Tips flying P-47

[CountZero]

i remenbered seing video of it in one game, i located it, i dont know if that flaps problem is only on early models or not:

 

 

Edited January 18, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[BornToBattle]

Revived the OP’s posting....

 

I’ve looked and looked, obviously not everywhere perhaps! 

 

But on this Jug (which is a dream to land) where the #$@&! is the landing gear indication that the gear is down and locked? I mean other than a “thunk” I don’t see any indicator lights or such. Hmm...

[CountZero]

6 hours ago, BornToBattle said:

Revived the OP’s posting....

 

I’ve looked and looked, obviously not everywhere perhaps! 

 

But on this Jug (which is a dream to land) where the #$@&! is the landing gear indication that the gear is down and locked? I mean other than a “thunk” I don’t see any indicator lights or such. Hmm...

there is none

[Requiem]

10 hours ago, BornToBattle said:

Revived the OP’s posting....

 

I’ve looked and looked, obviously not everywhere perhaps! 

 

But on this Jug (which is a dream to land) where the #$@&! is the landing gear indication that the gear is down and locked? I mean other than a “thunk” I don’t see any indicator lights or such. Hmm...

There is a landing gear warning light next to the gunsight on the left. It lights up either when you're at a high throttle setting with gear down and a low throttle setting with the gear up.

[CountZero]

but it will not inform player that gear is locked in place, basicly you cant know from cockpit if your landing gear is broken and didnt come in place, like you can on some airplanes with lights and other indicators, i see that light turns on imidiatly when gear is starting to go down.

[ZachariasX]

21 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

but it will not inform player that gear is locked in place,

That is not how it works, neither on the P-40 or on the P-47. The way you control the gear via "g" key toggle masks how the gear actually work.

 

AFAIR it works the following:

 

It works the following: The gear is locked in place by a closed/locked hydraulic circuit. This is done by having the lever in the center. If you move the lever down, the system is opened such that the hydraulic pump will lower the gear. Once the gear is full down (and you can see that with the lights coming on in the P-47 or the positional indicator in the P-40), the gear is held in place by the whole oil circuit. You "may" mabe land like that, but a drop in oil pressure can make the gear collapse. To make sure this doesn't happen, you set the lever to neutral, then locking the oil cricuit at the hinge. Any oil pressure drop in the system beyond around the actuator on the hinge wil not affect the gear position.

 

Same goes for raising the gear. You move the lever to "up" position, and hydraulic pressure will bring gears up and once they are all up you get the cue by the lights or positional indicator. Should you leave the lever in "up", the gear will stay up, but it is up to the oil pressure in the whole system to keep it up. A hole in there will make it fall back down. Setting the lever to "neutral" locks the pil circuit around the hinge and gears will stay up regardless of the oil pressure in your system.

 

The P-40 has a great way of showing that functionality, as it has a manual oil pump besides the button you have to press for using the pump. If you set the gear lever to "up" for raising gear, you press the button  or hand pum until it's up if you use the handpump, you will notive that you cannot move the pump lever anymore once it gear have reached either full down or full up. Then you put the gera selector in "neutral" and you know for sure your gear is all the way where it should be.

[CountZero]

26 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

That is not how it works, neither on the P-40 or on the P-47. The way you control the gear via "g" key toggle masks how the gear actually work.

 

AFAIR it works the following:

 

It works the following: The gear is locked in place by a closed/locked hydraulic circuit. This is done by having the lever in the center. If you move the lever down, the system is opened such that the hydraulic pump will lower the gear. Once the gear is full down (and you can see that with the lights coming on in the P-47 or the positional indicator in the P-40), the gear is held in place by the whole oil circuit. You "may" mabe land like that, but a drop in oil pressure can make the gear collapse. To make sure this doesn't happen, you set the lever to neutral, then locking the oil cricuit at the hinge. Any oil pressure drop in the system beyond around the actuator on the hinge wil not affect the gear position.

 

Same goes for raising the gear. You move the lever to "up" position, and hydraulic pressure will bring gears up and once they are all up you get the cue by the lights or positional indicator. Should you leave the lever in "up", the gear will stay up, but it is up to the oil pressure in the whole system to keep it up. A hole in there will make it fall back down. Setting the lever to "neutral" locks the pil circuit around the hinge and gears will stay up regardless of the oil pressure in your system.

 

The P-40 has a great way of showing that functionality, as it has a manual oil pump besides the button you have to press for using the pump. If you set the gear lever to "up" for raising gear, you press the button  or hand pum until it's up if you use the handpump, you will notive that you cannot move the pump lever anymore once it gear have reached either full down or full up. Then you put the gera selector in "neutral" and you know for sure your gear is all the way where it should be.

in P-40 i can clearly see if one of my landing gear is broken or not locked just by looking at landing gear gauge in left side of cockpit, in P-47 i have no way of knowing if my landing gear is down and lock in place, or its broken and im missing one of them, as there is no separat lights (example on lagg3) or indicators on gauge like in p-40, or even stick indicators on wing like for example on yak. If you lost gear on P-47, you have nothing in cockpit that can tell you you lost it and when you lover that landing gear that its realy not lovered both of them. Light in P-47 starts when you started lovering gear and not when is ok and locked, and thats important to know before landing, is all of your gear ok and locked.

