Havoc/Boston, with just a pinch more punch

[spudkopf]

One of my favourite rides in Il2-46 (granted there were many) was the A-20G, with that nose chock full of guns it was a hell of a lot of fun.

 

Now I know this subject has been discussed sporadically from time to time, but seeing that we're not likely to be seeing the A-20G before the PTO, if at all, it would be nice having a few more options for the A-20B that we already have, say along the lines of the excellent A8/F8 arrangement, we could have an A-20B/C arrangement where the C options are automatically applied in the plane/weapons setup window.

 

With an A-20C among other things we could gain the up-rated RF-2600-23 engines, beefed up armour and the self-sealing tanks, further options like feild installed gun pack noses, torpedoes (when they become available) and maybe even the soviet defensive turret or at least the twin flexible 50s. While thinking further ahead to the PTO the C models also served with the both the RAAF and the USAAF in that theatre of operations, not to forgetting the RAFs extensive use of model C in Europe as well.

 

In the end I guess it all comes down to the availability or more importantly the lack there the of, of the already stretched resources, although in saying that this would be the kind of project that would certainly lend itself to a 3rd party developer, especially those keen to have a kick start as it were, in that it would be a much less demanding task to create the A-20Cs from the Bs 3D model than to build another type entirely from scratch. However there would still be the quite considerable task of implementing the C model into the game, which would require significant amounts of that already non-existent free development team hours to do. 

 

I also understand that the BoK development has well and truly passed, but maybe the C model could be offered as a collectors plane instead, or in deed along the lines of the RoF Modifications model. Using a RoF Modifications type model would also allow for the most requested upgrades to the other already released BoX aircraft, to be considered and implemented, perhaps at the same time offering an additional revenue stream which may hopefully even cover the development costs of said Modification sets.

 

This should have perhaps been posted in the suggestions area, however I just wanted to gauge the general thoughts on the pros and cons as to the merit of such an idea, but if this thread ultimately ends up there then that’s fine and sorry in advance for the clutter.

 

Cheers

Edited November 16, 2018 by spudkopf
Grammar, always the grammar, except when it's not.

[Finkeren]

15 hours ago, spudkopf said:

This should have perhaps been posted in the suggestions area

 

Correct.

 

However, since we are here: I’d love to have the A-20G, and it would fit well with a possible future 1943-44 New Guinea title. But as a stand-alon collector’s plane, I think it’s use would be limited. The A-20G’s service with the VVS lies mostly outside the current time frame of the Eastern Front titles (and IIRC most Soviet A-20Gs were converted to a glazed nose with a bombardier position) I don’t know how many served in Westen Europe in late 44 - early 45.

 

Best to hold this off, ‘till we get to the PTO.

[ShamrockOneFive]

A couple of squadrons of A-20Gs were still in active use with the 9th Air Force into early 1945 before they were all converted to the A-26. It could easily fit into the Bodenplatte timeframe.

 

I'd love to see the A-20G at some point in the future.

[Talon_]

22 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

A couple of squadrons of A-20Gs were still in active use with the 9th Air Force into early 1945 before they were all converted to the A-26. It could easily fit into the Bodenplatte timeframe.

 

 

Also 88 Sqn flew A-20Cs in 2TAF

[spudkopf]

Yes as much as I’d love to see the G/J or even the H/K models, I chose to focus on what was the more practical or softer option of C model, as this would necessitate the least amount of remodelling, with the un-stepped nose glazing being the major visual difference externally along with some possible instrumentation changes in the cockpit. As I said above the idea is to make the C model a selectable option through weapons window much like the way the A8/F8 currently works.

 

For instance when you ticked the non-stepped glazing from the weapons panel, you would then have a C model along with all its improvements, like engines, self-sealing tanks, etc , additionally to this options like the flexible twin 50s defensive mounts or the field installed glazing mounted MGs could then be selectable.

 

I’m not totally sure on this (and someone will undoubtedly point this out if I’m wrong) but a C model would also fit into the BoK time frame whereas sadly the G and later models would probably not.

 

All that said, in the end all this is just a thought exercise, as I doubt that any further BoK development beyond what we have now to be remote, but hey one can dream.

[=621=Samikatz]

7 hours ago, Talon_ said:

 

Also 88 Sqn flew A-20Cs in 2TAF

 

A-20Cs armed with Torpedos would be a wonderful addition to the Kuban theatre and an excellent way to test and refine torpedo mechanics before we head to the far east

[Cpt_Cool]

A pinch more punch? Sounds like a touch too much. 

 

[CanadaOne]

Moar gunz!

[Royal_Flight]

On 11/16/2018 at 12:08 AM, Talon_ said:

 

Also 88 Sqn flew A-20Cs in 2TAF

 

Jason offered to include a skin for 88 Sqn on the A-20 which disappointingly never materialised.

 

On 11/16/2018 at 7:52 AM, =621=Samikatz said:

 

A-20Cs armed with Torpedos would be a wonderful addition to the Kuban theatre and an excellent way to test and refine torpedo mechanics before we head to the far east

 

Definitely, I was under the impression that the largely-water Kuban map was to be a test case for the future Pacific, but it’s a shame that nothing’s been done with it yet. Hopefully there will be things added like torpedoes, ship AI etc but I’m not sure when it would get done with a landlocked map in BoBo. 

[=621=Samikatz]

1 hour ago, Royal_Flight said:

Definitely, I was under the impression that the largely-water Kuban map was to be a test case for the future Pacific, but it’s a shame that nothing’s been done with it yet. Hopefully there will be things added like torpedoes, ship AI etc but I’m not sure when it would get done with a landlocked map in BoBo. 

 

BoBp will have some sea around Amsterdam

 

I don't at all expect it but I'd enjoy doing some U-boot hunting, doubly so if they were nice enough to give us a Tsetse

[spudkopf]

10 hours ago, =621=Samikatz said:

I don't at all expect it but I'd enjoy doing some U-boot hunting, doubly so if they were nice enough to give us a Tsetse

 

But only if there are some Mk VII or Mk IX boats to hunt, but then you'd need a partial UK map, as allied anti-shipping OPs would have been UK based, and then of course for good measure you'd want a to have the rocket armed Beaufighter or the a for mentioned Mosquito in the plane set.

 

 

 

 

 OK it's decided then, we'll just push the Pacific back again (surely no one will notice) and build..... BoNS (Battle of the North Sea) with a new Norway / Denmark / Scotland map   

 

All joking aside though, I've always thought there to be a veritable tonne of untapped / unrealised potential in this particular region of the conflict, there and also the Bay of Biscay (also quite full of das Boot).

Edited November 18, 2018 by spudkopf