Odyssey Plus worth the 350?

[JonRedcorn]

I am so sick and tired of the oculus software, the shitty resolution and all the crap I have to run to get it working the way I want. Really I just absolutely cannot stand their software. I am about to grab a odyssey plus off the microsoft website since they have the cheapest price, anyone with one that upgraded from an older headset can chime in if the screens are worth it? The rift-s that's supposed to come out some time in the next 20 years sounds insanely unimpressive, lcd screens, no ipd adjustment, same tracking as odyssey, same or lower res, no sde tech, I just don't see the point in waiting. The only thing maybe worth waiting for is the mythical Valve HMD. I am not really into the pimax since it's just way too expensive. Maybe if I already had the vive and lighthouses it'd be considerable.

 

Is the odyssey plus worth it?

Edited March 2, 2019 by JonRedcorn

[-332FG-Gordon200]

14 minutes ago, JonRedcorn said:

Is the odyssey plus worth it?

Definitely worth it. I'm very happy with mine.

I too was dissatisfied with the SDE of the Rift and their software. I had nothing but trouble between Oculus and Steam conflicting so did as you are suggesting and got myself an Odyssey+ during Black Friday sale last year.

I've been very happy with my O+ and do not regret switching. However, the Rift was more comfortable I must admit. The Odyssey+ has a headband that is circular and will not adjust for a head larger than 7 1/2" hat size. My head is not an orb so I feel pressure on my forehead and little to none above my ears. Speaking of ears - the audio of the Odyssey+ is excellent and the speakers are nicely padded.

I hesitate to make a blanket statement that one is better since beauty is in the eyes of the user pilot. In my case the colors are brighter. The larger pixels eliminate most of the screen door and the screen - the lines between pixels - is blacker and better defined.

Try one on for comfort if you can. The rigid headband may not be to your liking. 

[dburne]

Well I don't think any details on the upcoming Rift S have been officially revealed yet.

But I can understand, who knows when it will happen. I am hoping for this year sometime.

 

[JonRedcorn]

3 minutes ago, Gordon200 said:

Definitely worth it. I'm very happy with mine.

I too was dissatisfied with the SDE of the Rift and their software. I had nothing but trouble between Oculus and Steam conflicting so did as you are suggesting and got myself an Odyssey+ during Black Friday sale last year.

I've been very happy with my O+ and do not regret switching. However, the Rift was more comfortable I must admit. The Odyssey+ has a headband that is circular and will not adjust for a head larger than 7 1/2" hat size. My head is not an orb so I feel pressure on my forehead and little to none above my ears. Speaking of ears - the audio of the Odyssey+ is excellent and the speakers are nicely padded.

I hesitate to make a blanket statement that one is better since beauty is in the eyes of the user pilot. In my case the colors are brighter. The larger pixels eliminate most of the screen door and the screen - the lines between pixels - is blacker and better defined.

Try one on for comfort if you can. The rigid headband may not be to your liking. 

Yeah that's my only hesitation with it is the headband, there's a microsoft store not too far from my house I wonder if they have any to try there.

9 minutes ago, dburne said:

Well I don't think any details on the upcoming Rift S have been officially revealed yet.

But I can understand, who knows when it will happen. I am hoping for this year sometime.

 

If we had any type of confirmation of anything that'd be nice, but all we get is silence, we know the quest is coming before it so it could be this year could be next year, who the hell knows. Tired of waiting around for oculus to do something.

[SCG_motoadve]

I upgraded from the Rift to Odyssey +

 

Negative:

Smaller sweet spot than Rift

Not as comfortable as Rift, actually really uncomfortable.

 

Plus

Much better image, colors, resolution you see lots more details from the air, and even runs smoother, needed some tweaking (using lower IPD) and lower SS, more made it look worse for some reason.

 

If you add the aftermarket velour it becomes comfortable , and lenses being closer to the eyes, helped increase sweet spot by a lot.

