'Unlocking' the BF 109 G-2 (when game is released)?

[Nil]

Do we have to clear a single player carrier, or get a million kills online? The 109G is the reason I bought this game (except to support every good flightsim, as it's such a niche market)

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

whatever you want/have to unlock, you have to do it in a singleplayercampaign. Online does not count. At least is that the last plan.

[BeastyBaiter]

It shouldn't be too bad tbh, it's not going to be like WT where you have to kill 5000 dudes over a particular area in order to unlock it. Just do the career mode (should be very good, RoF's is top notch) and you'll get it quickly somewhere along the way (F4's were on the way out in the time period represented, you won't have to do the whole career to get it). Besides, if you like the G2 you should like the F4 as well, they are very similar from a piloting standpoint.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I don't think they have said exactly what it will take to unlock everything. We're getting a good idea of what the various paths are to take but not the details.

 

Still.. if the Bf109G-2 is the objective, the very similar Bf109F-4 which is available right out of the box should be just as much fun. The two are fairly difficult to tell apart... I realize the G-2 adds to the performance level (taking the F-4s superiority over the Russian fighters a step further) but I doubt you'd be disappointed with having to slog through using the F-4 for a bit... it seems quite impressive in the Alpha version so far.

[Nil]

Thanks for the answers. And yes i have been positivly surprised by the F4.. (I just want an artificial horizon meter) (and I wanted the ugly 'bulges' too, but that wasn't introduced until later G-models it seems)

[Emgy]

If you are talking about multiplayer, I thought all planes were available from the minute you first play the release version? Off the top of my head so don't take it as gospel...

[Jaws2002]

If you are talking about multiplayer, I thought all planes were available from the minute you first play the release version? Off the top of my head so don't take it as gospel...

No.They won't. You have to work to make the money for the game, then you have to work(in game, in a way you probably hate) to be allowed to enjoy the planes you paid for.

 

You can't just buy a game and enjoy it anymore.

[Matt]

whatever you want/have to unlock, you have to do it in a singleplayercampaign. Online does not count. At least is that the last plan.

I thought the "last plan" was that everyone who bought BoS by now, will have all planes and will not need to unlock any of them. People who buy BoS after the release will have to unlock the planes.

 

Atleast that's how i understood Developer update 44

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/page-2?do=findComment&comment=61628

 

Unlocking mods is a different matter.

Edited February 15, 2014 by Matt

[BMA_West]

Gosh, there is always the automatic pilot and time functions, isn't there?

Prob a good way to put those to some use LOL

[=RvE=Windmills]

 

And there're massive differences that you should note: all Premium and Standard edition owners already own all the planes that you've purchased. But in future we'll offer another edition where player will need to unlock planes as well as modifications for them. That's why the unlock topic may be not entirely devoted to Premium and Standard edition owners - you guys have the planes already.

 

 

Still doesn't really follow through logically though.

 

You add unlockables to the game, because you think it's going to be enjoyable to unlock them. Now we have the ability to not be forced to unlock things, isn't that just admitting that it's not a fun process? If it is, why take it out?

 

And if it's not fun, what could possibly be the rationale for having it be there at all for any player?

[Emgy]

What's unfun for some could be fun for others. From the single player perspective, starting your career in a Lagg and finishing in a Yak guards squadron could be appreciable? 

Edited February 15, 2014 by Calvamos

[Nil]

As long as they are unlocked in multiplayer, and 'dogfighting SP-mode' (to get used to them) I don't see any big problem with unlocking them in the carieer, either by time period or achivements, preferably time when they where introduced, rather then 'grinding' enemies.

[=RvE=Windmills]

What's unfun for some could be fun for others. From the single player perspective, starting your career in a Lagg and finishing in a Yak guards squadron could be appreciable? 

 

Everything can be unlocked and you can still be 'locked' into a certain plane when a career starts only to transition to a more advanced variant at a later stage. Just because you have no planes completely locked away doesn't mean you can't have progression within a campaign.

 

Providing evidence for something being 'fun' or not usually isn't all that easy, but when it comes to determining if unlockables in games actually add something it's quite possible. Currently I just see a major part of content locked away initially, for no real reason aside from having unlockables. It's very hard to make unlockables that aren't purely frustrating in a sim like this. Especially when we're dealing with limited content on the initial release.

