Really hoping the Mustang...

[BlitzPig_EL]

...can break the curse of my being disappointed by every USAAF fighter so far.  If it's engine can be pushed at least as well as the Spitfire IX I think it will be OK.

If it's another glass jawed, uber fragile engine, then you can kiss goodbye any hope of increased sales in North America, and frankly I may just walk away myself.

It's just getting too frustrating wanting to fly the aircraft I like, but not doing so because they suck, owing to engine limits that are so far from the reality of how these aircraft were used.

 

 

 

Edited January 14, 2019 by BlitzPig_EL

[DSR_A-24]

Prepare to get a lot of flak for a completely reasonable comment.

[E69_geramos109]

Play russian planes mate! No engine limitations blyat you put vodka on it and everything is banana out of ten blyat. Americans know nothing to make planes but klimov suka power was the biest stronk engine.

[BlitzPig_EL]

4 hours ago, DSR_T-888 said:

Prepare to get a lot of flak for a completely reasonable comment.

 

The post was moved to complaints, no one will ever see it now anyway...  *sigh*.

 

I still stand by it though. 

[[DBS]MDS1]

Much as I love this game, and appreciate all the hard work that goes into making a WWII Flight Sim as good as this game is..... I too am somewhat surprised at just how bad the American Fighters appear to be. I freely accept that maybe it's my lack of skill for the most part, but they are difficult to handle compared to the Soviet plane set, and so slow - I almost cry.

 

I am really hoping the Mustang is fast, nimble and at least as "flyable" as the Yak's. 

[Art-J]

9 hours ago, E69_geramos109 said:

Play russian planes mate! No engine limitations blyat you put vodka on it and everything is banana out of ten blyat. Americans know nothing to make planes but klimov suka power was the biest stronk engine.

 

Why am I reading this post with Boris' voice (from "Life of Boris" YT channel) in my head? 

[ZachariasX]

12 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

owing to engine limits that are so far from the reality of how these aircraft were used.

Look, it is entirely the Americans fault. They assumed living longer than 5 minutes in a real war, hence they came up with regulations spanning timeframes soldier Schwejk referred to as „next Wednesday after the war“.

 

You have to think NOW about how things will look half a century later. Say in 50 years some nerds simulate OSX as well as some Linux kernel for puropse of a death match. The Linux kernel loses out left and right with its „kernel panics“, „crashes“ and „kill messages“. OSX just has „unexpected behavior“. 

[Garven]

Really hope we eventually get realistic pre-detonation modeling someday so we can do away with timers.

[Guest deleted@50488]

It's not only their engines, I guess....

 

In the P-40E there's that pitch trim weirdiness too ?  I have to keep using full tail heavy trim in landing configuration or at slower speeds - it simply doesn't feel right to me ?

[Dutchvdm]

Maybe someone can back me up on this one, but i believe Jason stated a couple of weeks ago that they were looking at the engine timer mechanic. And i don't want to be rude, but i still have a feeling that some players need to adjust their expectation...  

 

Here is the post:

 

Grt M

Edited January 15, 2019 by I./ZG1_Dutchvdm

[II./JG77_Manu*]

13 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

...can break the curse of my being disappointed by every USAAF fighter so far.  If it's engine can be pushed at least as well as the Spitfire IX I think it will be OK.

If it's another glass jawed, uber fragile engine, then you can kiss goodbye any hope of increased sales in North America, and frankly I may just walk away myself.

It's just getting too frustrating wanting to fly the aircraft I like, but not doing so because they suck, owing to engine limits that are so far from the reality of how these aircraft were used.

 

I was flying Kota with a P-39 the other day and it's just a bad joke how horrible this aircraft is in a prolonged combat scenario. While trying to defend my fellow IL-2 i lost my engine within minutes, not even using full power and not getting hit a single time. It's a pain to use. The Yak 7 and Yak 1 are a dream to fly compared to it, which is a joke, looking at their historical performance and popularity amongst Russian pilots. I guess if they don't change the engine damage system, all US sircraft will be chunk in this series (i don't wanna even imagine Wildcat against Zero, given that the Japanese had the same "indefinite emergency" doctrine as the Russians). But the forum police will keep telling you that "the Mustang is a high alt fighter and can't be expected to perform down low" or crap like that.

I am fearing a Tempest flood in Bobp multiplayer, just as it is with the La5-FN in Kuban now. Why should we care about history anyway ?

[LukeFF]

All this complaining about a plane that's still in development...

[Haza]

Just now, LukeFF said:

All this complaining about a plane that's still in development...

 

Well, I guess with his previous experience with the recent USAAF aircraft that have been released as he mentions, he possibly has something to worry about!

