FW 190 A3 JG51 unit and group emblems questions

[adler_1]

hello

I am confused as to which were the correct emblems for the First second and third FW 190 A 3 units in Russia . Some were dedicated to the BF109 units while i am not sure wether some i found were used by FW 190 units . below is an example . 

Edited December 11, 2018 by dog1

[MiloMorai]

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[Bremspropeller]

Never seen the raven or Mickey on any JG 51 Fw 190.

Just had a quick look through all my JG 51 associated books and the only emblems I ever found were either the falcon-head (JG 51) or the goat (I/JG 51).

 

 

[FTC_Riksen]

- The first symbol you posted is for the 4/.JG52 which is part of the II./JG51;

 

- The second symbol is a general one for the JG51 unit in general (all gruppen);

 

- The third symbol was used for the 1./JG51 which was part of the I./JG51;

 

- The forth is a symbol for the First Gruppe of the JG51 (I./JG51);

 

- Fifth symbol corresponds to the one used by the II./JG51.

 

Now when u say first, second, and third JG51 units in Russia are you referring to Gruppen or Staffeln?

[sevenless]

Some more details here:

 

http://www.jg51.de/JG51_2009/wappen.htm

[Pierre64]

Look at this article from the highly recommended FalkeEins’ Luftwaffe blog :

http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2013/11/junkers-ju-352-aeroplane-archive-fw-190.html

The stylised chamois on a shield was painted under the cockpit on some Stab and I. Gruppe Fw 190 A-3s of JG51 at early stages in Russia as seen on the photograph below:

 

[MiloMorai]

[Juri_JS]

3 hours ago, dog1 said:

For the white set i think i will just place the Wing Geshwader emblem  blue falcon only and for the summer set the wing Geshwader emblem and the first group deer emblem .

I know it will look boring, but as far as I know JG 51 Fw-190s with winter camo did not show any unit emblems.

[PatrickAWlson]

The bird with the umbrella seems like a BoB era emblem given that it says "Gott Strafe England"

[sevenless]

48 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

The bird with the umbrella seems like a BoB era emblem given that it says "Gott Strafe England"

 

It is a hint on the umbrella man, Neville Chamberlain.

 

As for the OPs original question: Neither 1st, 2nd or 3rd Staffel I. Gruppe Jagdgeschwader 51 used any squadron emblems on their Focke-Wulfs. Their FW 190s only showed Group emblem, Geschwader emblem or both or none at all, at least on the pictures I have seen.

 

 

Edited December 11, 2018 by sevenless

[adler_1]

Winter camo

 I as well have never seen any emblem on their winter camo , i have done the IL2 ones years ago and  they were just plain white with in some cases the yellow ID markings .

BOB era

The markings are from  their 1940 presence in France during BOB  flying  Emils . They were then painted in some cases on their Freidrichs even though they left the channel area .

JG51 markings

I will skin JG51 FW's white with Geschwader emblem anyway  as a generic to give color and the greens with the first group emblem as well unless i find more images of group 2 and 3 along the way in Russia . 

[MiloMorai]

It is not group 2 and 3  but II and III Gruppe.

 

II./JG51

III./JG51