Gambit21 Posted November 13, 2018 Posted November 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said: Online with your squad mates? Ah...no LOL I don't think in online terms at this juncture, but yes point taken. Online is a different ball game in every respect, number of EVERYTHING, including under the hood editor logic, triggers etc etc. One of the reasons I don't bother with online stuff right now.
DD_fruitbat Posted November 13, 2018 Posted November 13, 2018 Ignore my edit, lol, you replied as I was typing!
BraveSirRobin Posted November 13, 2018 Posted November 13, 2018 The problems with large numbers of bombers are probably no worse than the problems that PTO will have with carrier battle groups. There is a lot of AAA on a carrier and it’s escorts. 1
=27=Davesteu Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) And that's why we go to Papua New Guinea: Japanese AAA wasn't the best, bombers frequently operated in smaller flights, and instead of London you defend Port Moresby and Rabaul. Even Spitfires fought over there. Someone mentioned the B-26 Marauder: served there. Tactical air war, the strength of IL2 BoX, combined with plenty of naval targets and strategic bombing in one map. And if you are really into Spitfires: Burma 1944. May also contain traces of aircraft like the A-36A, P-51A, B-25G/H, Ki-44-II, or Hurricane Mk.II. BTW: No one asked for a Me 323 yet?! Come on, how should the MTO work without giants if BoBP doesn't work without heavies? Edited November 14, 2018 by =27=Davesteu 2
Enceladus828 Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 On 11/12/2018 at 5:25 PM, Legioneod said: I like CloD but it failed, and it's still unplayable for many. It'd be much more productive to have the Team Fusion people work for BoX. I'd support CloD more if it didnt interfere with potential BoX. The main reason CloD leaves a bad taste in my mouth is because BoX wont expand into the same areas as CloD which is unfortunate. We could have Battle of Britain, Normandy, Africa, etc all in BoX but because of CloD that will never happen for the foreseeable future. Thats the main reason I don't support it. Fact is Legioneod, when Cliffs of Dover came it in 2011, there were no plans for IL-2: Battle of Stalingrad. It was only in late 2012 when 1C pulled out was when the latter game was planned. Throughout history fate has sometimes been beneficiary. An example is that if Henry VIII’s first wife had a son that lived then he never would have needed to divorce her, meaning that the Anglican Church would never have been created, and Queen Elizabeth I wouldn’t have been born. In this situation, if CloD hadn’t failed then 1C wouldn’t have signed the agreement with 777 Studios to make IL-2: BOS. My question for you is why don’t you want to have 2 perfectly good IL-2 games in the future which have the latest technology, and 1CGS has some part in development, why do you want there to be only 1?
Legioneod Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said: Fact is Legioneod, when Cliffs of Dover came it in 2011, there were no plans for IL-2: Battle of Stalingrad. It was only in late 2012 when 1C pulled out was when the latter game was planned. Throughout history fate has sometimes been beneficiary. An example is that if Henry VIII’s first wife had a son that lived then he never would have needed to divorce her, meaning that the Anglican Church would never have been created, and Queen Elizabeth I wouldn’t have been born. In this situation, if CloD hadn’t failed then 1C wouldn’t have signed the agreement with 777 Studios to make IL-2: BOS. My question for you is why don’t you want to have 2 perfectly good IL-2 games in the future which have the latest technology, and 1CGS has some part in development, why do you want there to be only 1? My problem isn't CloD, it's BoX not doing certain areas just because CloD might go there in the future. We're missing out on some really good theaters/expansions just because CloD has some strange claim on them. 2 1
Feathered_IV Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 It is almost a year to the day now since the pacific chapter was postponed indefinitely. Have there been any significant advances over the last 12 months to make it more viable? 1
EAF19_Marsh Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said: It is almost a year to the day now since the pacific chapter was postponed indefinitely. Have there been any significant advances over the last 12 months to make it more viable? Good question, I cannot think of anything but there may well be less visible developments that ease the future job of Pacific elements.
Oyster_KAI Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said: Good question, I cannot think of anything but there may well be less visible developments that ease the future job of Pacific elements. We will know it in 1 week.....it's time to get some surprise!!