Right now best bang for the buck no doubt.

[JonRedcorn]

1 hour ago, II./JG77_motoadve said:

I upgraded from the Rift to Odyssey +

 

Negative:

Smaller sweet spot than Rift

Not as comfortable as Rift, actually really uncomfortable.

 

Plus

Much better image, colors, resolution you see lots more details from the air, and even runs smoother, needed some tweaking (using lower IPD) and lower SS, more made it look worse for some reason.

 

If you add the aftermarket velour it becomes comfortable , and lenses being closer to the eyes, helped increase sweet spot by a lot.

Right now best bang for the buck no doubt.

Think it really depends on your head shape, watched a review on youtube, and the guy said the sweetspot was much larger, and that the FOV was much higher. Those two things are a big plus. Just debating now whether to drive the hour to the mall in Tampa or just order it off the internet.

[-332FG-Gordon200]

52 minutes ago, JonRedcorn said:

Think it really depends on your head shape, watched a review on youtube, and the guy said the sweetspot was much larger, and that the FOV was much higher. Those two things are a big plus. Just debating now whether to drive the hour to the mall in Tampa or just order it off the internet.

I'd call the Microsoft shop to make certain if discomfort is a 'defect'.

https://www.samsung.com/us/support/customer-shopping-faqs/#questionID20

 

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Returns

Samsung will accept for return, defective or unopened merchandise purchased at Samsung.com/US, within 30 days of purchase including 15 days to receive your RMA and 15 days to ship back the product. All merchandise returned to Samsung must be in the original packaging with all original items (such as manuals, remotes, cables, etc.) accompanying the merchandise and a copy of the invoice/packing slip included to be eligible for return.

 

Edited March 3, 2019 by Gordon200

[Dagwoodyt]

I am seeing the Odyssey on MS website for $350, not the Odyssey+. If correct, that is a good deal. The original Odyssey is what i'm using. My Odyssey + is in cupboard as a backup.

[-332FG-Gordon200]

42 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

I am seeing the Odyssey on MS website for $350, not the Odyssey+. If correct, that is a good deal. The original Odyssey is what i'm using. My Odyssey + is in cupboard as a backup.

https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/hmd/windows-mixed-reality/hmd-odyssey-windows-mixed-reality-headset-xe800zba-hc1us/

[Dagwoodyt]

22 minutes ago, Gordon200 said:

https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/hmd/windows-mixed-reality/hmd-odyssey-windows-mixed-reality-headset-xe800zba-hc1us/

Yes, thx for pointing me to that ad. Having access to both I think the original Odyssey would be a better buy, even for $350.00.

[Dutch2]

Whatever you compare it is all low and primitive, while the vive & rift is gen1, the O+ gen1.2 and the Pimax gen1.5 .

We all waiting for the gen2 with a decent FOV, light&wireless, no godrays, no SDE, no addition lighthouses/ beacons and can run 90fps straight on a midrange Vcard. All those techniques are available as hardware or as redering software only not in one gear or collecting dust. 

[Solmyr]

10 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Yes, thx for pointing me to that ad. Having access to both I think the original Odyssey would be a better buy, even for $350.00.

 

I don't get you, are you saying that you'd prefer the O over the O+ ??

 

5 hours ago, Dutch2 said:

Whatever you compare it is all low and primitive, while the vive & rift is gen1, the O+ gen1.2 and the Pimax gen1.5 .

We all waiting for the gen2 with a decent FOV, light&wireless, no godrays, no SDE, no addition lighthouses/ beacons and can run 90fps straight on a midrange Vcard. All those techniques are available as hardware or as redering software only not in one gear or collecting dust. 

 

For this dreamed stuff gen 3.0 or 4.0 you can wait for 15-20 years ?..

