71st_AH_Cujo Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 We are all here to anxiously await and discuss this sim as new additions to it appear in front of us every weekend for us to enjoy it. It saddens me because as much as like the game , I don't really enjoy reading the rude comments that are posted here on daily basis that are supposed to humiliate people with different opinions or even new members with legitimate questions. Please respect each other I got a feeling we gonna be here for a while. 2
Feathered_IV Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 It's not the shark tank that the banana forum was, but I know what you mean. I'd say group hug, but bongo has wandering hands. 1
Cybermat47 Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 We are all here to anxiously await and discuss this sim as new additions to it appear in front of us every weekend for us to enjoy it. It saddens me because as much as like the game , I don't really enjoy reading the rude comments that are posted here on daily basis that are supposed to humiliate people with different opinions or even new members with legitimate questions. Please respect each other I got a feeling we gonna be here for a while. +1 As far as internet forums go, I have never been treated as badly as I have here before. Fortunately, the majority of people are decent.
LLv34_Flanker Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 S! Debating over a computer game in internet is seriouz businezz 1
Blooddawn1942 Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 I guess the anonymity of the web encourage some folks to behave like alpha-wolfs which they aren't in RL. Other folks take themself and their oppinion way to serious. Never understood such behaviour. Anyway...I spare my precious time and avoid those useless discussion where the only goal seems to be, having the last word... 2
Finkeren Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) I dunno. I think people are generally pretty nice to each other here. Sure there is the occational heated discussion that goes too far, but we have an exceptionally low troll population. The one thing, where I think people (myself definately included) could be more considerate, is not immediately jumping on new forum members, who ask the same questions, that have been asked a hundred times before. Edited February 20, 2014 by Finkeren
Zmaj76 Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) This happens when one part of the community decides to "defend" their dearest developers and in some cases personal intimuses no matter what. This happens when censorship is so blatant that fractions occurs and on most part its supefanboy versus superfanboy and their dearest games are only a tool for their egomaniacism. Instead of calming down the situation the persons in charge (various devs and moderators) with their selective persecutions are just making things worse. Thers no free place to say a word of criticism here without being gangraped. Edited February 20, 2014 by Tvrdi 1
Feathered_IV Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 How crude. Please try to be less vulgar Tvrdi.
unreasonable Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Oh I don't know, I have posted criticism and not been gangraped! Or at least I did not notice it... If you see something you prefer otherwise, just state your case and reasoning and leave it at that. You will get the usual suspects reminding you that it is just an "Alpha", so ignore them. 1
DD_Crash Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Oh I don't know, I have posted criticism and not been gangraped! Or at least I did not notice it... If you see something you prefer otherwise, just state your case and reasoning and leave it at that. You will get the usual suspects reminding you that it is just an "Alpha", so ignore them. Very reasonable
falstaff Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) This place is pretty civil on the whole, and the mods are sensible. It is not not really like the Banana forums, where you routinely had 6 or 7 self-appointed hyenas performing what they thought was a protective service for a very obviously deeply flawed game,and one or two mods in on it too. There was very little balance, it was a full-on hyper-tartrazine-kiddy-attack fest. Lord Of The Flies hardly begins to describe it. It also spilled over into SimHQ. And things weren't helped by the devs. Nothing was done to counter it, and so it got worse and worse until it pretty much imploded, which is what it deserved. This place is nowhere near as bad. A few of those 6-7 have carried over here, but on the whole have behaved a bit better (there's always one, wouldn't be a flight-sim forum if there wasn't). ., Edited February 20, 2014 by falstaff 1
Revvin Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) For such a niche genre with a small community its disappointing that small groups within that community seem to want this project to fail so badly. Its not limited to this game though, the old banana forums had members who wanted that sim to fail and for some they just seem hell bent on retaliating. In a recent locked thread you'll see the usual suspects giving reputation points to posts that have a negative view on this game yet those same people get so bent out of shape if you dare criticise their mod or sim. If you don't like sim X or sim Y then why hang around their forums trying to bring the community down? Its the two faced behaviour that grates with me, slamming a title then trying to dress it up as honest criticism when a posters motives are clear. Edited February 20, 2014 by Revvin 1
ParaB Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) I don't think it's actually that bad. The forum response is usually a direct result of the OPs posting style. There is a small number of people around who for various reasons apparently want to see BoS fail, and fans of the genre can get a bit testy when these trolls show their ugly heady... Edited February 20, 2014 by ParaB 2
ST_ami7b5 Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 I like this forum. There's much more positive things here than negative ones. And a lot of information, Satisfied so far,
Georgio Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 I think the 'fan base' in here is generally more mature than the banana forums of old. Of course people only got cranky there because you had devs who were desperately trying to cover up a title that was seriously derailing, while the forum members were desperately trying to uncover the covering up... Seven years is a long time for people to co-habit in a forum, in here we're barely out of nappies...
