Bodenplatte map question

[MiloMorai]

Have the boundaries of the Bodenplatte been established yet.

[LukeFF]

Yes, months ago:

 

[MiloMorai]

Thank you Luke. I had looked but could find it.

[EAF19_Marsh]

Any higher resolutions / updates available?

[CountZero]

nice big map with all the room we need to play, hope we see it sone in game 

[EAF19_Marsh]

2 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

nice big map with all the room we need to play, hope we see it sone in game 

 

It looks epic. Am hoping an early winter version release in last week of December so people can take-off at dawn 1st January for strafing / intercept mission around the Allied air fields.

 

But a pic of the in-game strategic map would also be great

[Haza]

I was going to ask about drop-tanks for the return trip, however, most of my trips are one way, so I'm happy to donate my drop-tanks!

[Legioneod]

5 minutes ago, Haza said:

I was going to ask about drop-tanks for the return trip, however, most of my trips are one way, so I'm happy to donate my drop-tanks!

I was thinking the same thing a few days ago. The Jug is a bit of a gas guzzler and I was really wanting a drop tank when I was flying it.

[EAF19_Marsh]

11 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

I was thinking the same thing a few days ago. The Jug is a bit of a gas guzzler and I was really wanting a drop tank when I was flying it.

 

The BoBp map is around 200 miles along both axes which sounds like it will stretch most of the fighters if they have to fly any time in an uneconomical deportment.

[CountZero]

from dd193:

"This map is bigger than we initially planned (flyable area is 401 x 324 km - it is 129.900 sq.km) and several compromises will have to be made to make it a reality. It will stretch us to the limit of what is possible in our development schedule, but as with our other maps it will be really cool when it’s done. "

 

its biggest they made so far but i dont see need for droptanks

 

[MasterShake]

Just now, 77.CountZero said:

from dd193:

"This map is bigger than we initially planned (flyable area is 401 x 324 km - it is 129.900 sq.km) and several compromises will have to be made to make it a reality. It will stretch us to the limit of what is possible in our development schedule, but as with our other maps it will be really cool when it’s done. "

 

its biggest they made so far but i dont see need for droptanks

 

 

Are drop tanks not modeled, because the fuel system is not modeled very in depth? I went to switch fuel tanks today in the P-47, but couldn't find a button to do so. It was odd watching my auxiliary tank drain first, instead of my main tank lol. 

[CountZero]

could be , dont know

[EAF19_Marsh]

11 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

its biggest they made so far but i dont see need for droptanks

 

That's 800km East-West or 860km on the diagonal. A round trip plus combat, faffing, getting lost, cigarette break etc sounds like tank-range for most fighters.

Edited November 22, 2018 by EAF19_Marsh

[Legioneod]

1 minute ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

That's 800km East-West or 860km on the diagonal. A round trip plus combat, faffing, getting lost, cigarette break etc sounds like tank-range for most fighters.

Agreed, besides that it'd just be nice to have them. More importantly though is the fuel management that needs to be implemented before drop tanks arrive. I need to be able to select tanks myself.

[CountZero]

maybe for spitfire is problem, but p-47 on 10% fuel on combat settings do 11min, and you will not fly it combat all time, it teaches players to manage fuel better then having drop tank

[Finkeren]

I wonder if it will be possible to fly over Amsterdam, or if it's gonna be the same as Moscow. 

[EAF19_Marsh]

3 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

maybe for spitfire is problem, but p-47 on 10% fuel on combat settings do 11min, and you will not fly it combat all time, it teaches players to manage fuel better then having drop tank

 

Vaguely remember a P-51 combat radius was c. 600miles (ie 1,200 there and back). Fuel management on the new map will be critical.

 

4 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

I wonder if it will be possible to fly over Amsterdam, or if it's gonna be the same as Moscow.  

 

Maybe not in first release but subsequent added? Sounds like quite a bit of work.

[Aap]

31 minutes ago, SVTONY said:

I went to switch fuel tanks today in the P-47, but couldn't find a button to do so. It was odd watching my auxiliary tank drain first, instead of my main tank lol. 

 

I think this is according to operating instructions.

During warm up and takeoff, main tank is used. Once airborne, auxiliary tank is selected and used until there is 10 - 15 gallon reserve left. Then main tank is selected.

[LeLv76_Erkki]

I already need drop tank for Stalingrad and Kuban...

[sevenless]

32 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

I wonder if it will be possible to fly over Amsterdam, or if it's gonna be the same as Moscow. 

 

Same for Frankfurt/Main, Köln, Essen, Düsseldorf, Duisburg, Dortmund, Osnabrück, Brusseles, etc.

 

Lots of large cities on this map. I guess they have a few tricks up their sleeves.

[CanadaOne]

41 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

I wonder if it will be possible to fly over Amsterdam, or if it's gonna be the same as Moscow. 

 

 

If you can't make it to Amsterdam, just come to Canada.

[Dutchvdm]

50 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

I wonder if it will be possible to fly over Amsterdam, or if it's gonna be the same as Moscow. 

 

Moscow had in 1940 5 times the population of Amsterdam in the 50's. I think it will be fine. 

 

Grt M

[EAF19_Marsh]

Would love to see some updates on this. Am using the winter VL map as stand-in

[Finkeren]

41 minutes ago, I./ZG1_Martijnvdm said:

 

Moscow had in 1940 5 times the population of Amsterdam in the 50's. I think it will be fine. 

