How do you dogfight the P47?

[Cpt_Siddy]

On 12/13/2018 at 11:50 AM, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

I tested it, the Yellow yields best Performance.

 

This, if true, shows me even more that the carb mechanics is just a gimmick and not a real simulation of how the engine loop works. 

 

They can replace the carb temp gauge with banana and the result will be the same. 

 

Now, i know its a computer game, and by definition you cannot have bla bla bla, i am Descartes from the press. The point is, when carb temps go up, this means the air that is in there is hotter, less dense volume to volume, and squeezing it in mechanical supercharger yield less of total air and hotter air at the same time. This contribute to lower power and or knock.

 

So in theory, carb temp and cylinder head temp's are your real variable in manifold pressure you can run, assuming fuel octane and engine mechanical limits remain constant and working nominally. This also set the limit to WEP, and not the manul. 

 

 

[ZachariasX]

1 hour ago, CptSiddy said:

The point is, when carb temps go up, this means the air that is in there is hotter, less dense volume to volume, and squeezing it in mechanical supercharger yield less of total air and hotter air at the same time. This contribute to lower power and or knock.

That's what I would have thought as well.

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

3 hours ago, CptSiddy said:

 

This, if true, shows me even more that the carb mechanics is just a gimmick and not a real simulation of how the engine loop works. 

 

They can replace the carb temp gauge with banana and the result will be the same. 

 

 Now, i know its a computer game, and by definition you cannot have bla bla bla, i am Descartes from the press. The point is, when carb temps go up, this means the air that is in there is hotter, less dense volume to volume, and squeezing it in mechanical supercharger yield less of total air and hotter air at the same time. This contribute to lower power and or knock.

 

 So in theory, carb temp and cylinder head temp's are your real variable in manifold pressure you can run, assuming fuel octane and engine mechanical limits remain constant and working nominally. This also set the limit to WEP, and not the manul. 

 

 

I don't know what Klauss-Man testing was like, but when I was running at WEP and closed the intercoolers to get the needle in the yellow, it lead to a significant speed loss

Edited December 14, 2018 by RoflSeal

[ZachariasX]

2 hours ago, RoflSeal said:

I don't know what Klauss-Man testing was like, but when I was running at WEP and closed the intercoolers to get the needle in the yellow, it lead to a significant speed loss

Closing intercoolers causes additional drag. Least drag is in „neutral“ position.

 

Edit: You probably had to use excessive turbo and less throttle use to get MAP compression up. But then again, the supercharger bleeds some shaft hp.

Edited December 14, 2018 by ZachariasX

[Cpt_Siddy]

2 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

Closing intercoolers causes additional drag. Least drag is in „neutral“ position.

 

Edit: You probably had to use excessive turbo and less throttle use to get MAP compression up. But then again, the supercharger bleeds some shaft hp.

 

 

In reality, it would be counter productive to raise manifold with turbo before the throttle to supercharger is fully open. You will just waste horsepower this way. 

[ZachariasX]

1 hour ago, CptSiddy said:

 

In reality, it would be counter productive to raise manifold with turbo before the throttle to supercharger is fully open. You will just waste horsepower this way. 

Yes, exactly.

 

I would just have assumed that when firewalling all you have will give no more than „yellow“ temps in the manifold (if all goes well), just short of where things go south.

[OG_FC]

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