It’s the Flippin’ Fokker update next! (Dolphin + D.VII cockpit pictures + Arras preview)

[BMA_Hellbender]

Fokkin’ Flipper update didn’t sound appropriate.

 

 

 

 

Edited February 22, 2019 by Hellbender

[J2_Trupobaw]

Yes, it was said by Jason week-two ago.

 

I can't wait to see what the Dolphin will handle like. The planes we have are step up from their RoF incarnation, and RoF Dolphin is a great plane that really needs a second chance. Only N.28 would get me more excited.

 

Same for 180hp D.VII - good plane in need of some devlove. Albatros and S.E.5a, in comparison, are well treaded territory.

Edited January 25, 2019 by J2_Trupobaw

[Trooper117]

It's the Albatros and S.E. 5a that I want most... damn!

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

[low whistling]

[ZachariasX]

18 hours ago, Hellbender said:

Fokkin’ Flipper update didn’t sound appropriate.

What's wrong with it?

[Dutch2]

45 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

What's wrong with it?

 

 

No he is wrong it is Flipper the dolphin. 

 

[ZachariasX]

6 minutes ago, Dutch2 said:

No he is wrong it is Flipper the dolphin. 

 

Nothing flipps as Flipper. It will be a nice plane.

[Wolfram-Harms]

19 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

It's the Albatros and S.E. 5a that I want most... damn!

 

I couldn't have said it any shorter! Those two aircraft, and I'll be happy!

 

And the Arras map, of course! I want to finally PLAY "Flying Circus" - over Kuban with a Pfalz I feel misplaced...

[Dutch2]

Because flying an WW1 plane much lower then a WW2 plane, I only hope the WW1 will be less boring on the ground, if flying it is all so sterile on the ground, nothing happen. 

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Last summer I went to visit The Great War Flying Museum north of Toronto (Canada) and they had a Fokker D.VII that is extremely close to being restored back to flight condition. They let me get up close and it's a magnificent machine.

 

 

After that I spent a lot of time flying it in Rise of Flight finding that it was one of my favourites. I'm very excited to see it come to Flying Circus.

 

 

1 hour ago, Dutch2 said:

Because flying an WW1 plane much lower then a WW2 plane, I only hope the WW1 will be less boring on the ground, if flying it is all so sterile on the ground, nothing happen. 

 

 

Boring in what context? If you go fly a lot of the scripted campaigns for IL-2 you'll see the authors have done a good job of including plenty of gun fights between opposing troops, artillery battles, the odd tank battle (though rare), and so forth. A lot of that bled over into the Career mode too (up your frontline density to medium or high).

Edited January 26, 2019 by ShamrockOneFive

[Wolfram-Harms]

2 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

They let me get up close and it's a magnificent machine.

 

...and that was yet only grounded!

Have you ever seen Howard Hughes magnificent film "HELL'S ANGELS"? 
The film was made in 1929 and premiered early 1930, so the Great War had only ended 12 years earlier.
 

Hughes had bought real Fokker aircraft, and the flying stunts were all flown
by real WW1 pilots - some German planes even by Germans. 
 

Here is the full movie - if you haven't seen it, watch it! Great Zeppelin scenes too!
For war-style Fokker scenes, go to 1:33:45 h.
Hughes had filmed the footage from a two-seater (or several), and the filming was quite dangerous for all involved.

 

 

Edited January 26, 2019 by Wolfram-Harms

[DD_Arthur]

Bloody hell Wolfram!  Watched the twenty minutes from 1.33.  Epic!!

[Dogbert1953]

Brilliant, i have heard of the film. But never seen it at all.

 

Am i right saying it was made in b&w with some colour sequences ?

 

Many thanks for the link.

 

Mike.

[ZachariasX]

14 minutes ago, Dogbert1953 said:

Am i right saying it was made in b&w with some colour sequences ?

Yes, it was. Howard really tried every trick Hollywood had to offer. But it wasn’t practical to shoot more than the studio scene with the Fräuleins in color. 

 

Sikorsky S-29 as „Gotha“, the crash killed a stuntman. Of the many crashes during the filming, 3 were fatal. Hughes assembled AFAIR 87 biplanes and 80 pilots, Roscoe Turner among them. That is an air force compared to today. Some say he never put up more than 40 at the same time, but still impressive. 

