Developer Diary, Part 53

[AldoUSMC]

Enjoying this weekends release a great deal.  IL-2 is fun to fly....and they weren't kidding about the AAA Gunners have been to training.....

 

Guess they were tired of getting hammered during last weeks release.....(the AAA Crews that is...)

 

I haven't made it out of the target area alive yet..day or night.. in the IL-2... but I'll keep trying...

 

Thanks Dev Team.

Edited February 15, 2014 by AldoUSMC

[Goanna1]

Those searchlights are devastating you really feel 'Like a deer or kangaroo (here) in the car headlights'

[Rigsby]

Has the time limit been cancelled now and we get to play this when we want? I saw in the previous update they said it would be removed this weekend? I wont get to try this out until Wednesday so hopefully someone can answer that.

Edited February 16, 2014 by Rigsby

[TheBlackPenguin]

Has the time limit been cancelled now and we get to play this when we want? I saw in the previous update they said it would be removed this weekend? I wont get to try this out until Wednesday so hopefully someone can answer that.

 

No, that was a misinterpretation. I think it will be removed when we get the QMB (which is after multiplayer), unless they make a mistake and leave access open lol.

[Rigsby]

No, that was a misinterpretation. I think it will be removed when we get the QMB (which is after multiplayer), unless they make a mistake and leave access open lol.

 

Where did you read that it was a misinterpretation? I'm not saying you are wrong, but how come they havn't mentioned it in the update this week?

[FuriousMeow]

Notice the absence of "unlimited access" in the update? That's a dead giveaway it was misinterpreted. Also this forum has a search function and this can be found using that.

[AFSnake-eye]

What a blast this update is. At 62, I'm probably the most uncoordinated gamer you will meet but I have fun. The 109 and Lagg were a real challenge for me to just land. I've probably made 2 0r 3 successful landings of the 109 and/or Lagg and I've been here since the beginning. The Il2 is a real treat. I took off and actually landed the first time. What a great plane.

 

This has been a thoroughly enjoyable alpha and if the release of the Il2 is any indication I'm really going to enjoy this sim.

Skline thank you so much ..so at least I'm not alone

[Nankeen]

As most do with a surprise, you look to see what goodies are inside. And like this Alpha release, most see something new every week, (no monthly waits with updates from this Dev Team). In saying that, Its looked on as a good thing and imo think we are indeed very lucky with the quality of this sim to date  

 

The IL-2 is a great ride,  and with pratice a leathal aerial weapon. I really needed to think about the tactics when engaging those well trained crack shot AAA. Patients, good timing and luck aided me with those sortes.

Like how the external sight was thought of when the IL-2 was modeled, and could see how crash landings would have contributed to many pilot head injurys in the past, (no pad on the gun sight in this baby).

For those that have not tried this BOS sim to date and are thinking about giving it a go, what are you waiting for? BOS is a truely great combat flight simulator in the making. Besides, practice makes for a better pilot right?   

 

 

Boomerang

 

 

 

[DD_Arthur]

Nice screenies Boomerang!

[PB0_Foxy]

 

Like how the external sight was thought of when the IL-2 was modeled, and could see how crash landings would have contributed to many pilot head injurys in the past, (no pad on the gun sight in this baby).

For those that have not tried this BOS sim to date and are thinking about giving it a go, what are you waiting for? BOS is a truely great combat flight simulator in the making. Besides, practice makes for a better pilot right? 

 

Boomerang

The gun sight have 2 positions so may be the pilots retracted it if they got enough time 

[ShamrockOneFive]

This update has been most impressive... I've just had sometime to play around with it and the IL-2 in particular is very impressive. The number of basic loadouts for ground attack plus the unlocks is pretty cool. I'm much happier with how the unlocks are working than I thought I would. You have everything you need to get started with just the defaults.

 

My biggest issue is that it appears the trim still doesn't work yet. Am I correct in that assumption? Flying and shooting is hard when you're fighting the plane so much.

[IckyATLAS]

Just a personal guess: maybe the trimmers are not yet active if the idea is not to have the game too much "playable" lets say. A kind of limitation/protection before it goes public.

[LukeFF]

Just a personal guess: maybe the trimmers are not yet active if the idea is not to have the game too much "playable" lets say. A kind of limitation/protection before it goes public.

 

And your guess is totally wrong and off-base. The feature simply hasn't been coded yet.