 

Grt M

 

Sure enough. Moscow was one of the biggest cities at the time, especially if you count the Garden Ring.

[TP_Silk]

Historically many of the Luftwaffe machines on the day of Bodenplatte had to have drop tanks in order to make it to their targets via the routes selected, do their job then get back to Germany and even then it was tight for many of them. many of the routes to target went out to the northern Dutch coast and then down rather than heading directly in. Drop tanks will be pretty much a necessity for anyone wishing to conduct a historically accurate strike based on the events of 1 January 1945.

[EAF19_Marsh]

15 minutes ago, TP_Silk said:

Historically many of the Luftwaffe machines on the day of Bodenplatte had to have drop tanks in order to make it to their targets via the routes selected, do their job then get back to Germany and even then it was tight for many of them. many of the routes to target went out to the northern Dutch coast and then down rather than heading directly in. Drop tanks will be pretty much a necessity for anyone wishing to conduct a historically accurate strike based on the events of 1 January 1945.

 

It looks a lot like Moked when you compare those routes.

[LukeFF]

10 hours ago, Finkeren said:

I wonder if it will be possible to fly over Amsterdam, or if it's gonna be the same as Moscow. 

 

Of course you will. Look at where Amsterdam is in relation to the airfields.

[TP_Silk]

8 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

It looks a lot like Moked when you compare those routes.

 

Sorry, I have no idea what you mean by that.

[5./JG11_Rain]

9 hours ago, TP_Silk said:

Historically many of the Luftwaffe machines on the day of Bodenplatte had to have drop tanks in order to make it to their targets via the routes selected, do their job then get back to Germany and even then it was tight for many of them. many of the routes to target went out to the northern Dutch coast and then down rather than heading directly in. Drop tanks will be pretty much a necessity for anyone wishing to conduct a historically accurate strike based on the events of 1 January 1945.

I bought the game couple of days ago, and just today preordered BOBP and bought Bf-109 G6. I was REALLY suprised we got no droptanks and ream & refuel option, was really expecting that from Il-2 Sturmovik title. Is there any word that these two are coming in the future?

[Field-Ops]

I know fuel management modeling and drop tanks have been discussed in the past by Devs

[danielprates]

27 minutes ago, 5./JG11_Rain said:

I bought the game couple of days ago, and just today preordered BOBP and bought Bf-109 G6. I was REALLY suprised we got no droptanks and ream & refuel option, was really expecting that from Il-2 Sturmovik title. Is there any word that these two are coming in the future?

 

I think that considering the size of the map,  drop tanks will probably not be necessary. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

37 minutes ago, 5./JG11_Rain said:

I bought the game couple of days ago, and just today preordered BOBP and bought Bf-109 G6. I was REALLY suprised we got no droptanks and ream & refuel option, was really expecting that from Il-2 Sturmovik title. Is there any word that these two are coming in the future?

 

Re-arm and refuel is a constant debate in the community. I suggest doing a search and seeing the arguments back and forth for a recap (before it starts again)

 

As for the fuel tanks, its on their list of things they want to do. My memory of what has been said by the devs is that they want to do drop tanks but they want to do them with fuel management. So it'll be a big job to get the fuel management in and then the drop tanks will come with that. I'm pretty confident that these guys will deliver. It will take some time but they will deliver.

[MiloMorai]

German drop tanks fed the main tank iirc, so no management required.

[EAF19_Marsh]

Could we start with an aesthetic stand-in? Zero mass and drag but looks proper and can be dropped when appropriate ?

 

8 hours ago, TP_Silk said:

orry, I have no idea what you mean by that.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Focus

 

Based on Bodenplatte but a lot more successful. The routes out West to the sea then South to the targets even resemble each other.

[TP_Silk]

2 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Focus

 

Based on Bodenplatte but a lot more successful. The routes out West to the sea then South to the targets even resemble each other.

 

Thank you for clarification. Yes, sounds like very much the same idea.

[Legioneod]

6 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

German drop tanks fed the main tank iirc, so no management required.

German aircraft wouldn't be the only ones with drop tanks though. Fuel management needs to be added regardless of drop tanks.

[MiloMorai]

38 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

German aircraft wouldn't be the only ones with drop tanks though. Fuel management needs to be added regardless of drop tanks.

 Afaik only required for Allied a/c. 

[Matt]

We already have planes with multiple tanks right now and tanks gets switched automatically when they are empty. That's basically identical to the way drop tanks should and would be handled.

 

It would be nice to have, but it's not a prerequisite for adding drop tanks.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

On 11/22/2018 at 7:34 PM, 77.CountZero said:

maybe for spitfire is problem, but p-47 on 10% fuel on combat settings do 11min, and you will not fly it combat all time, it teaches players to manage fuel better then having drop tank

 

Exactly, instead of flying at combat power to and from the front lines people should learn to conserve the fuel they take.

 

[Legioneod]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

We already have planes with multiple tanks right now and tanks gets switched automatically when they are empty. That's basically identical to the way drop tanks should and would be handled.

 

It would be nice to have, but it's not a prerequisite for adding drop tanks.

True but many want manual fuel management, myself as well. It would add another thing to add to the immersion and I can actually choose what tank I pull from unlike what we have now.

I can't stand automatic fuel management.

1 minute ago, =EXPEND=Tripwire said:

 

Exactly, instead of flying at combat power to and from the front lines people should learn to conserve the fuel they take.

 

Considering the P-47 only has 15 min of combat power I doubt people are flying to the front lines with it.