Edited March 3, 2019 by Solmyr

[JonRedcorn]

11 hours ago, Gordon200 said:

https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/hmd/windows-mixed-reality/hmd-odyssey-windows-mixed-reality-headset-xe800zba-hc1us/

Samsung won't ship it till the end of march at which point I don't even know if their 30 day return policy would be valid since it states 30 days from time of purchase.

 

11 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

I am seeing the Odyssey on MS website for $350, not the Odyssey+. If correct, that is a good deal. The original Odyssey is what i'm using. My Odyssey + is in cupboard as a backup.

I am debating this as well, I rather have a little SDE and a clearer picture than less with a blurry picture. Plus the old odyssey is even cheaper.

[Dagwoodyt]

4 hours ago, JonRedcorn said:

Samsung won't ship it till the end of march at which point I don't even know if their 30 day return policy would be valid since it states 30 days from time of purchase.

 

I am debating this as well, I rather have a little SDE and a clearer picture than less with a blurry picture. Plus the old odyssey is even cheaper.

Smearing of objects at periphery was a problem with my “+” so FOV advantage of “+” over Rift seemed mostly wasted. There is still some SDE effect with the “+”, just seemed like a finer mesh. I think that the 63mm ipd minimum of the “+” is a warning sign that customer comfort may not have been high on priority list during “+” development.

[JonRedcorn]

4 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Smearing of objects at periphery was a problem with my “+” so FOV advantage of “+” over Rift seemed mostly wasted. There is still some SDE effect with the “+”, just seemed like a finer mesh. I think that the 63mm ipd minimum of the “+” is a warning sign that customer comfort may not have been high on priority list during “+” development.

Think I am going to try the plus model, will pick up a VR cover for it and see how it goes. From the through the lens pictures I saw the difference between this and the oculus rift is like night and day. The colors are insane, the clarity is insane and the comfort issues can mostly be dealt with through the use of various VR lense cover choices as I have read. Might be useful to look into in your case as well.

 

370 at checkout on the microsoft website.

 

https://forums.mudspike.com/t/our-samsung-odyssey-first-impressions-tips-and-tricks/7191/161

 

That's the thread with a ton of pics and it makes the rift look like crap. That thread pretty much just sold me samsung should get in touch with that guy and send him a gift card.

Edited March 3, 2019 by JonRedcorn

[[CPT]Crunch]

Samsung won't charge your card till it ships, so your fine in that department. 

 

Bought one for the same price on Black Friday, passed the rift on.  Very happy with it's display and over all performance, the fit took a while to get used to and break in, also have a field mod strap for support.  Had to play about with settings on card and in game to find the best balance, so be patient, in the end it's worth it of your a VR diehard.  The rift got tiring with blur and the constant haze of the screen door, no way or hope to ever get rid of it, this comes close with an added bonus of greater vertical FOV, more like horse blinders than binoculars.

 

Price ain't bad, it's competitive with the top stuff as far as displays, and is still new enough to have room on the software side for growth with WMR.  I'm pretty sure oculus has completed it's transformation into facebook, and don't care about what we want any more.  That and the $6 billion they had to shill out to Luckey to keep his mouth shut, that's a bit more than just a minor set back. 

Edited March 3, 2019 by [CPT]Crunch

[JonRedcorn]

6 minutes ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Samsung won't charge your card till it ships, so your fine in that department. 

 

Bought one for the same price on Black Friday, passed the rift on.  Very happy with it's display and over all performance, the fit took a while to get used to and break in, also have a field mod strap for support.  Had to play about with settings on card and in game to find the best balance, so be patient, in the end it's worth it of your a VR diehard.  The rift got tiring with blur and the constant haze of the screen door, no way or hope to ever get rid of it, this comes close with an added bonus of greater vertical FOV, more like horse blinders than binoculars.

 

Price ain't bad, it's competitive with the top stuff as far as displays, and is still new enough to have room on the software side for growth with WMR.  I'm pretty sure oculus has completed it's transformation into facebook, and don't care about what we want any more.  That and the $6 billion they had to shill out to Luckey to keep his mouth shut, that's a bit more than just a minor set back. 

