Thinking through a semi-simpit setup?

[Voyager]

I'm thinking I would like to put together a partial simpit for Il-2 GB and other flight sims, and looking for ideas and suggestions.

 

The objective aircraft is the P-47, in a VR headset. I'm currently using a CH Fighterstick, Pro Pedals, Throttle Quadrant and Pro Throttle. Ultimately, I'd like to go to a floor mounted stick, rudder pedals with a more correct pedal spacing, and both with aircraft level maximum deflection forces (i.e. 30-60lb range for the stick, 50-100lbs range for the rudder pedals), with (optimally) some degree of force feedback control to the centering force (Basically, so the stick and rudder have low forces on the ground or at low speeds, and full forces at higher speeds).

 

I'd also like to find some sort of trim box, sort of like what the US fighters would have for trimming, that I could use for the fine trim controls, and, eventually, a throttle quadrant that can support buttons on the throttle lever, so I can add the key commands there, while still having the turbo, prop and mixture close at hand.

 

What I'm not sure is, what is really out there, and what the options are? Does Il-2 support Force Feedback? Are there any of the stick vendors that make bases or rudder pedals that can support very high forces? Has anyone even heard of a company that does trim wheel boxes? 

 

Thoughts? Suggestions?

 

Thank you,

 

Harry Voyager

Edited March 23, 2019 by Voyager

[Alonzo]

IL2 does support force feedback, yes. For non-FFB sticks I know the Virpil has interchangeable cams and springs that can increase required tension, especially at full deflection. Bear in mind that a full length stick will be easier to deflect since you have more distance from the pivot point.

 

MFG Crosswind pedals have interchangeable springs for tension but I suspect 60lb is not going to come out of the box.

 

Ive just talked about hardware I own here, I’m sure there are lots more options too.

[Voyager]

I did run into an interesting system someone else used to greatly extend their joystick length: https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/content.php?2098-How-ToBuild-A-Floor-Mounted-Joystick

 

I'm thinking something using that concept could be implemented using something like the Virpril interchangeable bases, which would also shift the high force location to the upper pivot point, rather than the main joystick. 

[IRRE_Axurit]

The idea is good, but certainly limited in sensations.

I think VIRPIL seems more suited to the application of radial forces.
The warthog too, but with the expectation of replacing the spherical piece with something more solid.

 

I'm going this afternoon looking for material that will allow me to create a resistance effort on my long stick.
But for the moment this resistance can only be adjusted manually, and will not react with the game.
But I hope to make it possible.

And the system I want to develop can easily be adapted to MFG or TM

 

The big problem is the software part.

[Voyager]

Any thought on the VKB sticks? I'm trying to figure out who the different players are in the high end stick market and whose parts interchange with what. 

 

Do any of the interchangeable stick makers do any F-16 style sticks? That's what my CH is based off of, and I don't want to give up the pinky button before I've got a throttle built up. (I'm using it for "push to talk" coms)

[IRRE_Axurit]

VKB is it seems to me of construction quite similar to VIRPIL.

VKB offers different grips and extensions, but it only fits VKB bases.

VIRPIL and warthog have compatible grips, and for the extension, you can give it the length and shape you want, then it's you who make it.

[Sokol1]

46 minutes ago, Voyager said:

Do any of the interchangeable stick makers do any F-16 style sticks? 

 

No, but F-16 style sticks are made almost to exhaustion in the last 20+ years: CH FigherStick, Thrustmaster F-16LFCS, F-22PRO, Cougar, Warthog (throttle is based on A-10, but stick no) are all based on F-16 stick.

 

All this sticks - some with electronic/mechanics modifications, can be used in VirPil base (gimbal) without much "fuzzi-uzi".

 

[Voyager]

Ok. Thinking through this, I'm probably going to want to see if I can track down a thrustmaster warthog stick without the base, and pair it up with the Virpril base, then see about identifying a couple many axis controllers to rebuild into the trim box/left bay controls, and another one for the throttle quadrant. 

 

Are there good sources for those sorts of parts? I'm thinking given the number of axis each need it might be viable to start from a pair of CH Throttle quadrants? 

 

Or maybe these guys? https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/projects.html

 

 

Edited March 28, 2019 by Voyager