Gambit21 Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 37 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said: It is almost a year to the day now since the pacific chapter was postponed indefinitely. Have there been any significant advances over the last 12 months to make it more viable? You just concern yourself with the radio chatter mister. 1
Danziger Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Feathered_IV said: It is almost a year to the day now since the pacific chapter was postponed indefinitely. Have there been any significant advances over the last 12 months to make it more viable?
150GCT_Veltro Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 Operation Husky would the best MTO choice for the IL2 "Battle of" serie, may be Jason one day will understand it. Planeset would be the most interesting for everybody, with Mark.VIII just to name one of them, without considering A36, Hornisse, Macchi 205 ecc. ecc.. and of course the air naval operations. 1 1
Feathered_IV Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 We need to think of a historical battle where very small numbers of aircraft fought in purely fighter vs fighter combat from bases that were incredibly close to each other, preferably in an environment that contained neither ships nor ground forces. I can only think of Nevada, but that one is taken. 2
ITAF_Rani Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Feathered_IV said: We need to think of a historical battle where very small numbers of aircraft fought in purely fighter vs fighter combat from bases that were incredibly close to each other, preferably in an environment that contained neither ships nor ground forces. Allied planes taking off from Tunisia to attack south Sardinia and Sicily Scenario 1943-44 Edited November 14, 2018 by ITAF_Rani
Algy-Lacey Posted November 14, 2018 Author Posted November 14, 2018 2 hours ago, 150GCT_Veltro said: Operation Husky would the best MTO choice for the IL2 "Battle of" serie, may be Jason one day will understand it. Planeset would be the most interesting for everybody, with Mark.VIII just to name one of them, without considering A36, Hornisse, Macchi 205 ecc. ecc.. and of course the air naval operations. I kind of agree, However, I also think that if the Map extended south of Sicily to include Malta and a large area of the Mediterranean Sea then 1CGS could include the Defense of Malta AS WELL AS Operation Husky. The only drawback that I can see is formations of Italian / German bombers would be limited to perhaps 12 or 16 aircraft which isn't historical. I'm like a dog with a stick, I won't let go! For me, the above mentioned Defence of Malta gives 1CGS a chance to work on revised bomber aircraft formations with large numbers of bombers with a limited FM and very limited AI. This would pave the way for a Defence of the Reich campaign with hundreds of B-17 Bombers, Battle Of Britain in the Great Battles' engine, and way into the future: even the B-29 raids on Japan. Does anyone think 1CGS can pull off such a huge re-writing of code for large bomber formations? Algy Lacey 1
DD_Arthur Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 2 hours ago, 150GCT_Veltro said: Operation Husky would the best MTO choice for the IL2 "Battle of" serie, may be Jason one day will understand it. Planeset would be the most interesting for everybody, with Mark.VIII just to name one of them, without considering A36, Hornisse, Macchi 205 ecc. ecc.. and of course the air naval operations. Agree completely. 1
InProgress Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Legioneod said: My problem isn't CloD, it's BoX not doing certain areas just because CloD might go there in the future. We're missing out on some really good theaters/expansions just because CloD has some strange claim on them. Again this... they did bodenplatte even tho clod is already on west. So you can get your beloved Mediterranean as well. You think in the future like 20 years. World war 2 was huge, they will never cover it all. I am pretty sure TF is not randomly doing expansions but they work closely with 1C and they agree on which battles they will do. It's ridiculous if you think TF going to make random expansions to block box and say "haha sorry guys we did it first, go find new battle!" Gosh.... If they do expansion to sell here then I am pretty sure 1C must agree to it and if they will expect box cover it, they won't ler TF make it. Edited November 14, 2018 by InProgress 1
Algy-Lacey Posted November 14, 2018 Author Posted November 14, 2018 50 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said: Mk VIII ???????? If I recall correctly, Jeffrey Quill - Chief test pilot at Supermarine - said that the Spitfire Mk.VIII was the best handling of all the Spitfires. Just this one Aircraft is a great addition to any Mediterranean, Burmese, Papua New Guinea'n, Australian battlefront. I hope for 1CGS to include this aircraft in the next Great Battles installment, whatever the theatre ?
