Why I really want the Tempest

[CountZero]

4 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

There were only few pilots who had the balls, dedication or wonder of what would happen if you did this or that and experiment.

Encouragement of those who wouldn't try by themselves was down to the squad-leaders.

 

Thinking outside the box is usually not encouraged by a system that drills compliance to procedures from day one. There is only one "right way" to fly - be it by the recommended procedures set in the Flight Manual or be it procedures thought up in squadrons. Tactics were mostly down to the squadrons and thus the use or lack thereof of flaps was most certainly discussed (or not) on a squadron level. That is apart from a few handful of pilots who tried anyway.

 

Ze Germans (TM) had those few pilots, too (see Marseille for example), but in general the use of tactics was down to how the squadron did things. A change in leadership often brought changes in tactics and procedures.

 

Also we can crash and get killed many times trying all kined of stuff, and also control airplanes like we have 3-4 hands with modern hotas and sticks. They can make most correct FM posible and still youll have weard things happening in game when your just playing with big advantages of modern hotas, no g forces on player and ability to learn what works how with no fear of death if one landing flap got stuck when you lovered it to mutch to low or try to go max stab up and so on.

Edited March 3, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[Hirachi]

The only reason i want one is so i can hear the engine .... sleeve valve engines 

 

[Bilbo_Baggins]

On 2/27/2019 at 5:58 PM, Ehret said:

 

Not so rare... it was quite common for the Mustang - you will find numerous entries in the "Use of flaps in combat" section. I recall that P-38 and some Japanese planes had been using flaps as well in combat.

 

What you are referring to with Japanese planes is in fact not a manual procedure. The machine renown for flaps in combat was the Shiden-Kai, Japan’s last fighter, and one of their only machines really fit for war (according to Jap pilots Zero-sen was a plane better suited for acrobatics, not battle). It had automatic flaps system that would deploy according to speed and angle of attack. Apparently it worked very well.

 

Since this topic has been brought up, I have a question I’d like to ask. The manual flap system of  BF109 machines in game can be deployed at any speed. With this type of flap shouldn’t there be a speed in which they rip off? Or should the wheel be immovable above a certain speed? 

 

Edited March 5, 2019 by Bilbo_Baggins

[ZachariasX]

2 hours ago, Bilbo_Baggins said:

With this type of flap shouldn’t there be a speed in which they rip off? Or should the wheel be immovable above a certain speed? 

Any flap gets torn off or damaged/stuck at a certain stage of deployment and speed. The only "maneuvering flaps" are the only flaps you are suposed to use at higher speeds, as they are specifically designed for that and they are built strong enogh. But even combat flaps get damaged when you deploy them further than the "combat setting". Stated maximum speeds for flaps AFAIR state max speed for full deployment.

 

The way the gearing is in the 109 I would expect you to be able to etend the flaps at speeds where you can damage/jam the linkage if you extend them too far at given higher speed.

[AWC]

On the original purpose of this thread, I cant wait for the Tempest. Ive always liked the Hawker line of aircraft, but the Tempest truly represents the pinnicle of their development. It had a super sleek design, combined with the huge power of its engine and a deadly armament. 

 

[7.GShAP/Silas]

10 hours ago, Bilbo_Baggins said:

 

What you are referring to with Japanese planes is in fact not a manual procedure. The machine renown for flaps in combat was the Shiden-Kai, Japan’s last fighter, and one of their only machines really fit for war...

 

 

What an amazing aircraft, really.  I hope we get to see it in future.

 

 

Was the Tempest used for ground attack?  I mean in a serious sense, rather than just strafing runs on targets of opportunity, etc.

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

7 minutes ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

 

Was the Tempest used for ground attack?  I mean in a serious sense, rather than just strafing runs on targets of opportunity, etc.

 

 

Not as much as Typhoons. It did on occasions, no doubt,  but its main role was low altitude air superiority and what was termed ‘Battlefield Air Interdiction’, which is basically making a nuisance of yourself and trying to avoid the lethal Jerry flak.

