Redwo1f Posted January 11, 2019 Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) I am never cutting edge high end video card owner and always more of a budget + or perhaps mid range owner - and that is fine and suits my finances. Upgrading a Radeon RX470 4gb card (just upgraded the cpu on unfortunately a motherboard locked B250M motherboard to an i5-7600). I am a 1080p gamer with zero intention of going to 4k - but maybe down the road in a year or two perhaps to 1440p (but main focus for now 1080p). Here is the choice I am looking at this moment (considering budget constraints): Radeon RX580 4gb new or a Nvidia GTX 1060 6gb used (but from a reputable dealer used in-store underclocked and treated well for mining demo set ups). - both are basically the same price I know from all the research and benchmarking numerous games, the FPS on both are pretty much identical overall on 1080p (with the GTX1060 6gb being slightly better (yes, I know the 4gb rx580's have slightly lower memory timings vs the 8gb versions and are slower because of it). The GTX1060 outperforms the 4gb rx580 moderately at 1440p (but that isn't a most immediate concern)). So what do you guys think between the two? Is it worth it to grab the 6gb card (even though it is used - but apparently treated very well) or take the new 4gb RX580 instead considering they are so very close in 1080p? Gunna be worth have the extra 2gb vram trade-off for used stature or not? ...kinda stuck at the moment. Thanks for any opinions. Edited January 11, 2019 by Redwo1f
Retnek Posted January 11, 2019 Posted January 11, 2019 Go with the Nvidia 1060 6 GB - lower power consumption and more vram, better for the future. A RX5x0 with 8 GB vram would be an alternative, with 4 GB only it isn't. Especially if you own DCS or other, more vram-hungry software.
Seb71 Posted January 11, 2019 Posted January 11, 2019 Neither will give you an impressive upgrade from your current RX 470 4GB. I would say to wait until you can jump to the GTX 1070 performance level or better.
Redwo1f Posted January 11, 2019 Author Posted January 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, 216th_Retnek said: Go with the Nvidia 1060 6 GB - lower power consumption and more vram, better for the future. A RX5x0 with 8 GB vram would be an alternative, with 4 GB only it isn't. Especially if you own DCS or other, more vram-hungry software. I have been moderately leaning that way - and I do have a 500w power supply (depending upon the maker of the rx580, they tend to specifiy greater (I know the 8gb versions are even more power hungry -- but I am reading online though that regardless, 500w ps is fine though). 2 minutes ago, Seb71 said: Neither will give you an impressive upgrade from your current RX 470 4GB. I would say to wait until you can jump to the GTX 1070 performance level or better. Yes, that is a consideration too - but it may be quite a while before I can afford that. And just looking at pricing trends over that past 6 months, the Nvidia GTX's have not been dropping down nearly as much as the RX580's. Indeed the only way I can afford the GTX1060 6GB right now is because it is used...the RX's continuing to drop nicely now -- the Nvidia's, not so much at all.
Seb71 Posted January 11, 2019 Posted January 11, 2019 Graphics card prices were heavily distorted by the cryptocurrencyes bubble. It was not a normal price evolution in the last few years.
Redwo1f Posted January 11, 2019 Author Posted January 11, 2019 yup, I know. Dam inflation cuz of cryptocurrence mining and vram shortage earlier has impacted the market still to this day. Used to be about now I could drop $180-$200 canadian and be able to buy either of these (has always been the case in the past with my video card buying history that a mid range card 2-2.5 years old would be there in that price range ...now unfortunetly not...ughh).
