Any chance of see out beloved RAF planes in some fashion?

[MadTommy]

As the title says... any chance of seeing our beloved Spits etc make an appearance under this new team.

 

I know they don't fit into a Stalingrad scenario, but surely there must be a draw to having them incorporated some how.  I'd buy them to use them in a fictitious scenario!  There's dollars in it

 

Pretty please!

[Jason_Williams]

Sorry Tommy this is not possible without massive work that will take away from our main task. If all works well over time we will build many new types of planes in many new theaters.

 

Jason

[MadTommy]

Thanks for the clear answer.

 

I look forward to the future.

[Freycinet]

Well, there were Hurricanes in action on the Eastern Front until august 1942, so if they incorporate the early days leading up to Stalingrad then they should be in, possibly:

 

http://www.russia-channel.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20661 "Hurricanes over Stalingrad"

 

Posted by "limey_defence":

 

"In early June 1942 a whole fighter division equipped entirely with Hurricanes, 235 IAD became part of 8 VA (8th Air Army). The unit was commanded by Lt. Col. I. D. Podgomiy. It comprised 46, 191, and 436 IAP. On 25 June it was joined by 180 IAP equipped with 20 Hurricanes. All those regiments, apart from 191 IAP, have been trained at Ivanovo. In order to facilitate rapid conversion to the British equipment, 3 British pilots and 16 fitters were present at Ivanovo. When moving to the front line, the division was largely equipped with aircraft fitted with the Soviet armament, or Mk IIC aircraft. It entered combat north of Kharkov. During the first five days of fighting the entire unit claimed 29 aircraft shot down. The largest number of victories was claimed by 436 IAP (20 kills). it was commanded by Major A. B. Panov. Apart from air combats and air defence, the regiments were also tasked with ground attack duties. During these missions Hurricane caused substantial losses among the enemy, as well as sustaining severe losses themselves. On 16 July 12 Hurricanes of 191 IAP destroyed a motorised column on the road Velikiy Burluk?Noviy Oskol. In heavy fighting, with constantly changing unprepared landing grounds, the Hurricanes started to wear out rapidly. For example 436 IAP changed airfields no less than 12 times within 2 months. On 22 July 1942 two surviving Hurricanes of 191 IAP were handed over to a neighbouring unit. Two days later also 46 and 180 IAP were sent back for replenishment at Ivanovo. All the surviving and serviceable aircraft were assembled in 436 IAP. On 1 August 1942 8 VA had a total of 11 Hurricanes, of which only 3 combat-ready. During the rapid retreat of the Russians, all remaining Hurricanes were destroyed by own ground personnel at Kalch-on-Don airfield. Between 13 June and 30 July 1942 pilots of 235 IAD claimed 69 enemy aircraft destroyed. During that period the regiments lost 54 Hurricanes in combat and in accidents."

 

"The Hurricanes were still vital in their arrival on the Eastern Front. Remember that the industry was moving East therefore the Laggs and Yaks could not be produced in large numbers. The Hurricanes and Spitfires provided (I know some Spitfires were sent but I don't know how many or where they were used) provided a very good stop-gap in that production.
The 12.7mm and 20mm armament made the Hurricane a formidable enemy and as you can see from the Stalingrad alone that I posted above they did fair well even if only until 1942. However the idea of only being used into 1942 is I'm sorry to say, wrong.
The aid to Russia via Hurricanes also included IIDs and IVs. The story behind these deliveries had it roots in correspondence between Churchill and Stalin in mid-1943. Churchill mentioned the excellent results of using Hurricane IIDs against German armour in North Africa. Stalin liked that idea and asked Churchill to send Mk IIDs to the USSR. These came from RAF units in North Africa. Disassembled aircraft were shipped by sea from Bizerte to Basra, where the crates were unloaded. The aircraft were reassembled and checked. Then they were handed over to pilots of 6 PIAP. From Basra they were ferried by air via Tehran to Kirovabad. There the aircraft were handed over to 11 ZBAP.
First Hurricane IIDs arrived on 4 September 1943. Of the promised 60 aircraft the Russians received only 46. In addition the Soviets received several dozen (most probably 30) Mark IVs." 

Edited December 11, 2012 by Freycinet

[MadTommy]

Hmmm.. i'll reserve my Hurri now.. where is the shop page with the pre-order available :D

[Freycinet]

Here you have some info on the Spitfires flown by the USSR MadTommy:

 

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/spit/index.htm

[Freycinet]

And the Hurris flown by RAF pilots:

 

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sheppard/hurricanes/index.htm

 

One of the pilots was even active on an Il-2 flight sim forum these last years... 

[T_O_A_D]

They are working on Channel MAP for ROF as if WW1 would need that?

 

And as we know and have seen through the years Nothing is in Stone, and if it was it just gets tossed out to Sea LOL

[JediMaster]

I don't know about "need" about the Channel did have its share of action in WWI. Without seeing it, we don't know just how far it ranges, either, so it might actually not be large enough for a BoB-type scenario.

[LukeFF]

Without seeing it, we don't know just how far it ranges, either, so it might actually not be large enough for a BoB-type scenario.

 

[JediMaster]

Right, so while that works for ROF that map can't simply be "ported" over to WWII. No one wants London excluded in WWII!

[Krupi]

Right, so while that works for ROF that map can't simply be "ported" over to WWII. No one wants London excluded in WWII!

 

Well technically london isn't on that map 

[JediMaster]

That's because on that map London doesn't exist.

 

I can restate the exact same thing with different words too, I don't see the point though. Perhaps if you read the post preceding the map picture you would comprehend its meaning?