 

No doubt ideally all Typhoons would have been replaced by Tempests and flown on a range of operations.

[Voyager]

On 3/3/2019 at 9:17 AM, Heshima said:

The only reason i want one is so i can hear the engine .... sleeve valve engines 

 

I remember the unholy howl the Sabre would let loose when you went into WEP mode back in '46. While the jug is still my great love, that sound was incredible. 

[MiloMorai]

27 minutes ago, Voyager said:

I remember the unholy howl the Sabre would let loose when you went into WEP mode back in '46. While the jug is still my great love, that sound was incredible. 

 

Civilians living near Tempest airfields complained of the noise of Tempests being run up at night. Interrupted their beauty sleep.

[LukeFF]

2 hours ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

Was the Tempest used for ground attack?  I mean in a serious sense, rather than just strafing runs on targets of opportunity, etc.

 

Only one Tempest squadron used bombs operationally, and that was at the very, very end of the war in May 1945. 

[HBPencil]

4 hours ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

Was the Tempest used for ground attack?  I mean in a serious sense, rather than just strafing runs on targets of opportunity, etc.

 

Although it was all strafing (apart from the few bombing missions Luke mentioned), it nether the less was in a serious sense. They lost far more planes/pilots to ground fire than to the LW and shot up lots of MT, trains etc.

[-LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor]

I cant wait to strafe some trains in the tempest. Next to the P-38 its what i am most looking forward to in BoBp.

[Diggun]

22 minutes ago, HBPencil said:

just strafing runs on targets of opportunity, etc.

That was their bread and butter as I understand it. You're a potent low level fighter to dominate the airspace and, that achieved, anything you see moving beneath you has a Very Bad Day. 

 

It's the horses I feel sorry for. 

Edited March 4, 2019 by Diggun

[Trooper117]

37 minutes ago, Diggun said:

It's the horses I feel sorry for. 

 

I'm with you...

[Godspeed]

What happened next wheres the second part ?

[LukeFF]

15 minutes ago, Godspeed said:

What happened next wheres the second part ?

 

Is it really that hard to figure out?

[Godspeed]

10 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Is it really that hard to figure out?

 

Yes around 3 AM. ?

Found em.

 

[IndianJones]

13 hours ago, Diggun said:

That was their bread and butter as I understand it. You're a potent low level fighter to dominate the airspace and, that achieved, anything you see moving beneath you has a Very Bad Day. 

 

It's the horses I feel sorry for. 

Maybe one day they'll add horse drawn carriages to IL-2. I'm only half joking, too - after all the Germans relied on horses to an incredible extent. 

[Padre*]

14 hours ago, Diggun said:

That was their bread and butter as I understand it.

Not true. Tempests were very effective fighters with the ability to outdive even the FW. Real pilots describe that here ...

 

[Diggun]

2 minutes ago, 334th_KMA said:

very effective fighters

I never said they weren't. The opposite in fact. 

 

However, Tempest pilots spent much more of their time on 'armed recce' missions to dominate airspace (which they usually managed without firing a shot due to the state of the opposition at that stage), and to interdict enemy movements on the ground. 

[HagarTheHorrible]

While I have no doubts about the abilities of the Tempest, it will be interesting to see how it performs, comparatively, in an environment that wasn’t present at the beginning of 45, with numerous amounts of the very best German aircraft performing at optimum capacity.flown by a cohort of relatively experienced pilots who’s main interest is “probably” not denting the thrust of Allied ground forces, in what will most likely be clear or near clear skies rather than the low heavy cloud base of winter/spring.

