Fw190 seating height

[Panthera]

Been wondering why you always start out seated so low in the 190 ?  Is there a "raise seat" button I've missed somewhere?

 

It's a bit of a pain always having to readjust the Track IR everytime I switch to fly the 190.

[purK]

Center & pause TIR, hit Page Up key to your liking, F10 to save head position. Re-enable TIR.

[Panthera]

Roger that, but why do you start in that position to begin with? Doesn't make much sense IMHO.

 

Might as well make the default position the same as in all other aircraft ingame, i.e. inline with the gun sight.

[KaC_Richard_Rogers]

I believe the seating position is correct but what is missing is the light refraction that allowed a pilot to be able to see out and over the nose of the 190.

 

see this video for a better understanding of what we are missing regarding Windscreen Refraction.

 

 

[HD] Focke Wulf Fw190 Armorglass Windscreen Refraction, Lichtbrechung Fw190 Frontscheibe

[THERION]

3 minutes ago, Capt_Teddy_Bear said:

I believe the seating position is correct but what is missing is the light refraction that allowed a pilot to be able to see out and over the nose of the 190.

 

see this video for a better understanding of what we are missing regarding Windscreen Refraction.

 

 

[HD] Focke Wulf Fw190 Armorglass Windscreen Refraction, Lichtbrechung Fw190 Frontscheibe

 

OH! - MY! - GOD! - Not that again, please! That's a real dead one!

[DSR_A-24]

I thought I was the only one.

 

Whenever I fly the Fw-190A8 my head level is so low I can barely see the gunsight. I don't remember this happening with the Fw-190A3. 

 

I agree it gets frustrating to the point where I don't even bother flying the plane.

[Heckpupper]

7 minutes ago, -IRRE-Therion said:

 

OH! - MY! - GOD! - Not that again, please! That's a real dead one!

 

Why? If it still hasn't been changed then it's worth bringing up, right? Sometimes the only way to be acknowledged is to be loud enough for long enough, and if it wasn't for the people bringing stuff up we'd still propably have to deal with artificial engine limitations like in... Oh, wait.

[EpeeNoire]

wow, didnt know they cheated on the FW design THAT heavily!

 

how is this still not changed seeing this video was uploaded four years ago?

[Matt]

Because the hardware requirements and subsequent performance drop for accurately modelling refraction did not change in the last four years either.

[Bremspropeller]

The Bar is open.

Happy Hour starts at 6pm local, Fridays at 4pm...

[EpeeNoire]

26 minutes ago, Matt said:

Because the hardware requirements and subsequent performance drop for accurately modelling refraction did not change in the last four years either.

I see. well, why not just cheat on the "accurate modelling" in favour of the fw then? just make the visible area close to reality by decreasing the frame thickness. should be easy enough

[Luftschiff]

2 hours ago, EpeeNoire said:

I see. well, why not just cheat on the "accurate modelling" in favour of the fw then? just make the visible area close to reality by decreasing the frame thickness. should be easy enough

 

You're new around here aren't you?

 

You are quite right in principle, and in fact they have done that, by increments, several times. At some point it becomes impossible to make it thinner without breaking the mesh. This was/has been a point of contention for years until it was finally fixed into what you see now, it used to be like...twice as thick. Could it be made even thinner? Possibly, but let's not bring this particular horse cadaver out again, it's seen enough abuse.

[CountZero]

5 hours ago, Capt_Teddy_Bear said:

I believe the seating position is correct but what is missing is the light refraction that allowed a pilot to be able to see out and over the nose of the 190.

 

see this video for a better understanding of what we are missing regarding Windscreen Refraction.

 

 

[HD] Focke Wulf Fw190 Armorglass Windscreen Refraction, Lichtbrechung Fw190 Frontscheibe

 

4 hours ago, EpeeNoire said:

wow, didnt know they cheated on the FW design THAT heavily!

 

how is this still not changed seeing this video was uploaded four years ago?

 

exept this was talked about in this topics

and they made fix to 190s that made bars tin and raised gunsight by some cm to acountfor refraction they dont model

 

dd74 where you can see how it looked before fixes, and you can compare it to what you have now in game

 

my only problem is that this was only done to one airplane type insted to all other airplanes that have same problem when refraction cant be modeled by game, like in recent la5fn or P-40 with tick armor glass on high angle like 190 have. But i guess only popular/most complained airplanes get that kined of atention  

Edited December 6, 2018 by 77.CountZero

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

3 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

my only problem is that this was only done to one airplane type insted to all other airplanes that have same problem when refraction cant be modeled by game, like in recent la5fn or P-40 with tick armor glass on high angle like 190 have. But i guess only popular/most complained airplanes get that kined of atention  

 

The IL-2s could also get a bit of refraction love, making the edges of the armored glass panels thinner, they should look like lines rather than the thicker edges we have now.

Well if they implement RTX they could do it it just works after all. Maybe the new RTX Titan will be enough to make 30fps ^^

[EpeeNoire]

3 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

 

 

exept this was talked about in this topics

and they made fix to 190s that made bars tin and raised gunsight by some cm to acountfor refraction they dont model

 

dd74 where you can see how it looked before fixes, and you can compare it to what you have now in game

 

my only problem is that this was only done to one airplane type insted to all other airplanes that have same problem when refraction cant be modeled by game, like in recent la5fn or P-40 with tick armor glass on high angle like 190 have. But i guess only popular/most complained airplanes get that kined of atention  

thank you for that post! very informative (instead of just posting slightly arrogant responses like some others did)

 

and I agree, they should address this refraction issue in maybe the same way as they did with the fw 190

[Bert_Foster]

Ahh a favorite topic .... it cannot die ....An A8/N (Flugwerke) I just happened to sit in

 

https://youtu.be/LJ1Ba6DPl94

 

 

Edited December 6, 2018 by Bert_Foster

[LukeFF]

10 hours ago, 4./JG26_Onebad said:

 

Why? If it still hasn't been changed then it's worth bringing up, right? Sometimes the only way to be acknowledged is to be loud enough for long enough, and if it wasn't for the people bringing stuff up we'd still propably have to deal with artificial engine limitations like in... Oh, wait.

 

Because yelling and screaming isn't going to change anything if the hardware / software capabilities to render it properly are not there. The devs aren't ignorant about people wanting this to change.