weight, and still have the fuel to loiter over an objective or escort. 

i would think this was already thought of and actually used in WW2.

[6FG_Big_Al]

Hi, that could be interesting for you than:

 

https://stormbirds.blog/2019/02/24/managing-fuel-in-il-2/

[TP_Silk]

I'm still hoping for drop tanks when Bodenplatte is released. Some of the German units needed them to reach their objectives and get back to German lines on that attack.

[Gambit21]

On 3/23/2019 at 3:37 PM, -325th-Porky- said:

... i'd be at lighter weight, and still have the fuel to loiter over an objective or escort.

 

Not that I don’t like the idea of drop tanks, but with the map that we're getting you can do this without drop tanks.

 

 

[Legioneod]

31 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Not that I don’t like the idea of drop tanks, but with the map that we're getting you can do this without drop tanks.

 

 

True but I do like the idea of a little extra fuel when needed. I know I've run low sometimes just by cruising around, especially in the P-47.

I find myself using more fuel than I'd like just getting to a favorable altitude, plus by the time I fly to targets and patrol areas fuel gets used pretty quick.

 

I could just fly more economical but I like to stay as fast as possible in multiplayer, especially with the Jugs poor engine limits.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It’s on the DEV’s to do list but there is no stated timeframe.

[CountZero]

They are still unneccesary, and you learn more how to manage your fuel to stay in air for 2-3h without them. And like OP say they would just be used for gamy stuff, take P-51s or 109s with 20% fuel and DTs, and drop them to outturn oponents saw this constantly in il-2 1946, only time they get used properly is in SP or some events, for MP they are not needed, as most would just use them like op to take less fuel in airplane to make it more manoverable, not realy to extend their flying time in one sortie.

[Bert_Foster]

28 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

They are still unneccesary, and you learn more how to manage your fuel to stay in air for 2-3h without them. And like OP say they would just be used for gamy stuff, take P-51s or 109s with 20% fuel and DTs, and drop them to outturn oponents saw this constantly in il-2 1946, only time they get used properly is in SP or some events, for MP they are not needed, as most would just use them like op to take less fuel in airplane to make it more manoverable, not realy to extend their flying time in one sortie.

Easily fixed by accurate C of G implementation, true Fuel Feed sequencing and of course accurate fuel flows ...... all of which imo are debatable in the current FM's and EM's

[CountZero]

7 hours ago, Bert_Foster said:

Easily fixed by accurate C of G implementation, true Fuel Feed sequencing and of course accurate fuel flows ...... all of which imo are debatable in the current FM's and EM's

Didnt devs say they take care about fuel amount effect on CoG, and that fuel gets emptyed like in real airplanes if they have multiple tanks, only thing we dont have is ability to select for our self what tank to use(also totaly unneccesary when game already dose it correctly), its all automaticly done already.

[Gambit21]

9 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

They are still unneccesary, and you learn more how to manage your fuel to stay in air for 2-3h without them. And like OP say they would just be used for gamy stuff, take P-51s or 109s with 20% fuel and DTs, and drop them to outturn oponents saw this constantly in il-2 1946, only time they get used properly is in SP or some events, for MP they are not needed, as most would just use them like op to take less fuel in airplane to make it more manoverable, not realy to extend their flying time in one sortie.

 

Yep OP just wants to game the game.

[Legioneod]

Easy way to fix this is to require full fuel load when using drop tanks. Problem solved. 

[Eisenfaustus]

I'd like them in my current moscow jagdflieger campaign - escorting bombers from Dugino airfield to targets north of Rezhev is a long long march...

On one sortie I weaved to keep air speed up and without meeting any russian fighters I still landed only on fumes...

Next escort I matched bomber speed to save fuel and was at a serious deisadavantage when interceptors arrived - landed with fuel in the plane but holes in engine and pilot...

Drop tanks would resolve this dilemma - that or my gruppenkommandeur finally moving to an airfield closer to the front...

