For The Love of 110

[[CPT]milopugdog]

Howdy, pilots!

 

I like the Bf-110 just as much as the other guy, so when it comes to flying the blues, I like to fly it in the usual fighter/bomber configuration. Due to this, I wanted to bring the possibility for the Bf-110 G-2 to carry wing mounted BR 21 rockets and have Mk 108 cannons. These modifications were used in 1944/5 for use against Allied formations and ground units.

These modifications are not currently in game because Kuban taking place before these were in service. I am aware that the devs have a very tight schedule with everything that is being released, but since BoBP is taking place during their service date and possibly where they were used, and these weapons are already in game, would it be possible to see any of these in game before BoBP is released, or at all?

 

BR 21 rockets and Mk-108s would be used with a mixture of modifications already available for the G-2 such as:

Mk 108s and BR21s:

 

20mm cannon pods:

 

37mm cannons:

20mm cannons, Mk 108s, and BR 21s:

 

I'd like to thank y'all for reading, it'll be very appreciated if any content could be contributed to this topic! A lot of sources online are very vague when it comes to modification names, and none mention specific dates or areas. All of the books I own about the Bf-110 or Luftwaffe planes skim over the entire G-2 variant as well, instead choosing to focus on the G-4.

[Legioneod]

Good idea if the devs have time. Personally I think they should update a few other German aircraft as well to fit in with the bodenplatte timeframe (give or take a few months)

 

109G6, 190A5, etc would all be cool to have as upgraded options if they were used that late in the war.

[LukeFF]

It would be nice, yes, but the daytime Bf 110 force had been driven from the skies by the time of Bodenplatte. Something like this would be best-suited for an earlier-1944 timeframe.

 

12 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

109G6, 190A5, etc would all be cool to have as upgraded options if they were used that late in the war.

 

G-6 yes, A-5, no.

Edited November 26, 2018 by LukeFF

[Legioneod]

5 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

It would be nice, yes, but the daytime Bf 110 force had been driven from the skies by the time of Bodenplatte. Something like this would be best-suited for an earlier-1944 timeframe.

 

 

G-6 yes, A-5, no.

Yeah, I wasnt sure if the A5 was used or not but I know the G6 was.

 

As for the 110 it's be good for what if scenarios and representing earlier fighting in June, July , August 44 if they were even operating in daylight during that timeframe.

Really Bodenplatte isn't very far off from that either with a start date of September 44, then again, alot can happen in two months during wartime.

Edited November 26, 2018 by Legioneod

[CrazyDuck]

Considering that both the MK 108 and the WGr.21 are already modelled and integrated in the sim, I assume the amount of work needed to implement them on the 110 is substantially lower compared to designing them from scratch. I might be wrong tho. So this idea surely gets my thums up, especially since bomber destroying is my second favourite activity in the sim (after tank busting :)).

 

The only counter argument I can see is the lack of the most suitable targets for these, the western viermots. But then again, we are getting the 262 too...

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

As an avid 110 flyer I definitely approve of more mods and/or variants (F perhaps? ). I'm still holding on to hope that one day we will see a 410.

[JaffaCake]

I don't know how some people do it, but I saw 110g2 turn like a yak... and now you want to give it 30mm cannons too?  

[=27=Davesteu]

As the weapon systems themselves are already developed, I wouldn't mind their addition to the Bf 110, but I don't need them. They would be nice for quick missions and multiplayer, but of no use to the campaigns.
But then: Rather something actually used elsewhere than purely academical loadouts such as the K-4's SC 500.
 

On 11/26/2018 at 10:19 AM, LukeFF said:

On 11/26/2018 at 10:07 AM, Legioneod said:

 

109G6, 190A5, etc would all be cool to have as upgraded options if they were used that late in the war.

G-6 yes, A-5, no.

No A-5, but NSGr. 20 used a substantial number of G-3(/R5).

Edited November 28, 2018 by =27=Davesteu

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

16 minutes ago, JaffaCake said:

I don't know how some people do it, but I saw 110g2 turn like a yak... and now you want to give it 30mm cannons too?  

 

I've even seen some people call the 110 defenseless.

[[CPT]milopugdog]

2 hours ago, CrazyDuck said:

Considering that both the MK 108 and the WGr.21 are already modelled and integrated in the sim, I assume the amount of work needed to implement them on the 110 is substantially lower compared to designing them from scratch. I might be wrong tho. So this idea surely gets my thums up, especially since bomber destroying is my second favourite activity in the sim (after tank busting :)).

