IL2 Artificial intelligence

[danjama]

As i have not yet adopted the early access for BoS, I am curious of how the AI controlled IL2's are different to those found in 1946? My memories are of il2 pilots turning and burning away on the deck, to the point of being a joke. This is not an attack on 1946, as I was a devoted pilot for many years in the sim. Just an observation. 

 

To give the discussion a more interesting edge, would il2 pilots have employed this tactic in real life? I'm well aware that it was quite an agile beast, but it seems they would present themselves as a huge target during these maneuvers. I imagine it was more a case of get in and get out as quickly as possible? 

 

If anybody is able to offer any insight it will be appreciated 

 

Also, are there any autibiographys of il2 pilots or russian pilots that people can recommend? I have not yet read any.

 

Thanks all!

[flying_sorcerer]

Hi danjama,

 

I cannot comment on the AI, but I have seen (somewhere in these forums I believe) a book which is exactly what you're looking for: "Red Star Against the Swastika: The Story of a Soviet Pilot over the Eastern Front", by Vasily B Emelianenko.  I have not read it yet though, but the reviews look good (and there you go, more demand for the book, which will push the price up!).

[6high]

Funny you would be mentioning this right now. I am just rereading (guess why) Vasily Emelianenko`s "Red Star against the Swastika" ,Greenhill Books, imho an excellent account of a man doing an extremely dangerous job. I can only recommend it (if you can overlook it`s somewhat awkward english..like mine )

Regarding Shturmoviks circling target area on the deck- my impression after reading the book was that this tactic was more standard procedure than an exception.

 

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Hi danjama,

 

I cannot comment on the AI, but I have seen (somewhere in these forums I believe) a book which is exactly what you're looking for: "Red Star Against the Swastika: The Story of a Soviet Pilot over the Eastern Front", by Vasily B Emelianenko.  I have not read it yet though, but the reviews look good (and there you go, more demand for the book, which will push the price up!).

lol f_s, that you beat me to it by the second

[Venturi]

The quality of the AI is a subject more people should be discussing.

[unreasonable]

The trouble is that AI covers a number of issues: the behavior of an individual enemy plane in a one-one dogfight is one thing, but then what about his wingman? What does your wingman do?

 

How does an AI led flight carry out a ground attack against a heavily defended target? How much does morale come into play, for instance do AI aircraft sometimes refuse to engage or simply run away? Or do the brave crazy Ivans attempt to ram? Can they land without crashing? Are they obsessive balloon molesters? (OK, no balloons yet, so probably this one is OK)

 

We will not really be in a position to make informed comments until we get at least the QMB. (By which time the development will be so advanced that nothing significant can be changed. We are doomed I tell you, DOOMED!)

 

Hic, sorry lads, liquid lunch!

[danjama]

Thanks for the recommendation chaps!

 

I agree more people should be discussing AI. 

 

Yes there are many different aspects of AI that will need to be modelled, but i'm just curious in particular how the IL2 pilots are flying at this stage in the development and how that might compare to real life tactics...

 

I wasn't aware there was no QMB at this stage, but i now see it will be with you all soon. Watching with interest. If i had the money i would splash out on the sim right now but it's not a good time for me.

 

I find it astonishing that they would circle the target area in such a cumbersome beast. Were they so confident in their aircraft, or was it a matter of poor air-ground defence from the enemy? I suppose this would depend on the region and period.

Edited February 21, 2014 by danjama

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Its much better (believable) than any other Sim I've played already.

[The_Math_Teacher]

Its much better (believable) than any other Sim I've played already.

 

+1

 

and for me one of the best AI I've seen in a sim.

Edited February 21, 2014 by JAG

[Georgio]

In the recent build Il-2's tend to adopt a side to side banking motion when attacked from behind which would allow the rear gunner the best possible chance of taking out an attacking fighter while presenting a difficult target at the same time.

I would imagine that this was a viable tactic in real life.

[Feathered_IV]

Its much better (believable) than any other Sim I've played already.

I can agree with that.

 

Dan, I can definitely recommend Anna Egorova's book of her career flying the Sturmovik.

http://www.amazon.com/Over-Fields-Fire-Sturmovik-Memories-ebook/dp/B005ATWROS

[Bussard_x]

AI is good in this sim so far. We do not know how wingman and flight behave with command system. I am also curious about the AI of gunners.

 

The AI will sneak upon your six if you don't watch out, even if you fly in the 109 versus the inferior LaGG, you always have to be careful. In the original IL-2 this behaviour was not there you could fly around relax.

 

Also curious about AI behaviour with 109 against Yak-1 where fight is more balanced.

[Venturi]

The LaGGs seem to bank continuously when chased, and will not change maneuvers until the player stops chasing them in the bank - they also tend to be in an unstable aileron "rocking" in their banks, similar to RoF AI I have observed.

[silent_one]

BOB 2 wings of victory had amazing AI. It had years of modding tweeks that made it better than anything Ive seen since. Il2 always looked better but the ai was diabolical.   As for Stalingrad. Im not hugely impressed so far. It seems better than the old Il 2 but I dont feel its putting up a huge fight BFM manuver wise. and I dont see any ACM at all.  Then again I dont think Ive seen any sim other than Falcon 4 use any ACM anyway.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Think we need to get the QMB and then we can really see the difference in the skills.