So what's next? (talking about BoX)

[MasserME262]

Hey all,

 

With all the hype and emotions P-47 (and in a less amount, the K-4) bring, not many would think about what's next.

But Im just curious about this so I ask, which plane should we wait as the next one? The Dora? The Mustang? I have no idea.

 

Note Im not criticizing the devs schedule, but wondering what's next. Anyone know something about it?

 

F.

[Dutchvdm]

We've seen quite a lot of progress on the Dora and the not Bodenplatte related Po-2/U-2. So i think they might be next. Haven't seen much of the rest (Some pictures of the 262) so after that, it's anyone's guess. 

 

Grt M

[Talon_]

Dora, P-51D, Tempest, P-38, Me262 in that order IMO

[CountZero]

u-2 before years end, rest probably next year, i also think oreder could be like Talon says

[TWC_Ace]

34 minutes ago, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

Hey all,

 

With all the hype and emotions P-47 (and in a less amount, the K-4) bring, not many would think about what's next.

But Im just curious about this so I ask, which plane should we wait as the next one? The Dora? The Mustang? I have no idea.

 

Note Im not criticizing the devs schedule, but wondering what's next. Anyone know something about it?

 

F.

I was hyped about P47 but "fell i love" with K4 hahaha. Although I love P47 too, its just you need to understand how to manage the engine and how to use it.

Next two bodenplatte planes would be (very probably) Dora and P51, followed by Me262 and Tempest. More on more awesomeness to come hehe...

BTW Im also looking forward to bodenplatte map....

Edited November 26, 2018 by blackram

[LeLv76_Erkki]

Tempest and 262 will almost certainly be two last. We have seen D-9 model and cockpits so I'm pretty sure its next if they dont pull major surprise with P-51 or P-38.

[Voidhunger]

And what about the map? With the full release of bobp?

[DD_Arthur]

I think we'll get the U-2 and Dora for christmas and I think we'll get the 262 after that.

 

We've seen pictures of the 262 flying in the game but we've seen absolutely zero about the P51 and the P38 so far.............

[Legioneod]

Hopefully we get the Dora and P-51 in close succession, hopefully within the next few months. I can't wait to paint some skins for the Mustang.

 

The 262 will still probably be the last aircraft done imo along with the Tempest and P-38.

If I had to guess it'd be a list similar to Talons.

 

Maybe they'll even release the P-51 and Dora together.

[Praetor]

The Tempest is the best allied answer to the K4. Hopefully it's the Tempest that comes first, but it's unlikely. 

 

The P51, P47, and P38 are not in the same ballpark as the K4.  

[Legioneod]

Just now, Praetor said:

The Tempest is the best allied answer to the K4. Hopefully it's the Tempest that comes first, but it's unlikely. 

 

The P51, P47, and P38 are not in the same ballpark as the K4.  

Down low sure but not up high, P-51 is a better contender all around imo.

 

P-51, P-47, and P-38 are still some of the fastest fighters especially up high.

 

P-51 will be the best all round fighter on the allied team, the Tempest will be the best low alt fighter imo and the P-47 is the best high altitude fighter, even when the P-51 comes out imo.

 

They may not be in the same ballpark now (really they are very close) if the allies get higher power ratings later in development then the K4 wont be anything special.

 

The P-47 can still handle the K4 but it can only really control the fight when up high above 20-25k ft, below that the K4 is a handful to deal with.

[Praetor]

6 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

Down low sure but not up high, P-51 is a better contender all around imo.

 

P-51, P-47, and P-38 are still some of the fastest fighters especially up high.

 

P-51 will be the best all round fighter on the allied team, the Tempest will be the best low alt fighter imo and the P-47 is the best high altitude fighter, even when the P-51 comes out imo.

 

They may not be in the same ballpark now (really they are very close) if the allies get higher power ratings later in development then the K4 wont be anything special.

 

The P-47 can still handle the K4 but it can only really control the fight when up high above 20-25k ft, below that the K4 is a handful to deal with.

Yes but who has three weeks of free time to get the P47 to altitude?  

[Talon_]

18 minutes ago, Praetor said:

Yes but who has three weeks of free time to get the P47 to altitude?  

 

Did you see this? 

 

 

 

You can climb for 10 minutes at combat power which is just over 2,000ft/min and that gets you to combat altitude in a reasonable time with some horsepower left for fighting. From there if you fly smart you can keep the airframe loaded up with energy forever.

Edited November 26, 2018 by Talon_

[Ehret]

40 minutes ago, Talon_ said:

You can climb for 10 minutes at combat power which is just over 2,000ft/min and that gets you to combat altitude in a reasonable time with some horsepower left for fighting. From there if you fly smart you can keep the airframe loaded up with energy forever.

 

It's even better - on the water injected combat mode you can climb at over 3000ft/m for 10m and still have 5m of emergency for immediate uses. If you go with something like 40% fuel, removed guns, full rpm/open throttle and MP control by the boost level alone then you will go 3500ft/m for the same time. Remember to set mixture to 100% when on the water injection.