Edited February 26, 2019 by 77.CountZero

[ZachariasX]

16 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

i have no way of knowing if my landing gear is down and lock in place, or its broken and im missing one of them

 

E.g. to raise landing gear: after take off, apply brakes for stopping wheel spin, then move lever "up". The gear warning light will appear and it will stay lit until the gears are all the way up and locked. Check oil system pressure. This is only the gear, wheel brakes have a separate dedicated system with no pressure gauge. To control motion of the gears, you can infer that on the pressure gauge itself. Normally it shows 1000 psi. If you set the gear in motion downwards to around 100 to 200 psi. Gauges are there for a purpose. Then you set the lever to "neutral". If the gear warning light does not go of, there might be a problem and you will have to ask the tower to check out your underside while doing a flyby. Before getting to too much attention, you will pull back your throttle and and move it forward again, just to check whether that darn switch failed (again!).

 

To lower gear is the same. Lever to "down" see gear warning light come on until the gears are down and locked. Oil system pressure drops to 100 to 200 until back at 1000, then set lever to neutral again (locking gears). Gear warning should also come on until the lever is back in neutral after lowering gears.

 

If you don't trust that dial or someone shot out that dial on you, there is a hand pump lever right to the left of your seat. (To the right in the P-40). Move that lever. If the gears reached their maximum travel that lever becomes stuck, same as in the P-40. If that happens you again are assured that the gears are probably up or down respectively.

 

 

[CountZero]

Thats all good points like you previous post, and it will help in real airplane. But in game in P-47 from cockpit i dont know how can i see that my left or right landing gear is missing, when i already press key for lovering it, and i see light, but it dosent give me feadback like on other airplanes it would by light on left or right gear not turning on, or stick not geting up or down and so on. I dont see how player in game can know that all is ok with his lovered gear just from cockpit view.

[ZachariasX]

1 hour ago, 77.CountZero said:

Thats all good points like you previous post, and it will help in real airplane. But in game in P-47 from cockpit i dont know how can i see that my left or right landing gear is missing, when i already press key for lovering it, and i see light, but it dosent give me feadback like on other airplanes it would by light on left or right gear not turning on, or stick not geting up or down and so on. I dont see how player in game can know that all is ok with his lovered gear just from cockpit view.

Outside view. Or just let yourself surprise. TS.

 

Edit: The gear warning lights should really only go on/off if BOTH gears are in place.

Edited February 26, 2019 by ZachariasX

[Poochnboo]

This guy in the video is good. I'm really bad in the P-47. I'm trying, but just not getting better. I even attempted that flap usage, but must have been going too fast. I damaged the flap rods and they jammed in the 16% down position. Also can't seem to get the speed up. At 10,000 feet I can't catch the 190 I put myself up against. I'm making sure the airplane is clean, but I can't close the distance until he begins his turn to come back at me. 

If I'm no good in the Thunderbolt, I'm REALLY gonna suck in the Lightning. 

[Ehret]

Just now, Poochnboo said:

If I'm no good in the Thunderbolt, I'm REALLY gonna suck in the Lightning. 

 

The Lighting is similar (heavy frame) but very different at the same time (low red-line) so different tactics apply. You will have acceleration to save you and nose guns, forward visibility, counter-rotating props will help with gunnery. Hopefully, the boosted ailerons would be available as a mod thus the P-38 could be very maneuverable.

[Bert_Foster]

On 11/26/2018 at 12:35 AM, Ehret said:

Worth seeing:

 

You can lose up to the 300hp in the P-47 if you mismanage the throttle quadrant.

Tested the IAS achieved at 52"/2700RPM at 15K as suggested in the above video to see if the power loss associated with Linked Boost and throttles is in the Sim.

 

I did the test twice once with manual boost,  pushing it up to achieve 50" (all I could get) and achieved 265Mph IAS. Then repeated the test with Linked Boost and Throttle got exactly the same 265Mph IAS. RPM set to 2700 . So in the Sim at least it would seem there is no HP penalty associated with linking Boost and throttle

Edited April 16, 2019 by Bert_Foster

[Legioneod]

On 2/26/2019 at 1:34 PM, Poochnboo said:

This guy in the video is good. I'm really bad in the P-47. I'm trying, but just not getting better. I even attempted that flap usage, but must have been going too fast. I damaged the flap rods and they jammed in the 16% down position. Also can't seem to get the speed up. At 10,000 feet I can't catch the 190 I put myself up against. I'm making sure the airplane is clean, but I can't close the distance until he begins his turn to come back at me. 

If I'm no good in the Thunderbolt, I'm REALLY gonna suck in the Lightning. 

 

I'm still doing some testing on this but I have a feeling that the P-47 loaded speed is incorrect but this still needs testing. 

Also I'm sure you;ll do fine in the lighting, it's much more maneuverable than the P-47 and can turn very tight, it also has a pretty low stall speed o you'll be able to hang on the 109s 6 for much longer.

 

18 hours ago, Bert_Foster said:

Tested the IAS achieved at 52"/2700RPM at 15K as suggested in the above video to see if the power loss associated with Linked Boost and throttles is in the Sim.

 

I did the test twice once with manual boost,  pushing it up to achieve 50" (all I could get) and achieved 265Mph IAS. Then repeated the test with Linked Boost and Throttle got exactly the same 265Mph IAS. RPM set to 2700 . So in the Sim at least it would seem there is no HP penalty associated with linking Boost and throttle

 

Turbo modeling in the sim is very simplistic in its implementation, damage due to user error and power loss is pretty much not modeled.