My Career just abruptly ended with,

[Gl-l0st]

Executed for war crimes.

For firing on a friendly parked Yak-1 at Russian airfield we were attacking.

This was the Kuban Career for Gerhart Hahn may he rest in peace, he also received the "German Cross in Gold".

Is this a bug or have I inadvertantly killed my Career pilot?

[Mauf]

 

Sounds like a bug if the airfield belonged to the enemy and was marked for an attack run. Consider your poor chap the unluckiest man on the eastern front to shoot that one yak that was manned by the Führer's favourite spy:)

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Lol

[sevenless]

WOW! Never saw this. Very Cool.

 

I always wondered why I get this warning for firing on friendly troops in the career when I shoot down IL-2s when they are in the target dive and my missing bullets strafe the ground units. Now I know that this might have consequences. Nice!

Edited December 11, 2018 by sevenless

[Bremspropeller]

I have gotten penalties for attacking random targets of opportunity behind the frontline - including parked airplanes that clearly were soviet.

[unreasonable]

It is absurd that this "feature" is in the career at all. The fact is that "blue on blue"  engagements happened all the time, and stray fire hitting whoever was just a fact of life.

 

Also TBH neither the Nazis nor the Soviets had exactly a modern liberal's conception of what constituted a war crime. Indeed you were more likely, in both German and Soviet forces, to be executed for refusing to carry out war crimes than for doing them.

 

This is just a carry over from the MP mentality that discourages "team killing" and has no place in SP.   Quite funny in this case: but a shame if it ruins an "iron-man" career.

[SAS_Storebror]

Seems to be a general issue with Patch 3.008 that the game can't distinguish between friend and foe.

We've been flying online with 4 guys on sunday and one of us was strafing russian artillery with his 110.

It definitely was russian arty, I can say so because I've made the mission 

Nevertheless, the server gave endless alerts about friendly fire to him while he was attacking these ML-20 howitzers.

IL-2 Stats got that right (checked after mission rolled), the server didn't.

 

Mike

[Bremspropeller]

13 minutes ago, unreasonable said:

It is absurd that this "feature" is in the career at all. The fact is that "blue on blue"  engagements happened all the time, and stray fire hitting whoever was just a fact of life.

 

It happened (and still happens today*) all the time. On the german side this was mostly subject to court martial - and those guys wen't ducking around**.

I'm quite sure the same is true for Uncle Joe's army.

 

There are instances, though, where pilots who shot "bues" down (including their own Staffelkapitän) had the charges dropped.

They were usually devastated about their own mistake ayway.

I guess it depended on the talent of their superiors to persuade the court.

___

* See the Hornet and Tornado Gr 4 fracticides made by overzealous Patriot battery crews during OIF as some of the latest examples in the air war.

** In fact, the german court-martial system was mad - they'd try to get their hands on crew-chiefs that accidentally banged airplanes when taxiiing them to the line in the morning. And they were persistant - sometimes in 1945 courts were held for offenses that had been done one or two years earlier.

 

[unreasonable]

3 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

It happened (and still happens today*) all the time. On the german side this was mostly subject to court martial - and those guys wen't ducking around**.

I'm quite sure the same is true for Uncle Joe's army.

 

 

I am quite sure that of the many hundreds (or thousands) of incidents where German or Soviet planes bombed or strafed their own troops in error, a miniscule proportion would have been the subject of any sort of formal enquiry, let alone a court martial.  Furthermore I would guess that in no cases was anyone "executed  for war crimes" as a result.

 

As a game mechanic, it is just a silly piece of unnecessary hassle.   

 

 

[Bremspropeller]

I am quite sure that it all depended down on the individual case and can't be swept aside with a broad brush. Especially when mid-level superiors were in place that wanted to make a name of themselves for picking up slacks and being tough on "neglect and incompetence". Usually (but not always) that didn't mean capital punishment, but "Bewährungseinsatz" some place else.

 

The "war crimes" label doesn't fit anyway.

[Gl-l0st]

I agree that this is hilarious, but poor Oberfeldwebel Hahn was doing his duty, in this instance the target was a Yak-1 on a Russian targeted airfield 20km from the front line. The only logical explanation is German spy infiltrating Russian airfield steals Yak-1 but is subsequently shot up by Gerhart Hahn during frenzied ground pounding.

Now Oberfeldwebel is executed and I have absolutely no idea how to resuscitate him.  ;(

 

On a more serious note, this is a career bug which possibly has been reported?

 

Edited December 11, 2018 by Gl-l0st

[unreasonable]

2 hours ago, Gl-l0st said:

 

On a more serious note, this is a career bug which possibly has been reported?

 

 

I have not seen this particular one: but there was someone posting a case where a flight of Russian aircraft were labeled and acting like Germans in flight, with the ME revealing that their nationality was set as German despite all having Russian pilot names.

 

It looks to me as though this was a variant of that bug. If you have not yet generated another mission in career or QMB you could check the mission using the ME. 

 

As for resuscitation: there was a thread about how to revive a stalled career by making some text edits. I have no idea if that will work for you but it might be worth a try. 

 

Edited December 11, 2018 by unreasonable

[Godspeed]

Same stuff i have encountered few times except i was forgiven of destroying the "allied enemy"

[Bremspropeller]

8 minutes ago, Godspeed said:

Same stuff i have encountered few times except i was forgiven of destroying the "allied enemy"

 

Wait 'till the Commissar hears about this!

[LukeFF]

15 hours ago, Gl-l0st said:

On a more serious note, this is a career bug which possibly has been reported?

 

I have made a report about it in the closed beta testing forum. 

[Gl-l0st]

17 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

I have gotten penalties for attacking random targets of opportunity behind the frontline - including parked airplanes that clearly were soviet.

Yes during this mission I received a penalty warning for firing on the Yak-1. When I landed and parked back at base after winning the attack, thats when the war crimes and execution proceeded but I also received the german cross in gold that makes it even more weird.

[Gl-l0st]

My apologies for reviving this 2018 dated thread. I recently attempted to fix my career that was ended as mentioned in the beginning of this thread. I have used the Database Browser Editor which has been mentioned in another Thread, this has allowed me to skip forwards and skip backwards past the date the career pilot was executed and to start a new mission. Unfortunately every time I complete a successful mission my pilot ends up executed for war crimes and the career is ended. My question is do I need to edit more than just the database file, is this mission fixable, I would really like to continue with the career and would appreciate any help or suggestions regarding a solution.

[firdimigdi]

One vay or another, vee gonna getcha...

 

It's not enough to change the date, there are sortie results that are evaluated and pilot states. Sadly I don't know the values by heart but I've fixed a similar error in a Soviet campaign via trial and error by deleting entries from the table that contains the mission outcomes and the one with the pilot data.

 

The most important thing seemed to be to sync all dates across all tables. So if you delete the mission that caused this you have to go through all tables and maje sure no entries exist with dates past the last completed mission's; hope that makes sense.