Uufflakke Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 I don't know how it is in other gaming forums but the same kind of topic there was at SAS1946.com: 'Why can't we get along with eachother?' Or something like that. Same sh!t happened over there. Or take a look at the BoS board at the ATAG site. The worst place to be with the CLODO fanboys flying around like vultures. I see similar things in SimHQ and DCS:WWII. Everyone seems to defend "their" game as they see positive remarks about other flight sims as a kind of offense. "How dare you to say something good about other sims here on our site!" Therefor I hardly participate nowadays or visit the above sites less frequent. The interesting thing is that in this niche you met the same people on every single sim site. It is even so that when you look at the bottom of the page you see the same names of users at the same time at those sites participating. Weird people those flight simmers.
sallee Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Very simply put, we aren't all the same. Some behaviour and forms of communication are acceptable for some and unacceptable for others. We come from different cultures with differing standards of behaviour and different age groups with similarly differing standards of behaviour and individuals within those cultures and age groups will have their own standards. In real life it's easier to avoid people you are likely to clash with, or at least deal with it in a less confrontational way. On internet forums, those social strategies don't seem to apply for many. I'm relatively happy that there are so few who stand out as truly asocial. But that's just my perception.
LLv44_Mprhead Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 In my opinion these forums are rather ok, compared to many others or to facebook for example. There are some people who could re-think their attitudes, but in general is not that bad.
Bearcat Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 This happens when one part of the community decides to "defend" their dearest developers and in some cases personal intimuses no matter what. This happens when censorship is so blatant that fractions occurs and on most part its supefanboy versus superfanboy and their dearest games are only a tool for their egomaniacism. Instead of calming down the situation the persons in charge (various devs and moderators) with their selective persecutions are just making things worse. Thers no free place to say a word of criticism here without being gangraped. OK ... you need to just step away from your keyboard for a spell if you are that offended... This also happens when people think that their opinion are the only oes that matter and that they can say whatever they want to however they want to say it.. which just does not fly here. If you do not like that or find it offensive, dictatorial or too heavy handed you are certainly free to take your opinions elsewhere. Criticism is welcomed here.. trolling, however is not. I don't know how it is in other gaming forums but the same kind of topic there was at SAS1946.com: 'Why can't we get along with eachother?' Or something like that. Same sh!t happened over there. Or take a look at the BoS board at the ATAG site. The worst place to be with the CLODO fanboys flying around like vultures. I see similar things in SimHQ and DCS:WWII. Everyone seems to defend "their" game as they see positive remarks about other flight sims as a kind of offense. "How dare you to say something good about other sims here on our site!" Therefor I hardly participate nowadays or visit the above sites less frequent. The interesting thing is that in this niche you met the same people on every single sim site. It is even so that when you look at the bottom of the page you see the same names of users at the same time at those sites participating. Weird people those flight simmers. Which is not the case here... as I said it is all in the delivery. You can criticize a feature or the lack thereof without being rude, crass, disrespectful or insulting .. either to other forum members or the developers.. or the moderators for that matter.
Kleinburger Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 After being involved in many forums across numerous games, most if not close to all of this forum's user's are the most civil and open minded bunch that I have seen. It has been and will continue to be a pleasure reading yall's comments and learning something from your unique perspective. 1
falstaff Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Revvin said: For such a niche genre with a small community its disappointing that small groups within that community seem to want this project to fail so badly. Its not limited to this game though, the old banana forums had members who wanted that sim to fail and for some they just seem hell bent on retaliating. I dont think that's necessarily true, here or elsewhere. People like that just dont last. Over the years, I've seen very, very few people who genuinely want something to fail for just the hell of it, if any. Most have a sense of grievance for a reason, or reasons. I dont see that here, and I didn't see it with Clod...thoguh Clod was something else, a law unto itself, and folks there just went on the rampage, buoyed-up by the fact they felt unstoppable....no scores to be settled on that front, but it was obvious at the time, not just now, and got found out. Its the two faced behaviour that grates with me, slamming a title then trying to dress it up as honest criticism when a posters motives are clear. Second- guessing the motives of why people post always strikes me as suspect. Better to take points at face vaue and deal with the point at hand. If it's crap, it becomes obvious after a short while, and silliness gets found out. Also, it's not that simple - I can think of a couple of people who have a lot of knowledge, a lot of real world experience, and lot of enthusiasm, and sometime post really good stuff...but it's completely shattered and over-run by their ego and nastiness, which ebbs and flows. So the psychology is better left out, and just deal with the points raised. If a concensus is reached, great, if not, let it go. Provided different views get an airing, things are balanced. Once one side of an argument start generalising, then you're pretty much doomed, you just get dragged down to mood-swings. Equally, people on here pretty much know who the trouble-starters are, because they're either drawing attention to themselves, banned, or both....no need to pay them any attention. They dont have the run of the place like they did on the Banana forums, and they dont have have the mods endorsing them. There seems a fair bit of goodwill all round on here, to posters, devs, and mods. I'd say the nukber of people trying to bring the game down are very few, and those bitter over Clod aren't getting much a look-in (besides which, Clod seems to be doing just fine in many ways). BOS and this forum have a very different feel, hope it continues. Getting nearer to release will bring its own pressures, and people will probably divide along natural fault-lines, but if things are handled well, it should all be fine. After all, it's only a game.... Edited February 20, 2014 by falstaff 1
DD_fruitbat Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 If someone is repeatedly vexing you with the same old mantra, whatever it happens to be, stick them on ignore. Works well.