[Trooper117]

I've had that dvd for years... in fact now I'm going to watch it again, thanks for the reminder!

[Wolfram-Harms]

5 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

Bloody hell Wolfram!  Watched the twenty minutes from 1.33.  Epic!!

 

Watch the whole long Zeppelin stuff as well - it is really well made for the time!

 

Heck - watch all of it - it is a classic; a pioneer work on the field of air combat movies.

Of course it was also the first film to show those scarfaced pre-Nazi German bastards, also named "Huns"... 

 

Karl though, the "bombardier, misleads the Zeppelin - he doesn't want London to get bombed, and so he drops them
in the Serpent, a lake in Hyde Park. So, at least one "good" German (not in the eyes of German High Command though...)

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 26, 2019 by Wolfram-Harms

[SP1969]

To be honest, Wolf, the Jun(c)ker I worry about hasn't got a duelling scar and isn't from Prussia.......although if you ever see him with a red spot in the middle of the forehead, you can pretty much guarantee it won't be because he has decided to become a Hindu.

Edited January 26, 2019 by SP1969

[HagarTheHorrible]

My Grannie saw a Zeppelin, or at least the shadow against the clouds (from the search lights).  I don't know if it was the same occasion but if it was it blew the front door off the house, although that might have been suggestive as to how well the door was fixed given that she said they were 10 miles from the ammunition factory that was attacked. She would have been 12 or 13 at the time.

Edited January 26, 2019 by HagarTheHorrible

[SP1969]

 There is a fairly readable ( fairly - some of it is a little biased, I would suggest, and contains a few  glaring errors, although I think they are mainly the fault of the printer, rather than the author ) called 'First Blitz' by Neil Hanson that you may like, Hagar.

 

It deals with the Zeppelin raids, but also goes into considerable detail regarding the Gotha raids.

 

Can't wait for the Zeppelin to appear in FC........

Edited January 26, 2019 by SP1969

[Dogbert1953]

Thanks very much ZachariasX, for the confirmation regards colour sequences.

 

Mike.

 

[JGr2/J5_Baeumer]

On 1/25/2019 at 6:38 AM, J2_Trupobaw said:

Dolphin is a great plane that really needs a second chance. Only N.28 would get me more excited.

Trupo.... to fly or shoot at?!

[ShamrockOneFive]

That's a brilliant bit of film making for the time! Thanks for sharing!

[Dutch2]

This film was in competition to HA see for your self as this is a free to see. 

 

The Dawn Patrol

 

edit, Here is btw HA without subtitels, 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2019 by Dutch2

[Wolfram-Harms]

PS: the real life aviators always came too late for intercepting a Luftschiff (Zeppelin).
For WW1 aircraft it took them quite some time to climb to good altitude, and they never knew exactly where the airship was,

so it had to be found first, and then only one group MIGHT have been close enough to try.

 

Arthur Gould Lee's great book "No Parachute!" contains a passage about Zeppelin defense - he was in the squadron
that was called home for airship defense for some time.

 

[Dogbert1953]

I have seen Dawn Patrol and it is well worth nearly 2 hrs of anyone's time.

 

Mike.

[J2_Trupobaw]

Dawn Patrol has the story that does not insult viewers intelligence  unlike much better story than Hells Angels, although flying scenes in both just have to be seen. My favourite is the Nieuport landings in Dawn Patrol, though - so vivd.

[Cynic_Al]

17 hours ago, Wolfram-Harms said:

Karl though, the "bombardier, misleads the Zeppelin - he doesn't want London to get bombed, and so he drops them

in the Serpent, a lake in Hyde Park.

 

It's called The Serpentine and doesn't quite resemble the lake depicted.

[BMA_Hellbender]

Dolphin and D.VII cockpit pictures!

 

And a first look at Arras.

 

 

Looks like we’re getting overwing Lewis guns!

 

Edited February 22, 2019 by Hellbender

[Trooper117]

Yes, at last, solid proof that good work is being done on the Arras map, best... best part of the update.

[ZachariasX]

1 hour ago, Hellbender said:

Looks like we’re getting overwing Lewis guns!