[[LAS]URURolf]

They are working on Channel MAP for ROF as if WW1 would need that?

 

And as we know and have seen through the years Nothing is in Stone, and if it was it just gets tossed out to Sea LOL

Well... if they pretend to model zeppelins, and someone wants to travel at zeppelin speed trough the chanell to bomb London, it will surelly be needed :D

 

Really the italian frontier with the austrians looks like a much more challenging scenario, with the alps and planes that don't fly that high.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Can't see anything British being available for Stalingrad (on the outside...maybe those lend lease Hurricanes) but if this is successful I hope the next theatre is North Africa. Nobody has done it before and it'd be fantastically fun to do I think.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Well, I dont know much about who stayed and who went but if the models for the Aircraft are being transfered doesn't that mean that the models for ground objects are also now available for 777 to use?  Including the WWII Channel area?  I know that this might not help the immediate project but it can be kept in the back room for dusting off when the time comes for a BoB scenario.   IMO I would like to see other scenarios come to light in the DN engine such as the Med or the Pacific before BoB is revisited.  Not due to distaste for that theatre, but simply because I played it everyday for a year in Cliffs.

 

  I like where Jasons head is on this one.  They Incorperated 1C when they were working on a BoM scenario.  For ease of transfer and maximization of time they chose to go with it.  Once the project comes out, and the community has had some time to digest its quality and playability then they can turn loose the creativity of the team on a new project!    Remember IL2 wasn't built in a day.

 

  Im on board for any/all products they are going to make as RoF hasnt left any negative opinions from me yet.      TAKE MY MONEY ALREADY!

[RedSkyTank]

Sorry Tommy this is not possible without massive work that will take away from our main task. If all works well over time we will build many new types of planes in many new theaters.

 

Jason

 

Why does this scare me, implying BOS planes (meshes) won't be up to CLOD standards. I thought it would be easy to move a mesh (plane) from one game to another ? or was that one of the main issues with CLOD (meshes too detailed - too memory hungry) ?

Edited December 13, 2012 by RedSkyTank

[Foobar]

Why does this scare me, implying BOS planes (meshes) won't be up to CLOD standards. I thought it would be easy to move a mesh (plane) from one game to another ? or was that one of the main issues with CLOD (meshes too detailed - too memory hungry) ?

 

Not the amount of faces is the question but the amount of textures is what brings the fps to the knees.

[Catseye]

Right, so while that works for ROF that map can't simply be "ported" over to WWII. No one wants London excluded in WWII!

Nor Portsmouth and the Isle of White!

[J2_Trupobaw]

Sorry Tommy this is not possible without massive work that will take away from our main task. If all works well over time we will build many new types of planes in many new theaters.

 

Jason

 

 

Why does this scare me, implying BOS planes (meshes) won't be up to CLOD standards. I thought it would be easy to move a mesh (plane) from one game to another ? or was that one of the main issues with CLOD (meshes too detailed - too memory hungry) ?

 

My guess is it's not the mesh, it's the flight model below it. As far as I understand it, Natural Engine works by simulating shape of the plane and measuring the airflow around it, so doing a new plane for RoF takes month(s) of work, but each plane is an unique experience. Not so long ago people have been trying to root for older version of Albatross D.III on RoF forum. It was a different variant of already modeled aircraft, with rudder and tail section of even older D.II variant (also already modeled), so they claimed bashing the two together is pretty straghtforward. The answer was "Sorry, it's not so simple". Bear in mind that all three aircraft are similar in performance and look almost identical on first (and second) glance.

[Stick]

Nor Portsmouth and the Isle of White!

 

Agree , would need map extending further west. Isle of Wight, Ventor radar station, Tangermere etc.

 

 

[Feathered_IV]

The clod based models are split into separate meshes textures hier files and coding etc in a way that are incompatible with the DN system. Modifying the models and trying to rebuild them to conform to the new engine would take forever. If you extract the models from clod and RoF and have a look, you'll see what I mean.

Edited December 15, 2012 by Feathered_IV

[=IRFC=Huetz]

Actually a slightly modified version (extended to London) could work without the massive performance hit that huge cities usually tend to have in flight sims.

 

The secret is in the mission builder (the same one that RoF has will basically be the one for BoS, see Dev Diary I ) as the map itself is only the landscape. Everything unneeded can actually be turned off for for performance reasons and replaced with a less resource intensive template for buildings.

[Ribbs]

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Looks like the main part of the channel map that we always fly on is modeled though..

[79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer]

The clod based models are split into separate meshes textures hier files and coding etc in a way that are incompatible with the DN system. Modifying the models and trying to rebuild them to conform to the new engine would take forever. If you extract the models from clod and RoF and have a look, you'll see what I mean.

 

So, any rattly clapped out Hurry would have to be built from the bottom up then? The buy-a-plane model of 777 may help out though, I would think there's enough British (or wannabees) around for a lend/lease Hurricane to be a viable project.

 

Edited December 15, 2012 by Friendly flyer

[Feathered_IV]

I'll fly anything with a tropical filter. Besides, they can use that for their Malta expansion later.

[Jetlagg]

I do love the idea of a North Africa sequel.   :wub:

[VaeTibi]

Well fingers are crossed that some early szenarios will turn up in time. Maybe with some of these?

 

 

[ATAG_Slipstream]

Love that Hampden! Guy Gibson flew one of them.

[79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer]

I'll fly anything with a tropical filter. Besides, they can use that for their Malta expansion later.

 

Indeed!

[Mac_Messer]

I flew against Spittys and Hurris over Smolensk a few times. They were Focke food.