 

The only counter argument I can see is the lack of the most suitable targets for these, the western viermots. But then again, we are getting the 262 too...

Yes while they are modeled in the sim, the Mk 108s require some remodeling of the nose. (I know people hate it but I'm going to use an example from that game because I can't find any good pictures)

 

Other than that I would imagine most of the work would go into drag numbers, and probably load out options. Although, it never can be quite that easy.

[JaffaCake]

5 minutes ago, =AWACS=CG_Justin said:

 

I've even seen some people call the 110 defenseless.

 

Apparently not when it is pointing the front-mounted guns at you. However the rear gunner might as well just not exist if you compare it to Pe2 

 

Can we instead get like rear-mounted mk108? 

Edited November 26, 2018 by JaffaCake

[grant1983]

great plane, great night fighter

[Kurfurst]

On 11/26/2018 at 10:07 AM, Legioneod said:

109G6, 190A5, etc would all be cool to have as upgraded options if they were used that late in the war.

 

Late War G6 = G14. 

 

Although I miss the WGr 21 rockets from the G-6, if anything they are more historically for the G-6 than the G-14, as the big rockets popularity fell by mid 1944.

[=621=Samikatz]

On 11/26/2018 at 1:15 PM, CrazyDuck said:

But then again, we are getting the 262 too...

 

The 262s in the theater we're getting were predominantly used as fast bombers (honestly a job they were probably better suited for at the time)

[Dutchvdm]

Honestly.. I would rather see the Bf-110 F2 as collector plane for BOX. The G2 we have is already a weird pick for Kuban, because it wasn't really there in significant numbers. The G2 was used in Italy in 43 as a Heavy fighter and as a bomber destroyer after that. Without heavy bombers all those addition's are rather pointless imho. The F2 on the other hand was used a lot during the battle of Stalingrad and should be the nicest 110. 

 

Grt M 

[[CPT]milopugdog]

1 hour ago, I./ZG1_Martijnvdm said:

Honestly.. I would rather see the Bf-110 F2 as collector plane for BOX. The G2 we have is already a weird pick for Kuban, because it wasn't really there in significant numbers. The G2 was used in Italy in 43 as a Heavy fighter and as a bomber destroyer after that. Without heavy bombers all those addition's are rather pointless imho. The F2 on the other hand was used a lot during the battle of Stalingrad and should be the nicest 110. 

 

Grt M 

I would be fine with either at this point.

The F-2 would fill the awkward performance gap between the E-2 and G-2 we have, but I would also like it so that the the G-2 could have some extra armament since we could use it in BoBP. I just thought I'd throw this out there because while people have talked about the F-2, nobody has mentioned any of these mods.

[[TWB]Sauerkraut-]

+1

I'm always for more options on aircraft.

I really love ground attacking on blue much more than on reds, you have a larger variety of aircraft capable of the role and they can usually carry more ordinance. This would only expand upon that.

[ShamrockOneFive]

On 11/26/2018 at 1:40 AM, [CPT]milopugdog said:

Howdy, pilots!

 

I like the Bf-110 just as much as the other guy, so when it comes to flying the blues, I like to fly it in the usual fighter/bomber configuration. Due to this, I wanted to bring the possibility for the Bf-110 G-2 to carry wing mounted BR 21 rockets and have Mk 108 cannons. These modifications were used in 1944/5 for use against Allied formations and ground units.

These modifications are not currently in game because Kuban taking place before these were in service. I am aware that the devs have a very tight schedule with everything that is being released, but since BoBP is taking place during their service date and possibly where they were used, and these weapons are already in game, would it be possible to see any of these in game before BoBP is released, or at all?

 

BR 21 rockets and Mk-108s would be used with a mixture of modifications already available for the G-2 such as:

Mk 108s and BR21s:

 

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20mm cannon pods:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

37mm cannons:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

20mm cannons, Mk 108s, and BR 21s:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

I'd like to thank y'all for reading, it'll be very appreciated if any content could be contributed to this topic! A lot of sources online are very vague when it comes to modification names, and none mention specific dates or areas. All of the books I own about the Bf-110 or Luftwaffe planes skim over the entire G-2 variant as well, instead choosing to focus on the G-4.

 

Seems like a good idea to me. The G-2 already has a good number of modifications including the 20mm and 37mm gun pods but not the MK108 or the BR.21 rockets. I wouldn't mind it getting the rest if there's an opportunity.