[ACG_Flyby]

I still can't get any elevator trim to work, and  so that makes flying any of the three models a tedious affair (I have the Cougar HOTAS). It keeps me from enjoying the sim even in it's limited development state..How is everyone else managing with the elevator trim? Also, do we really have to repeat our sign-ins after some updates (but all of them)? 

Flyby out

Edited February 17, 2014 by FlybyFlyby

[ST_ami7b5]

I still can't get any elevator trim to work, and  so that makes flying any of the three models a tedious affair (I have the Cougar HOTAS). It keeps me from enjoying the sim even in it's limited development state..How is everyone else managing with the elevator trim? Also, do we really have to repeat our sign-ins after some updates (but all of them)? 

Flyby out

 

The only working 'elevator trim' ATM is in Bf-109 - it's called "Adjustable stabilizer" and you'll find it under "Plane controls" iirc.

[-=PHX=-Satch]

I still can't get any elevator trim to work, and  so that makes flying any of the three models a tedious affair (I have the Cougar HOTAS). It keeps me from enjoying the sim even in it's limited development state..How is everyone else managing with the elevator trim? Also, do we really have to repeat our sign-ins after some updates (but all of them)? 

Flyby out

Try setting  ADJUSTABLE STABILIZER command for trim in german planes.

Sorry my english...

[ACG_Flyby]

the 109 not withstanding, it's regrettable that the developers inexplicably feel that activating trim controls for each aircraft released is not a pressing priority. I hope that line of thought changes very quickly. Lack of such trim has made me limit my exposure to the (continuing) updates, and I grow more distant from this product. Well, thems the breaks.

Flyby out

[FuriousMeow]

It's regrettable how very little many individuals understand about the development of software, let alone a simulation quality software. I would also hope that individuals would understand at this point trim is inconseqeuntial. This isn't a released product, it's so far from it that it's at less than 50% complete. There are more pressing manners than trimming a plane to fly level, and to believe otherwise shows a lack of understanding in development of this title. They aren't putting trim off to the side to create visuals, the person that works on trim also works on the engines and flight dynamics for all planes. So you want trim, others want the Il2, or the Stuka, or the 190, or etc. Trim will come when it can be focused on by that individual, the individuals working on the 3D models or the textures or the GUI or the MP side can't do it - so it's worked on when it can.

 

It's truly short sighted to think that trim is so important and your interest remain totally intrigued for hours on end when the title is less than 50% complete. Many complaints about unlimited access, and yet what to do with unlimited access?

 

Some of the negative comments at this stage of the game are truly disappointing from the individuals. If this was a released product I'd agree, it's the other title all over again. But it's not, it's not even close, it's way better, and it still has more than 50% to go to completion.

 

I paid for another product that's early access. I can walk around a hangar. That module was released around the same time as BoS, but I can still only walk around a hangar. So these posts here complaining of what little there is are, quite frankly, childish.

Edited February 17, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[Freycinet]

I find it inexplicable, intolerable and frankly aggravating that the developers IN THEIR WISDOM have not yet modelled ground-crew-wielding-hammers-to-knock-ice-off-the-elevators. I mean, we are supposed to be simulating the Russian winter here, aren't we!? Well, dear mr. Zak and dear mr. Albert, what good is "propeller pitch" and "mixture" if you can't get your plane off the ground because it is encased in a solid block of ice! First things first I say! Oh, but I guess the ground-crew-wielding-hammers-to-knock-ice-off-elevators-modeller was probably sauntering about the office or modelling the pilot wiping snot off his nose, but honestly: excuses like that just aren't good enough in this day and age. As a paying customer I demand oversight of your work schedules, or else.... I may just go sit in a corner and huff and puff till I get what I want!

 

[Jason_Williams]

the 109 not withstanding, it's regrettable that the developers inexplicably feel that activating trim controls for each aircraft released is not a pressing priority. I hope that line of thought changes very quickly. Lack of such trim has made me limit my exposure to the (continuing) updates, and I grow more distant from this product. Well, thems the breaks.

Flyby out

 

The goal is to have a quality FINISHED product. We never promised anyone full everything during Early Access which is an unfinished product. There are many priorities during development in different departments and it must be said that NO ONE has ever produced a quality WWII flight-sim as fast as we have with BOS.

 

Jason

[smink1701]

Word.

[AldoUSMC]

Jason,

 

I don't think the team has to worry about those kinds of comments and spend a lot of time defending your process (people not understanding the dev process and prioritization of work)..but it is good of you to take time to comment...on Presidents Day no less....