CountZero Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 11 hours ago, =27=Davesteu said: And that's why we go to Papua New Guinea: Japanese AAA wasn't the best, bombers frequently operated in smaller flights, and instead of London you defend Port Moresby and Rabaul. Even Spitfires fought over there. Someone mentioned the B-26 Marauder: served there. Tactical air war, the strength of IL2 BoX, combined with plenty of naval targets and strategic bombing in one map. And if you are really into Spitfires: Burma 1944. May also contain traces of aircraft like the A-36A, P-51A, B-25G/H, Ki-44-II, or Hurricane Mk.II. BTW: No one asked for a Me 323 yet?! Come on, how should the MTO work without giants if BoBP doesn't work without heavies? New Guinea is to me more likely then Burma, just because if your going to PTO for first time it has to scream america , and Burma was more british thing So for example airplanes they could make for Operation U-Go in 1944 Burma Ki-43-II-Kai Ki-44-II-Ko Ki-61-I-Otsu Ki-45-Hei/Otsu Ki-21-II or G4M1 vs A-36A Hurricane Mk.IV Spitfire Mk.VIII Beaufighter Mk.VI B-25C/G/H and P-47D and Spits V we already have, just by looking at planes that fight there it doesent say PTO how mases see it, no zeros no american cats, airplanes are interesting but maybe for 2nd or 3rd PTO DLC, i think first PTO DLC has to have famos zeros vs cats to get the masses in, and atleast New Guinea has that so even do i liked playing on 1946 on Burma missions i dont see them atractive for first step in PTO. But that would be perfect for this game, no big bomber formations, all fight is low-mid alt, and no problem with ships and 40-50 flaks on each of them. Also nothing stops them to do late 44-45 Italy, how CloD TF works they will probably never reach that far, so like they realised will never get that far to 44-45 west front and we got BoBp here event though it was said BoX have no interest in west , we can get Italy late war, and no problems of both games doing same thing.
Pharoah Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 its disappointing that the devs aren't going to the Med. that would (IMHO) be the next logical step esp given the Luftwaffe a/c are pretty much already developed. What they do need to do is let CLOD die or redo it. The graphics look pretty good until you get close to land - then you see how ugly it is. 1
Porkins Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 8 hours ago, Feathered_IV said: It is almost a year to the day now since the pacific chapter was postponed indefinitely. Have there been any significant advances over the last 12 months to make it more viable? The P-38 development! The P-38 is BoX's thin wedge into the PTO!!!
Enceladus828 Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 4 hours ago, [ASOR]Pharoah said: its disappointing that the devs aren't going to the Med. that would (IMHO) be the next logical step esp given the Luftwaffe a/c are pretty much already developed. What they do need to do is let CLOD die or redo it. The graphics look pretty good until you get close to land - then you see how ugly it is. Jason stated in 2016 when he signed the agreement with Team Fusion that if 1CGS did the Battle of Britain then they would get lots of flak by everyone. Jason wants to go to the Pacific, that is his absolute #1 goal. He knows alot about the Eastern Front and the Pacific, but not necessarily the Med. If BoX did do the Med, then it would be after the Pacific, I'd guess 2023+ and would be limited to a few, such as Greece, Italian Campaign late 1943-1945. If Jason saw no potential for Cliffs of Dover and Team Fusion to be successful, then he wouldn't have given them the 1C source code. When TF 5.0 is released early next year there will be many new flyable planes. My question would be, what other game can you fly a Wellington, Dewoitine D.520, Bf 108, Gladiator Mk.II with highly detailed cockpits? If you think that Cliffs of Dover should die or by axed by BoX, then post that on the Cliffs of Dover Forum, or PM the moderator, Buzzsaw. Here is how everything (roughly) is: IL-2 Cliffs of Dover (2011-17) equivalent to IL-2: BOS Alpha Cliffs of Dover Blitz= IL-2: BOS late 2014 TF 5.0 North Africa= BOM TF 6.0 Siege of Malta= BOK Here is the video regarding Jason and the Med : 1 1
ACG_KaiLae Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 13 hours ago, Legioneod said: My problem isn't CloD, it's BoX not doing certain areas just because CloD might go there in the future. We're missing out on some really good theaters/expansions just because CloD has some strange claim on them. One has nothing to do with the other. If they thought they would make enough money from it, they would do it. 777 wants to do a pacific campaign and that's why they basically don't care about TF 5.0.