SYN_Jedders Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 I find this forum to be well moderated and generally a reasonable place to be. The clients for the most part can post without reducing it to personal attacks. If you find something you don't like just report it and the mods get busy. Some other forum owners will call this censorship. I call it moderation. I don't bother with other more extreme view forums anymore. Its get old really quick and they have nothing new to contribute. This forum gives me the info I need in a precise, moderated way. More health to yas for it! 1
DD_Arthur Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 I don't think it's actually that bad. The forum response is usually a direct result of the OPs posting style. I think this is quite true. You can bring up most things here if you do it in a reasonable way. However, this ain't no democracy and we post here within the terms and conditions set out by the owner of these boards. These boards are primarily here to promote a commercial product. 1
Zmaj76 Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Which is not the case here... as I said it is all in the delivery. You can criticize a feature or the lack thereof without being rude, crass, disrespectful or insulting .. either to other forum members or the developers.. or the moderators for that matter. The part about mods wasnt reffering to you personaly. In fact...your the last one to be called for that matter. What I meant, even the civil topics where there are criticizm towards game are being locked or deleted. One of the examples was topic about MP limitations regarding no of ground units etc... If you want to limit critical (for sim) discussions only for YES ppl then be it. After all now and even more later this year, the simmers will have a 3 solutions to choose from and everything will be just fine. AS I see things Im a fan of the genre and sims as long as I buy their stuff and post critics and praises...Everything else is BS. heh Edited February 20, 2014 by Tvrdi
LLv44_Mprhead Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 The part about mods wasnt reffering to you personaly. In fact...your the last one to be called for that matter. What I meant, even the civil topics where there are criticizm towards game are being locked or deleted. One of the examples was topic about MP limitations regarding no of ground units etc... If you want to limit critical (for sim) discussions only for YES ppl then be it. After all now and even more later this year, the simmers will have a 3 solutions to choose from and everything will be just fine. AS I see things Im a fan of the genre and sims as long as I buy their stuff and post critics and praises...Everything else is BS. heh Locking critical thread does not necessarily mean that critics are not tolerated. It can also be because of things are getting too heated, as they many times do. Then again to avoid impression that critics are not alloved it might be better if instead of that offensive posts were removed and those posters given time to cool off a bit. As actually happens many times. 1
Potenz Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Actually this forum and RoF one are the most light forums on that matter, as bearcat says play a visit to ATAG and post something good about BoS there, i got a perm ban, for saying that i had enough of this endless and stupid games war and how is based on personal hates. for saying that, perm ban. Edited February 20, 2014 by GOAPotenz
=69.GIAP=C0NAN Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 Just a thought, but if we want this community to grow... and I think we all understand it benefits us all if it does... we help our own cause by using good manners to all who visit here. The noob may really want to join and come here on recommendation only to get flamed because he doesn't understand forums. Those of us who have hung around the simming community understand the give and take but for many it may well end their efforts to get started. Just cut folks some slack and try to be helpful. It feels good. Also, constructive criticism is a good thing but bashing, flaming and abusing the devs for not having the same exalted and supremely enlightened understanding of the world that you possess is not really all that useful. OBTW, it's likely you are the only one here with that high a regard for yourself... Don't worry... I like you! I've always wanted a neighbor just like you!
Bearcat Posted February 20, 2014 Posted February 20, 2014 The part about mods wasnt reffering to you personaly. In fact...your the last one to be called for that matter. What I meant, even the civil topics where there are criticizm towards game are being locked or deleted. One of the examples was topic about MP limitations regarding no of ground units etc... If you want to limit critical (for sim) discussions only for YES ppl then be it. After all now and even more later this year, the simmers will have a 3 solutions to choose from and everything will be just fine. AS I see things Im a fan of the genre and sims as long as I buy their stuff and post critics and praises...Everything else is BS. heh When the criticisms fan the flames of unreasonable behavior then threads get locked. It is not the criticism.. but the manner in which it is done and the fallout that comes after. 2
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