Yeah, trust me I am not holding my breath for anything coming out of oculus at this point. They are fixated on cheap headsets for the masses and that's fine. Just not for me. After about 300 hours in il2 in the rift this thing will hopefully be a breath of fresh air. The rifts display just isn't nearly good enough.

 

Also true next gen VR IMO is years away still. We keep seeing these super high res displays but nothing can run them, even pimax is pushing the boundary of what current tech is capable of, so in the meantime grabbing one of these is probably my best bet.

 

Update, I ordered it off the microsoft store, was a bit more expensive than from samsung, but they have a 30 day return policy as well and honestly I don't think I am going to need it anyways. Cheers fellas.

Edited March 3, 2019 by JonRedcorn

[Dutch2]

7 hours ago, Solmyr said:

 

 

 

 

For this dreamed stuff gen 3.0 or 4.0 you can wait for 15-20 years ?..

Nope as I did say all the technique or software is available for rev2, only the hole VR is going to another direction like hololens or whats calling XR. 

[Alonzo]

Over Christmas I wanted to demo an Odyssey+ at the Microsoft store (I live in Canada). They couldn't do a demo but I could try on the headset. I said I really needed a demo to see if it was any better than the Rift I already had, and they suggested I buy it and return it if not happy. I didn't actually do that, but it's one way you might get around the need to try before committing.

[JonRedcorn]

1 hour ago, Alonzo said:

Over Christmas I wanted to demo an Odyssey+ at the Microsoft store (I live in Canada). They couldn't do a demo but I could try on the headset. I said I really needed a demo to see if it was any better than the Rift I already had, and they suggested I buy it and return it if not happy. I didn't actually do that, but it's one way you might get around the need to try before committing.

Already purchased! Got 30 days to give it a try if I don't like it can just return it to the Microsoft store. Should be here Wednesday. Can't wait.

[Solmyr]

9 hours ago, JonRedcorn said:

Already purchased! Got 30 days to give it a try if I don't like it can just return it to the Microsoft store. Should be here Wednesday. Can't wait.

 

O or O+ ?

What is the shop exactly plz ? I'm so jealous as I ordered mine about 10 days ago at B&H and it's still in backorder. ?

[JonRedcorn]

1 hour ago, Solmyr said:

 

O or O+ ?

What is the shop exactly plz ? I'm so jealous as I ordered mine about 10 days ago at B&H and it's still in backorder. ?

I got the O+ from the Microsoft website. They had offered expidited shipping for free should be here wednesday. I did pay 370 for it though. Was 349 plus 20 in tax. Could of got it cheaper off the Samsung site but it's not in stock and won't ship till the end of the month. 

[HunDread]

57 minutes ago, JonRedcorn said:

I got the O+ from the Microsoft website. They had offered expidited shipping for free should be here wednesday. I did pay 370 for it though. Was 349 plus 20 in tax. Could of got it cheaper off the Samsung site but it's not in stock and won't ship till the end of the month. 

 

Looking forward for your review. And for Samsung to start selling this stuff in Europe... (but I have a feeling this is not going to happen)

Edited March 4, 2019 by Black_Sab

[Solmyr]

1 hour ago, JonRedcorn said:

I got the O+ from the Microsoft website. They had offered expidited shipping for free should be here wednesday. I did pay 370 for it though. Was 349 plus 20 in tax. Could of got it cheaper off the Samsung site but it's not in stock and won't ship till the end of the month. 

 

Do you live in USA ? It seems microsoft.com/us doesn't want to ship to Europe..

Sad as this offer would have beaten the one found. I'm at 375 euros (all included) but they're out of stock right now.

[JonRedcorn]

On 3/4/2019 at 9:47 AM, Solmyr said:

 

Do you live in USA ? It seems microsoft.com/us doesn't want to ship to Europe..