In addition, perhaps his views (although moved here to complaints although more like an observation section) regarding the P-51 and the NA market perhaps he is true as well!  Perhaps if the P-51 is not what the "Yank" market is expecting and fails to deliver, then perhaps it is sealing the fate of any Pacific type game as if you can't get a P-51 modeled correctly with all of the information out there, how likley is that any other US aircraft will be accurate with BOP release!? 

 

I guess with the VVS aircraft, most flight information and flight models perhaps for these frames have not been accessible by Western players and as such we take what the developers give as as "Gospel" and suck it up! However, if the US airframes do not live up to the hype and the documented evidence, then perhaps BlitzPig_EL is correct regarding players in NA walking away when the info gets out!

 

Therefore, perhaps he is not complaining and this is in the wrong section and should be in the prophesying and giving warning section!  Now that I believe you can't say is fake news or even complaining!?

 

 

Regards

 

 

Edited January 15, 2019 by Haza

[HandyNasty]

Afaik the Pony's engine is a licensed version of the current Spitfire MkIX's engine, as such I presume it'll have the same engine limits. 

 

[Ehret]

1 hour ago, II./JG77_Manu* said:

I was flying Kota with a P-39 the other day and it's just a bad joke how horrible this aircraft is in a prolonged combat scenario. While trying to defend my fellow IL-2 i lost my engine within minutes, not even using full power and not getting hit a single time. It's a pain to use.

 

Full power will kill engine in 2m; 5-6m if you use lowered emergency which still remains at least competitive but yes - it kind of suck to fly with a stopwatch and count seconds because of an artificial timer. Beware of sluggish pitch governor too - the major cause of sudden engine seizures in the P-40 and the P-39 in the sim.

I manage by keeping some extra altitude and initiating engagements from shallow dives and raised combat power which is good for 10m and allows for 520km/h @ SL. Then if there is an opportunity to get a good gun solution I switch to the emergency; if not then use the latter to escape which means RTB, usually. It just doesn't make sense to wait 25m for timers to reset when airborne.

 

There was a discussion about timers and we got an official answer as well. The Devs have some alternative idea but no time to change anything for while... Don't expect the P-51 to be any different than the P-47 initially. Better prepare mentally to fly using lowered manifold pressure settings just like in the Jug.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

2 hours ago, Ehret said:

Full power will kill engine in 2m; 5-6m if you use lowered emergency which still remains at least competitive but yes - it kind of suck to fly with a stopwatch and count seconds because of an artificial timer. Beware of sluggish pitch governor too - the major cause of sudden engine seizures in the P-40 and the P-39 in the sim.

I manage by keeping some extra altitude and initiating engagements from shallow dives and raised combat power which is good for 10m and allows for 520km/h @ SL. Then if there is an opportunity to get a good gun solution I switch to the emergency; if not then use the latter to escape which means RTB, usually. It just doesn't make sense to wait 25m for timers to reset when airborne.

 

There was a discussion about timers and we got an official answer as well. The Devs have some alternative idea but no time to change anything for while... Don't expect the P-51 to be any different than the P-47 initially. Better prepare mentally to fly using lowered manifold pressure settings just like in the Jug.

 

Yeah I know that it's possible to fly the P-39 effectively (as it is with every other fighter), but that's totally besides the point I was trying to make. The point I was trying to make is, that it's just a pain to fly and really no fun (to always have to worry blowing up your engine), which is totally not how it was in history (the Soviets loved it). It's also hard to use in historical sense (for low level escort), because that excludes your suggestion (extra altitude etc.). The P-39 should be an aircraft possible to turn the tide from a disadvantaged position (as are the Yaks and La5s), but in game it's totally not. 

Well, I better prepare mentally to not fly those US aircraft at all, until things get changed. For me there is no point to fly aircraft that don't resemble their historical counterparts at least somewhat close, because reliving (realistic and plausible) aerial combat situations is what it's all about for me.

[JV69badatflyski]

21 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

The post was moved to complaints, no one will ever see it now anyway...  *sigh*.

 

I still stand by it though. 

Not true, it's here that the best posts are.
 

21 hours ago, MDS1 said:

I am really hoping the Mustang is fast, nimble and at least as "flyable" as the Yak's. 

 

Fast it will be, but nimble?...?
anyway you forgot to mention the need of .50's ripping Tigers apart.

[303_Kwiatek]

13 hours ago, =FSB=HandyNasty said:

Afaik the Pony's engine is a licensed version of the current Spitfire MkIX's engine, as such I presume it'll have the same engine limits. 

 

 

Not exacly the same limit beacasue Pacard Merlin used in P-51 got different power settings for Combat Power ( higher boost) then Merlin in Spitfire IX.  WEP will be the same but combat power in P-51 got higher boost and more limited time of used comparing to SPitfire Merlin.