 

and..Freycinet.... that was a great tongue-in-cheek way of saying what I just did... thanks for a great laugh..

 

AldoUSMC

[Zak]

I find it inexplicable, intolerable and frankly aggravating that the developers IN THEIR WISDOM have not yet modelled ground-crew-wielding-hammers-to-knock-ice-off-the-elevators. I mean, we are supposed to be simulating the Russian winter here, aren't we!? Well, dear mr. Zak and dear mr. Albert, what good is "propeller pitch" and "mixture" if you can't get your plane off the ground because it is encased in a solid block of ice! First things first I say! Oh, but I guess the ground-crew-wielding-hammers-to-knock-ice-off-elevators-modeller was probably sauntering about the office or modelling the pilot wiping snot off his nose, but honestly: excuses like that just aren't good enough in this day and age. As a paying customer I demand oversight of your work schedules, or else.... I may just go sit in a corner and huff and puff till I get what I want!

Made my day.. Oh, please, don't think I'm not taking your demand seriously, sir!

[Static]

Can we get some trim love please? Every plane is a task to keep in level flight without being able to map trim to a key, or button.

 

Thanks for all the hard work and dedication.

[ACG_Flyby]

OK, I get everyone's beef with what I've said. I get it. So now it's explicable with regards to priorities. I'm aware no promises were made about the quality of an unfinished product. I got that before I bought in to early access; fully aware. I am lamenting that I do not have trim because the lack of it affects a difficulty for me in enjoying the degree of content within these limited updates. I kept hoping trim would show up by now, I keep hoping it will be enabled sooner rather than later. I know it will be enabled sooner than it's been. So I said it's regrettable, and I said it's inexplicable. Well, I still regret the lack of trim, even though I'm reminded that other aspects of the sim take precedent. I don't have an issue with the speed of development. in fact I haven't thought of any other aspect of the degree of development as an issue, and I'm not looking for issues with the pace of development. That said, I'd like to be able to trim a plane in BoS. I not having the trim hinders my enjoyment just that much because I'm constantly pushing forward on the stick, and it's tiring. So I spoke about it. I assume I can speak my opinion here, good, bad, or indifferent as long as I follow forum rules. I don't think I'll be banned for not coming across as a card-carrying fanboi either. Do we really want to go there? I've had my say. The developer responded in kind. end of story.

Flyby out.  

[71st_AH_Hooves]

OK, I get everyone's beef with what I've said. I get it. So now it's explicable with regards to priorities. I'm aware no promises were made about the quality of an unfinished product. I got that before I bought in to early access; fully aware. I am lamenting that I do not have trim because the lack of it affects a difficulty for me in enjoying the degree of content within these limited updates. I kept hoping trim would show up by now, I keep hoping it will be enabled sooner rather than later. I know it will be enabled sooner than it's been. So I said it's regrettable, and I said it's inexplicable. Well, I still regret the lack of trim, even though I'm reminded that other aspects of the sim take precedent. I don't have an issue with the speed of development. in fact I haven't thought of any other aspect of the degree of development as an issue, and I'm not looking for issues with the pace of development. That said, I'd like to be able to trim a plane in BoS. I not having the trim hinders my enjoyment just that much because I'm constantly pushing forward on the stick, and it's tiring. So I spoke about it. I assume I can speak my opinion here, good, bad, or indifferent as long as I follow forum rules. I don't think I'll be banned for not coming across as a card-carrying fanboi either. Do we really want to go there? I've had my say. The developer responded in kind. end of story.

Flyby out.  

While I understand your pain (literally)  It has been stated several times over and over, that they are working on the entire project, and that trim WILL come.  I guess I just kind of dealt with it.  I don't think that you need to go around praising everything about the game, in fact there are several things that I have pointed out that aren't what I would hope.  But saying things like "its regrettable" and its "inexplicable" , well that's just getting a little dramatic. 

 

  I support your right however, to say it like you see it, and applaud your level headed response.  Don't let development get in the way of enjoying yourself.  This project will get there.  As I'm sure you are aware.

[FuriousMeow]

I don't think I'll be banned for not coming across as a card-carrying fanboi either.

 

No, you won't. But for the terrible spelling of a stupid label and for using it you should be flogged repeatedly.