Sad as this offer would have beaten the one found. I'm at 375 euros (all included) but they're out of stock right now.

Yeah I am in the US, should be here at any hour now, it's on the truck just waiting for it to come down my street!! I am super stoked.

[ClarkFable]

FWIW, I added an extra top of the head strap for the Odyssey using parts from an old GOPro head mount (basically it mimics the top strap of the Rift).   It made a huge difference in the comfort levels of the Odyssey.  Before I made the adjustment, the stabbing pain in my forehead made it unwearable after about 3o minutes.  Now I can go hours. And I really love the IQ over my Rift. The increased resolution and contrast (the contrast might make the biggest difference of anything) make going back to the Rift very disappointing. 

[JonRedcorn]

7 hours ago, ClarkFable said:

FWIW, I added an extra top of the head strap for the Odyssey using parts from an old GOPro head mount (basically it mimics the top strap of the Rift).   It made a huge difference in the comfort levels of the Odyssey.  Before I made the adjustment, the stabbing pain in my forehead made it unwearable after about 3o minutes.  Now I can go hours. And I really love the IQ over my Rift. The increased resolution and contrast (the contrast might make the biggest difference of anything) make going back to the Rift very disappointing. 

Yeah I played with it all day today, I will write my thoughts on it tomorrow probably, I must say the one thing that disappoints me the most is the comfort/fitment. More on that tomorrow though.

[JohnHolmes]

Im really keen to hear your views on the PLUS. Im almost there in pulling the trigger but am concerned with the performance I will get from a 

 

Alienware17 R4

i7-780HK Clockspeed: 2.9 GHz Turbo Speed: 3.9 GHz

GTX 1080

RAM 16gb

Edited March 7, 2019 by JohnHolmes

[lightbulbjim]

48 minutes ago, JohnHolmes said:

Im really keen to hear your views on the PLUS. Im almost there in pulling the trigger but am concerned with the performance I will get from a 

 

Alienware17 R4

i7-780HK Clockspeed: 2.9 GHz Turbo Speed: 3.9 GHz

GTX 1080

RAM 16gb

That CPU is going to struggle.

[=RS=GiantPLANK]

3 hours ago, JohnHolmes said:

Im really keen to hear your views on the PLUS. Im almost there in pulling the trigger but am concerned with the performance I will get from a 

 

Alienware17 R4

i7-780HK Clockspeed: 2.9 GHz Turbo Speed: 3.9 GHz

GTX 1080

RAM 16gb

 

i bought the O+ too same time as OP.  my CPU is even WORSE i5 - 4460!! 3.2GHz.  Once i get my O+ next week ill try to give you all a performance/FPS report.  my GPU is GTX970 FYI.  im expecting lame results, but excited nontheless.

4 hours ago, JonRedcorn said:

Yeah I played with it all day today, I will write my thoughts on it tomorrow probably, I must say the one thing that disappoints me the most is the comfort/fitment. More on that tomorrow though.

looking forward to your thoughts.  Worried about the comfort thing though. ominous!  if its anyhting like the PSVR ill be ok, i didnt find that uncomfotable for the 1 hour i used it.

 

I got motion sick pretty easy with that one tho. so 30min-40min is enough for me right now.

[Solmyr]

Hey guys ! I just got my O+ yesterday at last !!

 

Am very happy of course but in the same time I had to deal with some problems at my PC's end (water cooling to be sent in after sale, has been replaced by a brand new one).

I didn't test it at all untill now, apart from trying to wear it out of the box : sure that comfort will not be its strenght ! Why the hell didn't they setup a top longitudinal rubber band to handle most of the weight ?? I probably will have to buy/DIY a "field" mod.. In addition my glasses are quite big and it looks like it will be tough to keep them on my nose while wearing it. Will come back on those aspects later in a more decent "pre-review"...

 

Have fun with Dora !