Edited March 5, 2019 by HagarTheHorrible

[ShamrockOneFive]

39 minutes ago, HagarTheHorrible said:

While I have no doubts about the abilities of the Tempest, it will be interesting to see how it performs, comparatively, in an environment that wasn’t present at the beginning of 45, with numerous amounts of the very best German aircraft performing at optimum capacity.flown by a cohort of relatively experienced pilots who’s main interest is “probably” not denting the thrust of Allied ground forces, in what will most likely be clear or near clear skies rather than the low heavy cloud base of winter/spring.

 

That's always the separation between historical battles and multiplayer and it really can't be helped. The Tempest will be competitive in this environment but it won't dominate it more than any of the others. Still, if you're in a FW190 or a Bf109 at lower altitudes the Tempest will be a very serious threat with speed, firepower, and excellent cockpit visibility to make it worth paying close attention to.

 

In many ways the Tempest will do well in the lower altitude multiplayer environments. That's where it's at home.

[CountZero]

Compared to other allied airplanes in game Tempest should be best option for df in this game for allied side where all is at low to mid alt, good speed, good guns and good visability and easy engine menagment, you cant get better for game to play with ( no La5FN on west front ? ), in online enviroment we have, what airplane did in real war dosent mather mutch when numbers they will face are not same and situations are not same.

Edited March 5, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Bad weather will force more correct context where the anglo aircraft can perform as intended in a tactical environment rather than being sucked up into the middle altitudes where they will be slaughtered endlessly by the end-war LW aircraft. 

 

Hopefully servers see the importance of low, thick overcast weather and use it often.  In that part of the world it is virtually always solid grey skies at that time of year.

Edited March 5, 2019 by 7.GShAP/Silas

[Voyager]

Honestly if servers are just running pure perfect visibility skys, they're missing out. Weather looks awesome in this game. 

 

Varrying weather cover really adds to the wow factor, and make flights memorable. I've seriously done flights where all I've actually done is looped about the air field goggling at the cloud patterns. 

[CountZero]

Most missions online on wol have cloud cover, and even double layer clouds, no snow or rain, there is maybe 1-2 missions with no clouds out of 20+

[7.GShAP/Silas]

2 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

Most missions online on wol have cloud cover, and even double layer clouds, no snow or rain, there is maybe 1-2 missions with no clouds out of 20+

 

 

It's not the same thing as full heavy overcast that is constant in the BoBP area during that time of year though.  And the cloud base is almost always set very high, 2k or more.

Edited March 5, 2019 by 7.GShAP/Silas

[J37_Spyboy]

On ‎2‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 10:45 PM, Gambit21 said:

With a channel map we can start with the Spit missions, then move on to the Tempest

Just wondering, parson my ignorance btw, but would it be possible to use the Channel Map from Rise of Flight, it was available as an dlc extra. Perhaps one of my more knowledgeable techmates could supply an answer>

[ShamrockOneFive]

1 hour ago, Spyboy said:

Just wondering, parson my ignorance btw, but would it be possible to use the Channel Map from Rise of Flight, it was available as an dlc extra. Perhaps one of my more knowledgeable techmates could supply an answer>

 

That question has been asked and the answer we got was that it would take longer to make the old map work in the new/upgraded engine than it would to just start over.

[J37_Spyboy]

Thank you ShamrockOneFive

 

 

[EAF19_Marsh]

The model is beautiful! I just hope that we get a true full-power, fast-cruising Sabre to do it justice. We’ll need it at low-level to dodge the horreous flak as well as fly the Rat-Codes against those slipper 262s.

[Fiachra]

Always loved the Hawker Hurricane, Typhoon, Tempest line of aircraft. They always get overlooked for the Spitfire which, while it was a great aircraft, never held any interest for me.

[CountZero]

51 minutes ago, Fiachra said:

Always loved the Hawker Hurricane, Typhoon, Tempest line of aircraft. They always get overlooked for the Spitfire which, while it was a great aircraft, never held any interest for me.

Spitfire Mk XIV will change your mined

[Trooper117]

Love the Hawker group of aircraft, and the Spit family too... I grew up hearing war stories about these aircraft and fell in love with them...