Edited February 18, 2014 by FuriousMeow

[AldoUSMC]

Yep Fly.... you are completely able to state your opinion on what you would like to see next IMO..but if you use terse tones/phrases... you should expect to draw fire too...  and that's not being a fan-boy... that's just being polite in written "conversation" !

[ACG_Flyby]

While I understand your pain (literally)  It has been stated several times over and over, that they are working on the entire project, and that trim WILL come.  I guess I just kind of dealt with it.  I don't think that you need to go around praising everything about the game, in fact there are several things that I have pointed out that aren't what I would hope.  But saying things like "its regrettable" and its "inexplicable" , well that's just getting a little dramatic. 

 

  I support your right however, to say it like you see it, and applaud your level headed response.  Don't let development get in the way of enjoying yourself.  This project will get there.  As I'm sure you are aware.

 

fair enough. it will get there. Perhaps a little dramatic, but how about a bit frustrated? That's really what I was feeling. But again, Jason said what he said, and I accept what he said.

If you could trim a plane to fly straight and level would that make you feel a whole lot better?

 

Why not get to know the 109 F-4? Map an axis or a couple of buttons to Horizontal Stabiliser and voilà, you got pitch trim!

 

OK, so the Lagg doesn't (yet) and the IL-2 doesn't (yet) either, but man, that 109 is a beaut to fly. And you can trim her to your heart's content.

 

Try it, you might enjoy it ... at least enough to satisfy you until trim is created for your preferred crate(s).

 

Peace.

 

I guess I wanted to experience trying to fight against a better performing plane, like a Wildcat versus a Zero,  but I take your point.

No, you won't. But for the terrible spelling of a stupid label and for using it you should be flogged repeatedly.

really? you're suggesting violence against another human being for spelling? 

 

 

Yep Fly.... you are completely able to state your opinion on what you would like to see next IMO..but if you use terse tones/phrases... you should expect to draw fire too...  and that's not being a fan-boy... that's just being polite in written "conversation" !

 

Well, I don't know that I should expect to draw fire for what I wrote. Polite conversation? Sure? Ridicule? I don't think so. When the tone devolves into a statement like "being dragged out and flogged"? What does such a person want you to think about me? Or about him for posting such a thing? That's just a someone who thinks he's going to score points with a mob crowd, in my view. I don't think there's a mob-crowd here. Is there? 

 

Again, Jason said what he had to say, as did I. Polite-like. Anyone else care to go polite. Be my guest. It's the preferred method of public discourse. But I don't think well of people who offer up ridicule if  someone doesn't seem to toe the line (not an actual line, mind you. I don't see one in this forum; but one created by some innate herding instinct for comfort at being on the same page as everyone else?)

well, that's life. Ain't it?

Flyby out 

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Im thinking the flogging comment was satire.

[Panzerlang]

I don't trim my 109 to fly level, I have to maintain a bit of forward pressure on the stick, just like the real guys prefered (they did it so the plane would respond instantly in combat).

[Feathered_IV]

I don't trim my 109 to fly level, I have to maintain a bit of forward pressure on the stick, just like the real guys prefered (they did it so the plane would respond instantly in combat).

I wonder... One often reads about aircraft who's pilots are mortally hit, going into a rapid climb or zoom. Most writers seem to suggest the wounded flyer is clutching the stick to their stomach. Now that I think of it, people are much more likely to let go of what they are holding when suffering a severe injury. Perhaps these "death climbs" as I've heard them described are an indication of just how much forward pressure is required and the result when the pressure is suddenly released?

[Panzerlang]

Lipfert describes in his memoirs the habit of trimming nose-up for the reason I mentioned in my post above. Another book describes how a plane trimmed level would exhibit a moment of 'mushiness' when pulling back on the stick.

[EdwardTheGreat]

so... my dear fellow IL2 forum users. Freedom of Speech!

 

 

OK, I get everyone's beef with what I've said. I get it. So now it's explicable with regards to priorities. I'm aware no promises were made about the quality of an unfinished product. I got that before I bought in to early access; fully aware. I am lamenting that I do not have trim because the lack of it affects a difficulty for me in enjoying the degree of content within these limited updates. I kept hoping trim would show up by now, I keep hoping it will be enabled sooner rather than later. I know it will be enabled sooner than it's been. So I said it's regrettable, and I said it's inexplicable. Well, I still regret the lack of trim, even though I'm reminded that other aspects of the sim take precedent. I don't have an issue with the speed of development. in fact I haven't thought of any other aspect of the degree of development as an issue, and I'm not looking for issues with the pace of development. That said, I'd like to be able to trim a plane in BoS. I not having the trim hinders my enjoyment just that much because I'm constantly pushing forward on the stick, and it's tiring. So I spoke about it. I assume I can speak my opinion here, good, bad, or indifferent as long as I follow forum rules. I don't think I'll be banned for not coming across as a card-carrying fanboi either. Do we really want to go there? I've had my say. The developer responded in kind. end of story.