 

I play a stupid variety of games, from FPS (Battlefield, Arma, RO, Insurgency etc) to RTS and sims. I'm not really for or against unlockables, it all depends on the game and the implementation. Unlockables when done right can add enjoyment to games, but its also very easy to mess it up and end up with something that's just frustrating because all it doesn is restrict content and options.

 

We'll see what exactly they have planned, but it doesn't look like they're on the right track with this.

Edited February 15, 2014 by iLOVEwindmills

[Jaws2002]

What's unfun for some could be fun for others. From the single player perspective, starting your career in a Lagg and finishing in a Yak guards squadron could be appreciable? 

 

 

That's exactly why unlocks should not be forced on everyone in a single gaming mode. For offline career, it could be fun to actually work for something, but even for offline, this should be a user choice. There's a huge part of this community that uses the offline just to setup controls, take few screenshots or test things in game.

 

It's wrong to force them to do something they don't want to do. It's their limited time, their money. They should be allowed to play the game the way they want after they paid for it in full.

 

The last offline campaign I finished in a sim, was the Experten Campaign, soon after the release of Forgotten Battles. Not because they are not fun, but because my time was limited and I had so much more fun online, with friends on comms.

Edited February 15, 2014 by Jaws2002

[Cybermat47]

You can't just buy a game and enjoy it anymore.

I find working towards something in a game to be fun myself. Just paying for something seems to me like the easy way out. Of course, when you have to pay for something but still have to unlock it, that seems a bit odd, but hey, I'll still be a bit proud when I earn the G-2.

Edited February 15, 2014 by Cybermat47

[FuriousMeow]

Good news, it's not being forced on anyone.

[LukeFF]

You can't just buy a game and enjoy it anymore.

 

I suggest that you lay off the hyperbole. Personally, I have purchased many a game recently that is enjoyable right out of the box. 

[Jaws2002]

I find working towards something in a game to be fun myself. Just paying for something seems to me like the easy way out. Of course, when you have to pay for something but still have to unlock it, that seems a bit odd, but hey, I'll still be a bit proud when I earn the G-2.

It comes down to how much time you have to play. When you have limited time to play, you want to use it in a way it gives you the most enjoyment.

[Volkoff]

Whatever the case may be, the Gustav will be a very lovely, graceful, and useful machine, perhaps the best overall fighter that has yet to be announced for the BOS series. The Gustav will be under your control soon enough, Pigmachine, be patient.   You will have countless hours of fun with the Gustav, no doubt!  The Gustav will be quite the sight in the virtual sky. For the folks with the red stars on their plane, like me, seeing a Gustav overhead is going to be like watching a shark pass under a surfboard, as graceful and beautiful as the Gustav or a shark may be, I will be content to part ways and be on my utterly unharmed  way, as soon as possible.  

 

MJ

Edited February 17, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

sidenote:

the F-4's DB601E should have WEP (Start-/Notleistung) setting

the G-2's DB605A should have no WEP setting

during the given timeframe (end 42, early 43) of BoS .

 

anyway, one is not always flying with WEP :D , at lower throttle settings the 605 should have more 'punch'

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Do we have to clear a single player carrier, or get a million kills online? The 109G is the reason I bought this game (except to support every good flightsim, as it's such a niche market)

 

You're from War Thunder, aren't you? :D

[Volkoff]

sidenote:

the F-4's DB601E should have WEP (Start-/Notleistung) setting

the G-2's DB605A should have no WEP setting

during the given timeframe (end 42, early 43) of BoS .

 

anyway, one is not always flying with WEP :D , at lower throttle settings the 605 should have more 'punch'

 

Thanks for the heads up, Frankyboy! The Gustav is going to be one fine ride. In multiplayer, I have to see if I can slap some red stars on a Gustav and pass it off as a top secret new VVS plane high altitude interceptor.  

