Rudder trim alternative

[brauner12]

Im fully aware of turque and prop wash effect, but having simple spring twist joystick makes it all but impossible to fly reasonably straight and level during cruise for prolonged duration. Even though bf109 didnt feature rudder trim tabs in real life, it also didnt feature cheap consumer level simple sprung stick controller as well. Having to hold the wrist against spring forces for 95% of sim time will be extremely obnoxious. If only there would be a way to really set response curves such as adding a linear offset so some degree of input is maintained without getting wrist pain.

 

I know its realistic behavior, but considering the costs of FFB rudder padels i would expect some king of a software solution as a compromise.

Edited December 9, 2018 by brauner12

[montag]

It is actually trimmed for cruise around max continuous. Obviously it depends on the altitude and temperature as well, but for 95% of the flight it is reasonably trimmed. You can adjust your throttle until you are trimmed if a little slip bugs you that much.

[brauner12]

it does for very slow cruise (aboubt 300kmh at 3-4km) anything above 40% throw and it starts to yaw again

[RedKestrel]

I believe there is an 'auto rudder' setting in the difficulty settings if you're playing SP. Other than that I don't know a solution that wouldn't require some kind of player input.

its kind of a pain to have your foot pressed forward a bit the whole flight too. That's why they invented rudder trim in the first place of course. 

But I feel you, this is why I don't like the Yak-1 too much for long climbs or trips. 

[MiloMorai]

That is why real life 109 pilots had one 'fat' leg and one normal leg.

[Sokol1]

The solution is the same implemented for RoF: " AI-autopilot for level flight: on/off", use this for straight and long flights.

 

 

[HandyNasty]

If you just took off and are climbing, take the easy road : don't put in rudder. If you're not under stress whatsoever, don't put in rudder .

You'll fly uncoordinated (which is heretic!) but you won 't have a sprained wrist after your daily 8h of flying

[danielprates]

10 hours ago, Sokol1 said:

The solution is the same implemented for RoF: " AI-autopilot for level flight: on/off", use this for straight and long flights.

 

 

 

I use it a lot and I guess a lot of us do. Unrealistic of course, but I would call it a "quality of life hack", to mimic the pilot (ingame) wholeheartesly flying the plane while the pilot (in RL) is checking his messages or so.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

With a good pair of pedals like mfgs it is not a problem because they are quite light/smooth.

 

I know the devs will not do this but it would be cool if we could set the 109 rudder tab on the ground.  I'm not sure if pilots did this irl but to me it just looks like a plier job.

[ZachariasX]

2 hours ago, AeroAce said:

I know the devs will not do this but it would be cool if we could set the 109 rudder tab on the ground.  I'm not sure if pilots did this irl but to me it just looks like a plier job.

I am reading this as if you would want to set that tab such that the aircraft for instance is straight when going at high speed and power.

 

I seriously doubt that you would want to change the trim tab on a real 109. If you do not have an intermediate setting, as it will become incredibly hard to counter the trim forces in a steep climb or take off. These aircraft produce extreme control forces when wrongly trimmed. I seriously doubt that you could hold the aircraft straight in a climb for several minutes if it was trimmed for high speed. Conversely, trimmed for climb, you will not be able to hold it in a dive.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

20 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

I am reading this as if you would want to set that tab such that the aircraft for instance is straight when going at high speed and power.

 

I seriously doubt that you would want to change the trim tab on a real 109. If you do not have an intermediate setting, as it will become incredibly hard to counter the trim forces in a steep climb or take off. These aircraft produce extreme control forces when wrongly trimmed. I seriously doubt that you could hold the aircraft straight in a climb for several minutes if it was trimmed for high speed. Conversely, trimmed for climb, you will not be able to hold it in a dive.

 

LOL i didn't say it would be beneficial, I just said it would be cool!!

[Guest deleted@83466]

I'd rather see something like the "Special" tab that you have in DCS, where on something like the K-4, that had ground adjustable rudder and aileron tabs, you can adjust them.  On a plane that didn't, then you can't.  I think providing the blanket joystick offsets, a la Rise of Flight, where people can basically customize away a lot of unwelcome control tendencies in any axis that that doesn't suit them, is a step too far.  Nevertheless, I've heard that this capability is being implemented (primarily for the sake of Flying Circus players who complain of tired hands), so that's how it will be. 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

2 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

I'd rather see something like the "Special" tab that you have in DCS, where on something like the K-4, that had ground adjustable rudder and aileron tabs, you can adjust them.  

 

That is what I am saying but It is not gona help the OP as you will just be shifting the problem to another flight regime.

 

I think long story short , twist sticks and flight sims will never be an optimal solution!

 

[danielprates]

22 minutes ago, AeroAce said:

 

LOL i didn't say it would be beneficial, I just said it would be cool!!

 

Same here. Being a thing that actually existed (and still does in many planes), I can't see why not have it. It could even use the same key binding used for the rudder trim, except that as soon as your speed rises above zero it sticks to its current position. Seems like a pretty simple thing to implement. 

 

 

[Guest deleted@83466]

...Or just get yourself some rudder pedals.  Even cheapo ones will be a massive improvement.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

11 minutes ago, danielprates said:

 

Same here. Being a thing that actually existed (and still does in many planes), I can't see why not have it. It could even use the same key binding used for the rudder trim, except that as soon as your speed rises above zero it sticks to its current position. Seems like a pretty simple thing to implement. 

 

 

 

It would have to be set in the aircraft setup screen as an option.

 

4 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

...Or just get yourself some rudder pedals.  Even cheapo ones will be a massive improvement.

 

Yes and no! Cheap ones will put the stress on to your legs but good ones are very smooth! 

[Jade_Monkey]

Shift +A for autolevel. That's why we have it for all planes, including the ones that didn't historically have it.