Plus the lower wing guns too! 

[HiIIBiIIy]

5 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

Plus the lower wing guns too! 

Are you sure any Dolphins had lower wing guns?

[BMA_Hellbender]

2 minutes ago, HiIIBiIIy said:

Are you sure any Dolphins had lower wing guns?

 

From Wikipedia:

 

 

No. 87 Squadron Dolphin flown by Cecil Montgomery-Moore. A Lewis gun is mounted atop the lower right wing

[ZachariasX]

Just now, HiIIBiIIy said:

Are you sure any Dolphins had lower wing guns?

As a mod we had them in RoF as well. You can see them on the pic posted by Bender above. That flipper mounts 6 guns.

 

How much it was actually used, that I have no idea. But having them, as well as well as the hope that Petrovich might tighten those lose nuts on the wing bracings makes me look forward to that plane very much.

[HiIIBiIIy]

3 minutes ago, Hellbender said:

 

From Wikipedia:

 

 

No. 87 Squadron Dolphin flown by Cecil Montgomery-Moore. A Lewis gun is mounted atop the lower right wing

Gnashing of teeth 

 

 

2 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

As a mod we had them in RoF as well. You can see them on the pic posted by Bender above. That flipper mounts 6 guns.

 

How much it was actually used, that I have no idea. But having them, as well as well as the hope that Petrovich might tighten those lose nuts on the wing bracings makes me look forward to that plane very much.

Okay, I hope it's not over abused as the Camel large wing cutout, I know it's up to the server settings.

[BMA_Hellbender]

The wing mounted Lewis guns are rather useless, they have one drum which can't be unjammed or reloaded due to their position, though I suppose it's nice for a single pass at a two-seater or bomber.

 

As for the overwing Lewis guns, oh boy. Oh boy.

 

 

Along with the fact that the Dolphin will now stand a better chance again against slower but more maneuverable Albies and it's a clear winner in my book (it used to be =IRFC='s main ride). You still have to be very careful around D.VIIs at altitude, though. Surprisingly enough, it's the most evenly matched against the Fokker D.VIII monoplane.

[ZachariasX]

15 minutes ago, HiIIBiIIy said:

Okay, I hope it's not over abused as the Camel large wing cutout, 

It will make Central never do headon attacks anymore. Then they are ballast, besides giving bombers and two seaters a convincing first blow.

 

10 minutes ago, Hellbender said:

As for the overwing Lewis guns, oh boy. Oh boy.

Yes, baby! 

[Requiem]

I wonder if we can will still die if your head view is too high when the Dolphin flips over on it's back...I remember always having to duck down when it was about to happen so I can finish flight without killing myself ?

[ZachariasX]

3 minutes ago, SYN_Requiem said:

I wonder if we can will still die if your head view is too high when the Dolphin flips over on it's back...I remember always having to duck down when it was about to happen so I can finish flight without killing myself ?

I mentioned that in the DD217 thread, but Pterovich wouldn‘t comment on it.

 

It would be nice having a pilot tucking down his head „when there is no other option“. Also it would be nice if the pilot would leave the (landed) aircraft and run clear of it upon the „bail out“ command. If the plane is on fire (or about to be strafed) it is nasty to sit out the remaining time before you‘re allowed to leave the mission.

[BMA_Hellbender]

19 minutes ago, SYN_Requiem said:

I wonder if we can will still die if your head view is too high when the Dolphin flips over on it's back...I remember always having to duck down when it was about to happen so I can finish flight without killing myself ?

 

Even sillier than that: you can survive the flipping over with your head tucked in, then kill yourself by sitting up again while inverted.

 

Literally kill yourself by ramming your head into the ground with fatal force.

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, HiIIBiIIy said:

Okay, I hope it's not over abused as the Camel large wing cutout, I know it's up to the server settings.

 

The Camel wing cutout was eventually a factory modification, so any talk about it being "abused" is patently ridiculous. 

3 hours ago, Hellbender said:

The wing mounted Lewis guns are rather useless, they have one drum which can't be unjammed or reloaded due to their position, though I suppose it's nice for a single pass at a two-seater or bomber.

 

The wing-mounted guns most certainly could be cleared of jams and misfires. The photos from the time make that abundantly clear.