Wulfen Posted January 11, 2019 Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) The RTX 2060 seems to give a lot of bang for the buck, and it`s future proof with DLSS etc. I`m running a 2080 myself, but for 1080/1140 gaming go for the 2060. Edited January 11, 2019 by Wulfen
Retnek Posted January 11, 2019 Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) Be careful with the 500W ... I just had to replace my trusty, quality-480W-power-supply. It was fine for years with a GTX960 2 GB vram and 8 GB RAM. But now with a 1060 and 16 GB RAM it refuses to run longer than a few minutes. In an another, weaker PC it's still perfectly fine. Seb71 is right, upgrading from GTX960 2 GB VRAM to a 1060 with 6 GB wasn't that thrilling for IL2-BoX. It offers full range now and a lot more eye-candies, but the 960 GPU was able to handle the game quite good. But DCS is *'much* better now and some other 3D-game-engines earned a 50 - 100 % FPS-profit. Difficult to say how much impact my old CPU has. If you get the Nvidia-1060 with 6GB for a nice price, you'll enjoy it. Edited January 11, 2019 by 216th_Retnek
Mitthrawnuruodo Posted January 11, 2019 Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Redwo1f said: Is it worth it to grab the 6gb card (even though it is used - but apparently treated very well) or take the new 4gb RX580 instead considering they are so very close in 1080p? Gunna be worth have the extra 2gb vram trade-off for used stature or not? ...kinda stuck at the moment. I agree that neither card is a huge upgrade. Both will be roughly 20-30% faster. Unless you can get a very good price on the 1060, it may not be the best purchase. Is there a particular reason for wanting an upgrade? The RX 470 should be just fine for 1080p if you do not require the highest settings. A GTX 1060 or RX 580 would give excellent performance at 1080p, but not much more. It wouldn't be ideal as 'future proofing' for 1440p and increasing system requirements. Edited January 11, 2019 by Mitthrawnuruodo
Redwo1f Posted January 11, 2019 Author Posted January 11, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said: I agree that neither card is a huge upgrade. Both will be roughly 20-30% faster. Unless you can get a very good price on the 1060, it may not be the best purchase. Is there a particular reason for wanting an upgrade? The RX 470 should be just fine for 1080p if you do not require the highest settings. A GTX 1060 or RX 580 would give excellent performance at 1080p, but not much more. It wouldn't be ideal as 'future proofing' for 1440p and increasing system requirements. Yes, the rx470 is "okay". A 30% fps upgrade is decent to me - and I plan on sitting with this system for a few years (motherboard locked to 7th gen) and enjoy 1080p gaming. Just looking to make a reasonable upgrade to it. The 1070 and RTX 2060's are an overkill for 1080p (and still far too expensive for me) - so honestly, the RX580 or GTX1060 seemed to be the best fit at the price range I can afford. And yes it is a good deal on the GTX1060 (jumping now will likely be my only chance to get it at that price (from a trustworthy retailer) as the new editions are not price falling much at all relative. I could wait a few months and grab the RX580 a bit cheeper (those are the ones that are really coming down) I think, but if the trending the past 6 months continue, the new GTX1060's still won't be low enough. I think all things considered (power/vram (liking the extra 2gb)/performance) and based of the bit of feedback here, of those two, the GTX1060 6gb is the way to go , so I think I will order it. Appreciate the feedback Edited January 11, 2019 by Redwo1f
DD_Arthur Posted January 11, 2019 Posted January 11, 2019 Get the Nvidia card but before you do the deal - check ebay for a 1070.
Redwo1f Posted January 12, 2019 Author Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) Update - was able to find a new RX580 8GB version card for even less (by $50 CAD!) - so going to grab it - just awaiting price beat verification. Edit - nope, the reputable dealer won't price match the sketchy online only dealer - and it was one of the worst versions of the 8gb Rx580's (MSI v1) - and not going to risk buying it, so it's gunna be the GTX1060 for me now, LOL Edited January 12, 2019 by Redwo1f
Krau Posted January 17, 2019 Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) RX 580 is good enough for 1920x1080. I replaced my old Geforce 970 and RX 580 is about 20..30% faster Unfortunately it is not fast enough for 2550x1440 (70Hz). Seems that RX590 will not solve the issue... Edited January 17, 2019 by Krauz
Redwo1f Posted January 17, 2019 Author Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) Well, I saved a fair bit of money and got the GTX1060 6GB and am pleased with it. I gave it a modest memory overclock as well and it is running great - about 20 - 33% faster fps than my old RX470 (game dependent), and yes, going to be 1080p gaming for a while (though I am fine with that). My son ended up with a nice handme down upgrade to his R9 270, lol. Eventually will get a 1440p monitor and move to that, but probably not with this card (though in benchmarks it isn't that bad in 1440p with High detail (instead of ultra) - but that is a while down the road. No intention of going to 4k gaming at all. On a side note, here is a good video: Edited January 17, 2019 by Redwo1f
yogy Posted February 6, 2019 Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) Redwolf, I use the same resolution and want to buy a new PC. Question: How high are your "minimum" framerates in BoKuban with maximum settings in a demanding mission (lots of active AI objetcs)? Edited February 7, 2019 by yogy
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