 

MJ 

[Volkoff]

Do we have to clear a single player carrier, or get a million kills online? The 109G is the reason I bought this game (except to support every good flightsim, as it's such a niche market)

 

 

You're from War Thunder, aren't you? :D

 

If Pigmachine is motivated by a War Thunder experience, I do not blame Pigmachine for his concern, although, I am convinced that the ICGS team would never create such a system. I just started playing War Thunder, specifically so I can play with their Mig-3. Well, I spent most of my free time attempting to set up my controls, rather than playing. I still don't have a Mig-3 or even know how to get the Mig-3. I have not been able to even get into a multiplayer match, for some reason.   MJ

 

P.S. On the topic of free to play, Rise of Flight is free to play and ROF is a great flight sim. 

Edited February 17, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[DoWSiq6Six]

If Pigmachine is motivated by a War Thunder experience, I do not blame Pigmachine for his concern, although, I am convinced that the ICGS team would never create such a system. I just started playing War Thunder, specifically so I can play with their Mig-3. Well, I spent most of my free time attempting to set up my controls, rather than playing. I still don't have a Mig-3 or even know how to get the Mig-3. I have not been able to even get into a multiplayer match, for some reason.   MJ

 

P.S. On the topic of free to play, Rise of Flight is free to play and ROF is a great flight sim.

 

To fly it soonest, choose a plane you own in the same tree. Research points will go further that way. Be sure to select "any server" also. Speeds up the process. You can also select [?] to get in a match even faster. It'll queue you into all available nations, choosing your last selected/highlighted plane for each. Tho you won't gain RP towards the mig when your flying for Germany.

 

All the matchmaker nonsense will make you more eager to fly in BoS... Or well any other sim. All the abuse of planes with broken flight models will make you more eager to uninstall WT.... While at the same time increase your appreciation for BoS & other flight combat sims.

 

So enjoy your time spent in WT and please remember - the douchebags abusing exploits primarily consist of free-to-players who rarely invest & will more likely than not be seen flying in BoS.

[Volkoff]

To fly it soonest, choose a plane you own in the same tree. Research points will go further that way. Be sure to select "any server" also. Speeds up the process. You can also select [?] to get in a match even faster. It'll queue you into all available nations, choosing your last selected/highlighted plane for each. Tho you won't gain RP towards the mig when your flying for Germany.

 

All the matchmaker nonsense will make you more eager to fly in BoS... Or well any other sim. All the abuse of planes with broken flight models will make you more eager to uninstall WT.... While at the same time increase your appreciation for BoS & other flight combat sims.

 

So enjoy your time spent in WT and please remember - the douchebags abusing exploits primarily consist of free-to-players who rarely invest & will more likely than not be seen flying in BoS.

Thanks for the advice! Yeah, War Thunder does make me see the merits of the 1CGS way of doing things, that is for sure! If it weren't for that blasted Mig-3, I would not even bother with War Thunder. I might still not bother with War Thunder, though. I am better off spending War Thunder time just begging the 1CGS team to make a proper late version Mig-3 add-on.

 

MJ

Edited February 18, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[Jaws2002]

I got the War thunder beta a long time ago.  I even bought a couple of extra planes few minutes after I installed it. 

When I read that I had to get 50 kills in He112B if I wanted the Romanian skin, was the last time I touched the bloody game. 

Edited February 18, 2014 by Jaws2002

[CheeseGromit]

You're from War Thunder, aren't you? :D

 

It's not just War Thunder necessarily, unlocks are everywhere these days. Done well they give a sense of goal and progression, done poorly it's a painful grind that sucks your will to play.

 

It'll be interesting to see how this game handles it. Will that version be cheaper with micro-transactions to speed up unlocks? (I'm not entirely joking).

[Vovolov]

Unlocks have no place in a serious simulation game (that you pay for). I hope they give up on that plan.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Unlocks have no place in a serious simulation game (that you pay for). I hope they give up on that plan.

 

I back this 100%. I've read a lot of historical documentation about the Luftwaffe, and in my thousand or more hours of reading, I have not come across a passage that described Erich Hartmann's grind to unlock his G2 and to remove the armored headrest from his F4.

[Nil]

War Thunder is i kiddie game .. so no I'm not from there.
I still have IL2 1946 on harddrive with latest Daidalos Team patch.. and sadly I have CLOD on my steam-account (not installed) (it might work ok now that i bought a new GFX-card, but I'm not willing to chance!)