 

Does anybody know wether the jagdgruppen actually operated from airfields that far from the front for such a long time as presented in moscow career? The targets for the kampfgeschwader are farther away from fighter air fields than London was from Calais!

[ACG_KaiLae]

19 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

They are still unneccesary, and you learn more how to manage your fuel to stay in air for 2-3h without them. And like OP say they would just be used for gamy stuff, take P-51s or 109s with 20% fuel and DTs, and drop them to outturn oponents saw this constantly in il-2 1946, only time they get used properly is in SP or some events, for MP they are not needed, as most would just use them like op to take less fuel in airplane to make it more manoverable, not realy to extend their flying time in one sortie.

 

Well, you could ask 27-2 if they would have liked them in our last mission, since most of the squadron ran out of fuel:

 

https://www.aircombatgroup.co.uk/acg-pam/reportVVS.php?r_id=16127

[Dutchvdm]

21 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

And like OP say they would just be used for gamy stuff, take P-51s or 109s with 20% fuel and DTs, and drop them to outturn oponents.

 

If they correctly model the droptank on the 109 that would not be possible. Don't know about the P-51. 

 

Grt M

[MiloMorai]

Didn't the fuel from drop tank(s) on German aircraft feed to the main fuel tank?

[CountZero]

4 hours ago, ACG_Kai_Lae said:

 

Well, you could ask 27-2 if they would have liked them in our last mission, since most of the squadron ran out of fuel:

 

https://www.aircombatgroup.co.uk/acg-pam/reportVVS.php?r_id=16127

MiG3 didnt have option to have droptanks as far i know, so only thing that would help them is learn how to manage their fuel, they can fly 2 and half h in that airplane.But like i say in post you qote, only in events for MP they can be used properly, and acg runs just that. So im sure in your campaign they would be used properly, but in other servers or wars it would just be abused like heck. But like others say if you cant take DT if you dont have 100% fuel then im all for it, give the ppl as many DT they can take.

[Dutchvdm]

1 hour ago, MiloMorai said:

Didn't the fuel from drop tank(s) on German aircraft feed to the main fuel tank?

 

For the 109 it does. So the game the game argument is not relevant.

 

grt M

[MiloMorai]

11 minutes ago, I./ZG1_Dutchvdm said:

 

For the 109 it does. So the game the game argument is not relevant.

 

grt M

So for the 109 the fuselage tank should always be full until there is no fuel in the drop tank to keep filling the fuselage tank?

[Legioneod]

10 minutes ago, MiloMorai said:

So for the 109 the fuselage tank should always be full until there is no fuel in the drop tank to keep filling the fuselage tank?

Yes. If others are worried about "gaming" the game then they could just force full fuel when using drop tanks.

[BlitzPig_EL]

This was widely done in the original IL2 with the P51.  Take 25% fuel and drop tanks.   The external tanks in the old sim would be drawn from first so you could patrol for quite some time, then once in combat, drop the tanks and have enough fuel for combat and still be able to get home.

 

There isn't a map in the game, then or now, that would require drop tanks on the P51 if you took 100% internal fuel, but it was a way to simulate being at the end of a long escort mission then encountering enemy interceptors.

Edited March 28, 2019 by BlitzPig_EL

[novicebutdeadly]

On 3/28/2019 at 11:22 PM, BlitzPig_EL said:

This was widely done in the original IL2 with the P51.  Take 25% fuel and drop tanks.   The external tanks in the old sim would be drawn from first so you could patrol for quite some time, then once in combat, drop the tanks and have enough fuel for combat and still be able to get home.

 

There isn't a map in the game, then or now, that would require drop tanks on the P51 if you took 100% internal fuel, but it was a way to simulate being at the end of a long escort mission then encountering enemy interceptors.

I remember doing this with 109's back in il2 1946

Though IRL I don't think you could do this (in the 109), because as far as I'm aware the external fuel tank on the 109's (and other German planes??) fed into the main tank (in a topping up kind of set up), 

So the main tank remained FULL until the drop tank was empty