 

Typically I use less than 5m of water in such way for initial climb. You need 10-15ft to properly defend yourself and your performance edge starts at around 23k ft.

 

1 hour ago, Legioneod said:

P-51 will be the best all round fighter on the allied team, the Tempest will be the best low alt fighter imo and the P-47 is the best high altitude fighter, even when the P-51 comes out imo.

 

The P-38 Lighting will be interesting one thought could be awkward to use. The Lighting has better climb/acceleration than the P-47 but will be affected by comprehensibility much sooner. However, if you stay at the same (high) altitude and go horizontal avoiding fast vertical maneuvers who knows...

Edited November 26, 2018 by Ehret

[Praetor]

I'll have to experiment with that.  I'm so used to flying the spit that I'm usually hesitant running RPM high.

[MasserME262]

1 hour ago, Talon_ said:

[...]you can keep the airframe loaded up with energy forever.

Oh yeah, I tested just a little the P-47, but boy, that energy retention is deliciously great

[Talon_]

Just now, ME-BFMasserME262 said:

Oh yeah, I tested just a little the P-47, but boy, that energy retention is deliciously great

 

Just don't turn!!

[Jade_Monkey]

Here is my contrarian view:

They had to shift gears and the Me262 is further along than originally planned. The compressibility has already been built, they have to finalize the jet engine tech which i assume they've been working on for a while.

 

They will release U2, then Dora, then Me262.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

5 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Here is my contrarian view:

They had to shift gears and the Me262 is further along than originally planned. The compressibility has already been built, they have to finalize the jet engine tech which i assume they've been working on for a while.

 

They will release U2, then Dora, then Me262.

 

With a PanzerIV and a Sherman somewhere in there too.

[Legioneod]

12 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Here is my contrarian view:

They had to shift gears and the Me262 is further along than originally planned. The compressibility has already been built, they have to finalize the jet engine tech which i assume they've been working on for a while.

 

They will release U2, then Dora, then Me262.

Compressibility is barely modeled. control stiffening and I think flutter is all we have currently, I know it's a wip so I'm sure we'll see additions to it later.

[357th_Dog]

2 hours ago, Praetor said:

Yes but who has three weeks of free time to get the P47 to altitude?  

 
Top LOL sir. 

[Rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, Ehret said:

 

It's even better - on the water injected combat mode you can climb at over 3000ft/m for 10m and still have 5m of emergency for immediate uses. If you go with something like 40% fuel, removed guns, full rpm/open throttle and MP control by the boost level alone then you will go 3500ft/m for the same time. Remember to set mixture to 100% when on the water injection.

 

Typically I use less than 5m of water in such way for initial climb. You need 10-15ft to properly defend yourself and your performance edge starts at around 23k ft.

 

 

The P-38 Lighting will be interesting one thought could be awkward to use. The Lighting has better climb/acceleration than the P-47 but will be affected by comprehensibility much sooner. However, if you stay at the same (high) altitude and go horizontal avoiding fast vertical maneuvers who knows...

The P-38 combines a an even heavier, aerodynamically slick airframe with a decent powerloading and *no net torque*. Meaning it can keep its nose high with the engines balls to the wall without flipping out down to practically no airspeed. Vertical monster. And of course not having to constantly re-adjust roll and use trim makes for a steady gun platform. Combine with nose mounted weapons and I think many a 109 is going to end surprised at being caught and shot when it goes vertical.

[Talon_]

47 minutes ago, CMBailey said:

Meaning it can keep its nose high with the engines balls to the wall without flipping out down to practically no airspeed.

 

It is rather frustrating the way the P-47 likes to drop a wing when it stalls at 25mph

 

[Ehret]

53 minutes ago, CMBailey said:

The P-38 combines a an even heavier, aerodynamically slick airframe with a decent powerloading and *no net torque*. Meaning it can keep its nose high with the engines balls to the wall without flipping out down to practically no airspeed. Vertical monster. And of course not having to constantly re-adjust roll and use trim makes for a steady gun platform. Combine with nose mounted weapons and I think many a 109 is going to end surprised at being caught and shot when it goes vertical.

 

Vertical up and slowing when I meant vertical down and accelerating fast. For the former the P-38 will be great, sure. For the latter I don't know... there the P-47 should stay better. I have some doubts if we will get the dive recovery flaps and that's unfortunate.

[DD_fruitbat]

Dora will be next, tempest is a long way off, they haven't even got the photos they need yet of the cockpit. Great news that Jason's got access to it now though.

[EAF19_Marsh]

From pics to release I reckon 3 months minimum. Possibly more.

[DD_fruitbat]

4 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

From pics to release I reckon 3 months minimum. Possibly more.

More I suspect.

 

Good effort on your part, love the tempest, thanks!

