Does il2 bos have THE best damage model?

[il2crashesnfails]

I made another compilation of crashes, and i reckon BOS has the best battle damage of all the comparable games.

I think rise of flight had great damage model aswell.

 

 

[il2crashesnfails]

1 hour ago, MK_RED13 said:

from 1:27 - 1:32... OMG.. how many hits does the russian plane absorb?? It is really funny...our adventure in funnyland continues…. Very nice video!!! Thank you il2crash.. 

 

Happy Holidays ? ? ? 

ikr!

I still cant attack bombers without getting totally wrecked

 

happy holidays to you too!

Edited December 24, 2018 by il2crashesnfails

[BubiHUN]

No, it is not the best DM.

But it could be.

[il2crashesnfails]

21 hours ago, -[HRAF]BubiHUN said:

No, it is not the best DM.

But it could be.

 

What do consider better?

[SAS_Storebror]

22 hours ago, MK_RED13 said:

OMG.. how many hits does the russian plane absorb?? It is really funny...our adventure in funnyland continues…

I smell a certain amount of Luftwhining again.

For your reference: It happens just as much that "the russian plane" dies on bullet no.1 as it does to any german one.

 

I like the damage model, it feels quite reasonable.

For both sides I'd like to add 

 

Mike

[BubiHUN]

5 minutes ago, SAS_Storebror said:

I smell a certain amount of Luftwhining again.

For your reference: It happens just as much that "the russian plane" dies on bullet no.1 as it does to any german one.

 

I like the damage model, it feels quite reasonable.

For both sides I'd like to add 

 

Mike

30mm is still underpowered, just as the 20 mm. 

[il2crashesnfails]

15 hours ago, -[HRAF]BubiHUN said:

30mm is still underpowered, just as the 20 mm. 

 

Really? I think if cannons gt any stronger they will cut the planes into half

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

2 hours ago, il2crashesnfails said:

 

Really? I think if cannons gt any stronger they will cut the planes into half

Yeah mean like they did IRL?
("single 20mm burst should be enough to kill any plane if not you missed" - Some German Ace)

After all we are not seeking balance here we are after historical accuracy.
If that means LW can kill any russian plane with single burst from 20mm and the russians can do the same with 23mm so be it.
(if thats how it was really in ww2 then thats what we need to have modeled)

It cant be anything but historically accurate.
This is not an MMO there is no need or want to Balance the Sim to be fair so then it becomes a game (games a balanced for fairness, sims are raw) .
Both sides do not need planes with same top speed or same turn rate.
They just need planes with the same specs as those that were seen ILR on the front.

Edited December 26, 2018 by =TBAS=Sshadow14

[il2crashesnfails]

1 hour ago, =TBAS=Sshadow14 said:

Yeah mean like they did IRL?
("single 20mm burst should be enough to kill any plane if not you missed" - Some German Ace)

After all we are not seeking balance here we are after historical accuracy.
If that means LW can kill any russian plane with single burst from 20mm and the russians can do the same with 23mm so be it.
(if thats how it was really in ww2 then thats what we need to have modeled)

It cant be anything but historically accurate.
This is not an MMO there is no need or want to Balance the Sim to be fair so then it becomes a game (games a balanced for fairness, sims are raw) .
Both sides do not need planes with same top speed or same turn rate.
They just need planes with the same specs as those that were seen ILR on the front.

 

I bow to superior knowledge

[Mad_Mikhael]

4 hours ago, =TBAS=Sshadow14 said:

Yeah mean like they did IRL?
("single 20mm burst should be enough to kill any plane if not you missed" - Some German Ace) (...)

1

Question is, what is a single burst? MG 151/20 spits 11 rounds per second, so single burst may as well be 1 or 22 rounds or even more.

Just a thought.

[=RS=Stix_09]

5 hours ago, =TBAS=Sshadow14 said:

Yeah mean like they did IRL?
("single 20mm burst should be enough to kill any plane if not you missed" - Some German Ace)

After all we are not seeking balance here we are after historical accuracy.
If that means LW can kill any russian plane with single burst from 20mm and the russians can do the same with 23mm so be it.
(if thats how it was really in ww2 then thats what we need to have modeled)

It cant be anything but historically accurate.
This is not an MMO there is no need or want to Balance the Sim to be fair so then it becomes a game (games a balanced for fairness, sims are raw) .
Both sides do not need planes with same top speed or same turn rate.
They just need planes with the same specs as those that were seen ILR on the front.

 

I've always seen it as a game 1st sim 2nd, If it was a pure sim it would be quite a lot different. That's the problem I think, some people think its a sim 1st game 2nd ,it isn't.

They devs try to make it as realistic as possible, but to make it fun COMBAT simulator  it needs to be a game 1st, which it is.

 

Don't get me wrong its got many sim characteristics, much is quite well simulated, but a lot of stuff is not realistic in this game. If it was as unbalanced as you seem to think , a lot less people would play it. I'm not saying its fully balanced , it isn't, mainly it comes down to player number and the experience of players and the quality of the team work that determine balance , not so much the planes we have.

 

 

And partly that's also up to the mission designers

Edited December 26, 2018 by =RS=Stix_09

[JG27*Kornezov]

I think the visuals do not correlate with where the damage is taken. Visually it is a piece of art. I think there are two completely different discussions here.

My opinion is that unless there is a definite scientific process and the developers use science the model will not be as good as it could potentially be for example the finite element method to simulate different types of damages: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0020768312004416
It is not easy at all and right now there is not on the market a game or sim doing that. If you follow the link above you can realize that it is not a simple task software developers cannot do that alone a specific set of knowledge is needed. The simplest way is to make a model in Matlab and to adjust the existing damage model according to the matlab's model predictions.

Other approaches reflect just gaming perspective and the subjective sensibilities of the developing team, the result cannot be perfect at least in this universe. On the other hand if objective scientific method is used that could be used also as a marketing tool. Even they can sell it for other games too, as they will be the market leader if they can do it.
 

Edited December 26, 2018 by JG27_Kornezov

[il2crashesnfails]

1 hour ago, JG27_Kornezov said:

I think the visuals do not correlate with where the damage is taken

 

That is something I just noticed the other day. 

[JG7_X-Man]

Heck no its not the best! Not even by a long shot! The last patch really mucked it up! I am not sure - JG27_Kornezov said it best. 

Test: go into single player mode and shoot up some AI, pause the sim and look at the damage sustained and cross reference the damage to actual models of the aircraft via any reference source.

 

What you see are aircraft with huge gaping cannon shell holes were fuel tanks are suppose to be - flying along with only a stream of fuel or coolant  leak.

 

 

 

[Lusekofte]

I like flying the P40 have anyone noticed the damage on wings from cockpit view . Looks like they are done for old I’ll 2 back in 2000 . But I never seen better crash model wing break and the amazing tree top crashes where the tree bends. For that only I give dm 10 of 10

[il2crashesnfails]

39 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

I like flying the P40 have anyone noticed the damage on wings from cockpit view . Looks like they are done for old I’ll 2 back in 2000 . But I never seen better crash model wing break and the amazing tree top crashes where the tree bends. For that only I give dm 10 of 10

 

I like seeing the crack in the wing, so you know a wing break is imminent if you pull a hard g turn