And I back the backing above my post ^

Edited February 19, 2014 by Pigmachine

[dburne]

 

War Thunder is i kiddie game .. so no I.m not from there.

I still have IL2 1946 on harddrive with latest Daidalos Team patch.. and sadly I have CLOD on my steam-account (not installed) (it might work ok now that i bought a new GFX-card, but I'm not willing to chance!)

 

 

 

Cliffs is an incredible sim with the TF mod, you should really give it a try especially as you already own it. They are currently at TF 4.0, with 4.2 due out here pretty soon...

 

They have accomplished quite a lot with their modding, basically going in and fixing many things that were broken, and tweaking it for better - and I mean much better, performance.

Some really good user made campaigns out for it now as well.

 

I would not really highly recommend just the vanilla Steam version, but patched up to TF4 with the Team Fusion mods, it is incredible.

[Bando]

I would not really highly recommend just the vanilla Steam version, but patched up to TF4 with the Team Fusion mods, it is incredible.

 

Agree. Specially with sweet fx working. Looks awesome.

Edited February 19, 2014 by Bando

[Cybermat47]

War Thunder is i kiddie game .. so no I'm not from there.

 

I would be offended, but I am a kid...

[Nil]

I would be offended, but I am a kid...

Some friends tried to convince me to start playing (so they get more ingame money) And I watched a few youtube videos from it, and it looked worse then i thought! Everyone used outside view, so it was some kind of FPS in the sky.. I'm 41 years old and look like my avatar, so it's not for me :D

Edited February 19, 2014 by Pigmachine

[Volkoff]

War Thunder is i kiddie game .. so no I'm not from there.

I still have IL2 1946 on harddrive with latest Daidalos Team patch.. and sadly I have CLOD on my steam-account (not installed) (it might work ok now that i bought a new GFX-card, but I'm not willing to chance!)

 

And I back the backing above my post ^

 

It is definitely an arcade game, but I do really appreciate that War Thunder is a breeding ground for future ROF, IL2, and DCS flight simmers. On this forum, I have noticed War Thunder players showing up, looking to try out the combat flight simulation experience, now that they have tried and enjoyed the arcade air combat  experience. As for my time with War Thunder, I finally tried out the Mig-3 that I wanted to play with. The flight model was not anything super impressive, like our LaGG-3, but the War Thunder Mig-3 is free and it is pretty looking. If it does nothing else, it makes me want the 1CGS team to make a really high fidelity late version Mig-3 add-on plane.

 

MJ

Edited February 20, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[Siavash]

Some friends tried to convince me to start playing (so they get more ingame money) And I watched a few youtube videos from it, and it looked worse then i thought! Everyone used outside view, so it was some kind of FPS in the sky.. I'm 41 years old and look like my avatar, so it's not for me :D

In War Thunder you can play in simulation mode, so you haven't outside view or mouse aim ... . It will be different from what you've seen , I'm playing IL2 1946 , CLOD , ROF and DCS  , and War Thunder certainly would not be as good as them. But simulation mode of War Thunder it is closer to what you have to convince .

[LukeFF]

I back this 100%. I've read a lot of historical documentation about the Luftwaffe, and in my thousand or more hours of reading, I have not come across a passage that described Erich Hartmann's grind to unlock his G2 and to remove the armored headrest from his F4.

 

Do you really think that a brand-new pilot would be allowed by his CO to remove a piece of armor from his plane that was meant for his protection?

[Cybermat47]

Do you really think that a brand-new pilot would be allowed by his CO to remove a piece of armor from his plane that was meant for his protection?

Depends on the CO.

[Jaws2002]

Do you really think that a brand-new pilot would be allowed by his CO to remove a piece of armor from his plane that was meant for his protection?

 

Maybe. Maybe not. But then, the government paid for the planes not the pilots.

[LukeFF]

Depends on the CO.

 

Oh, you have much to learn...

 

Maybe. Maybe not. But then, the government paid for the planes not the pilots.

 

...and the CO is the one who has to account for the condition of his pilots and aircraft.