[AndyJWest]

My only solid guess as for what's next is 'not the Tempest', since we know that they are still researching it. The P-51 and Dora would seem the simplest, but it doesn't always make sense to do the 'easy' things first. The Me 262 is clearly the wildcard, and may well have been given priority so it doesn't hold up final release if the jet engine modelling etc takes longer than expected. We know the external modelling is well on its way at least, so I'd say there is an outside chance of seeing it early in the new year if all goes well. But what do I know? Whatever they give us, I'm sure I'll enjoy it...

[Rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, Ehret said:

 

Vertical up and slowing when I meant vertical down and accelerating fast. For the former the P-38 will be great, sure. For the latter I don't know... there the P-47 should stay better. I have some doubts if we will get the dive recovery flaps and that's unfortunate.

In a game where we have the hottest 109 that saw any service I’m assuming we will see the best tech America and Britain threw out there eventually (150 octane etc), including with the 38. 

[EAF19_Marsh]

Dora Christmas present, but probably Jan.

[Rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, Talon_ said:

 

It is rather frustrating the way the P-47 likes to drop a wing when it stalls at 25mph

 

Yeah, airplanes are WAY more controllable at low speed/high torque in this game than some other entrants in the genre. That being the case though the 38 ought to practically be a helicopter.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

Not one mentioned the B-25.

My guess is that it will be the last plane made since it's only Ai, for now. 

[Thad]

4 hours ago, Talon_ said:

 

Just don't turn!!

 

Turn? What's that? ?

[E69_geramos109]

On 11/26/2018 at 7:08 PM, Talon_ said:

 

It is rather frustrating the way the P-47 likes to drop a wing when it stalls at 25mph

 

We still have a lot of weird stuff on Fms. 

I can imagine the ruski formum:

-P47 can pull the nose up on 25mph Blyat, Yak1 less torque blyat, more lighter stronk klimov blyat, lets make it to drop wing with 5 mph to send everyone to suka gulag blyat.

XD

Edited November 28, 2018 by E69_geramos109

[II./JG77_Manu*]

On ‎11‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 9:14 PM, 6./ZG26_Loke said:

Not one mentioned the B-25.

My guess is that it will be the last plane made since it's only Ai, for now. 

 

Is it confirmed that we get it? Shame that we don't have a single flyable bomber in BoBp

[Mysticpuma]

I think a B-24 or B-17 would be very welcome and even at $20 it would be snapped up. 

 

Would love to see bomber streams in BoX

[Voidhunger]

3 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

I think a B-24 or B-17 would be very welcome and even at $20 it would be snapped up. 

 

Would love to see bomber streams in BoX

Yeah , its sad when the bobp is released we will be fighting at low alt again. B25 is medium alt bomber so it will be the same as kuban. And in qmb only P47 AI try to stay at high alt. Its no fun

[sevenless]

3 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

Yeah , its sad when the bobp is released we will be fighting at low alt again. B25 is medium alt bomber so it will be the same as kuban. And in qmb only P47 AI try to stay at high alt. Its no fun

 

If you want to fight bomber streams, the only option is IL 1946. We won´t see 4-engine bombers in BoX. The game simply isn´t designed for that.

 

 

[II./JG77_Manu*]

3 minutes ago, Voidhunger said:

Yeah , its sad when the bobp is released we will be fighting at low alt again. B25 is medium alt bomber so it will be the same as kuban. And in qmb only P47 AI try to stay at high alt. Its no fun

 

That's why I didn't buy BoBp so far...in terms of aircraft, scenario and playset it's kinda too restricted. I get why the Devs try to keep it to tactical warfare, but I don't like it in this particular scenario. 
 

Just now, sevenless said:

If you want to fight bomber streams, the only option is IL 1946. We won´t see 4-engine bombers in BoX. The game simply isn´t designed for that.

 

It would be possible. It has to be. Just model them with vastly simplified physics and reasoning, quite contrary to the current aircraft. I mean, IL2 1946 can handle 100 full fidelity 4-engine bombers at once. It would be a big shame to miss out on that particular (very important) part of WW2 aerial combat. Most of the US fighters will kinda be pointless without those high flying bomber streams. 

[Legioneod]

1 minute ago, II./JG77_Manu* said:

 

That's why I didn't buy BoBp so far...in terms of aircraft, scenario and playset it's kinda too restricted. I get why the Devs try to keep it to tactical warfare, but I don't like it in this particular scenario. 
 

 

It would be possible. It has to be. Just model them with vastly simplified physics and reasoning, quite contrary to the current aircraft. I mean, IL2 1946 can handle 100 full fidelity 4-engine bombers at once. It would be a big shame to miss out on that particular (very important) part of WW2 aerial combat. Most of the US fighters will kinda be pointless without those high flying bomber streams. 

Agreed, some compromise is needed if we are ever going to see heavies in this game. I'm willing to compromise and get a simplified flight model just to have heavies, but are the devs?