Flyby out.  

 

This is really an issue here!... those dear fellow fanboi forum users always come in aggressive with sticks and stones and spitting poison if anyone has something to say that is not overwhelming adoring worshipping, what they want to read , even some of the moderators are not neutral and this is NOT OK!

 

Why? Does it make you feel more ELITE? Or disturbing your celebration?

 

Lets see what we got here... someone says he misses trimming and it reduces the degree of fun playing this. Thats a fact for the OP author.

 

No need to get as personal like the following posters did (And this is really not the first case, it happens ALWAYS!). This should be intercepted by the moderators! As the forum rules do should not allow getting personal and mobbing people here... for their opinions. If others like it as it is, it is sufficient to say that without offending and trying to make users look ridiculous.

 

Consider this!

 

 

And to get to topic again.... I have not much interest to fly this game as long as the planes are not ready, missing gauges and functionality, including trim. No Multiplayer. no relative control for analog axis, restricted access time etc.

 

If others like that OK for me. BUT DO STOP YOUR OFFENDING BEHAVIOUR to NON Fanbois! Show respect or loose it yourselves.

Edited February 18, 2014 by EdwardTheGreat

[EdwardTheGreat]

No, it's phrases like "it's regrettable that the developers inexplicably feel..." that gets up people's noses.

 

The reasons why, certain things have taken priority over others, have already been explained so "developers inexplicably feel" is an unnecessarily antagonistic phrase.

 

It's like some people are determined to make the forums a place of conflict just because they don't yet have trim.

 

Or, do they really believe they're so important that if they moan often enough and loud enough the whole course of the game's development will be shifted just to satisfy them?

 

When the product is finished, if something isn't right, then you have every right to complain.

Until then, it's just unhelpful.

 

OK, I am not a native speaker, but for me it is just an opinion different to the developers or Project Managers decisions. Though I get your point.

 

I feel like some people just wait for a non positive post to get out their clubs... Thats what makes this forum a bit suspicious sometimes.

Edited February 18, 2014 by EdwardTheGreat

[LLv44_Mprhead]

I think Ed has a point there, at least to me it seems that some people here have tendency to come out in defence of BoS too heavily and could do with some re-evaluation of their approach.

[I/JG27_Rollo]

To me, that tendency (or the amount of people with that tendency) appears to have decreased over the last few months.

I think it's like Extreme_One said: it depends on the way how people express their dissatisfaction with certain features.

 

Reasonable posts like "I personally don't like feature/design decision XY because of <sensible reasons go here>", it's fine and most people are helpful enough to explain certain decisions - even if theywer discussed 10 times already.

However, if someone opens a post with an aggressive tone along the lines of "STUPID DEVS GIVE ME WHAT I WANT NOW I PAID FOR YOUR GAME!!!" (exaggeration intended), people may respond in kind.

 

EDIT: to add something to the actual topic: best early access weekend so far. The Sturmovik is great and I wish I could fly its scenario mission for the rest of the week!

Edited February 18, 2014 by I/JG27_Rollo

[FuriousMeow]

A point is lost when a label derived for the pure intent to insult is used and cast around freely when attempting to make said point. The instant 'fanboy/fanboi' is used all credibility is lost.

[Jason_Williams]

Guys,

 

Get back on track please and stop commenting on each other.

 

Jason

[IckyATLAS]

I should have added in my previous comment:

 

Thumbs up to all the team. You are doing an excellent work. I am in no hurry as I can see week by week the improvements. It is an early access and I agree trims are not the main priority.

 

A small comment for the AA light projectors during night missions. When I look directly at them even if I am at 3'000 mt high and far away it is an incredibly big white ball of light with a glare like if I was looking directly at the sun. And when these projectors are three or four then the battlefield, the city or everything on the ground becomes impossible to see. I have not flown during WWII night missions so I am wondering if this is realistic or not. At low altitude near the projector yes but far and high ?