EAF19_Marsh Posted November 14, 2018 Posted November 14, 2018 The deal with TF was a no-brainer win-win, but otherwise I agree with what you said
Field-Ops Posted November 19, 2018 Posted November 19, 2018 I wonder if the Devs giving us the experimental 20mm guns on the Mc202 is a message like "well, we wont be going to the MTO any time soon so lets give them something more for this 202 so they feel like a late war Italian aircraft too". 1
Enceladus828 Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) On 11/12/2018 at 9:59 PM, FarflungWanderer said: The game had its time in the sun. It's time for BoX to shine. Umm, No. This game never had it's time in the sun as one may say. I think before Cliffs of Dover was first released in 2011, it was anticipated as being the best IL-2 game. 1. The sun was shining on it before it came out. 2. But when it was released, clouds quickly encircled it, and the sun was gone. 3. When Team Fusion got in there it was cloudy with patches of sun. 4. After Blitz was released it was partly cloudy. 5. After the release of patch 5.0, it will be sunny with some clouds. 6. After the release of VR in summer of 2019, it will be clear skies with at most, cirrus clouds. BoX has been shining since 2016 after the release of BOM, Ju-52, BoK. The game has had a high potential since 2016. Both of your statements are flawed On 11/12/2018 at 9:59 PM, FarflungWanderer said: I think the time has come to mothball the game. [Just so that Battle of Britain and Mediterranean can be a part of IL-2 GB] What does need to be mothballed is your's and others " Bee in a Bonnet." that IL-2 Cliffs of Dover needs to end. My question for you is, why is there such an issue with IL-2 GB not doing the Mediterranean? Edited January 3, 2019 by Novice-Flyer 1
BraveSirRobin Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said: My question for you is, why is there such an issue with IL-2 GB not doing the Mediterranean? Because the game engine used for IL-2 GB is much better. I didn’t even bother to load CloD on my new pc. 1
DD_fruitbat Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said: Because the game engine used for IL-2 GB is much better. Until you want to put lots of planes in the air at the same time. Battle of Britain in this engine, would be a laughably bad representation. As will any theatre of ops that has big air battles unfortunately. Edited January 3, 2019 by DD_fruitbat 1 1
DD_Arthur Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 On 11/14/2018 at 5:44 PM, Novice-Flyer said: Jason stated in 2016 when he signed the agreement with Team Fusion that if 1CGS did the Battle of Britain then they would get lots of flak by everyone. Good point. The forty people in the whole world who still play CLoD regularly might be upset...... 1
danielprates Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) Still this "clod has to die/my life sucks because clod exists" whinning? Jeeeeez. Leave clod alone for fudge's sake. Edited January 3, 2019 by danielprates 2
BraveSirRobin Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, danielprates said: Still this "clod has to die/my life sucks because clod exists" whinning? Jeeeeez. Leave clod alone for fudge's sake. There is absolutely no one who has said anything like that. 11 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said: Until you want to put lots of planes in the air at the same time. Battle of Britain in this engine, would be a laughably bad representation. As will any theatre of ops that has big air battles unfortunately. So the IL2 engine would be perfect for the MTO. 1
DD_fruitbat Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said: So the IL2 engine would be perfect for the MTO. Some of it. Not so much Tunisia and Malta. 1
BlitzPig_EL Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 The best reason to do Korea... That said I still want to see the Pacific as the number one priority for the next installment of the series. 1
DD_fruitbat Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said: The best reason to do Korea... That said I still want to see the Pacific as the number one priority for the next installment of the series. Have you seen this? https://www.worldwarbirdnews.com/2019/01/02/unexpected-first-flight-for-xp-82-twin-mustang-prototype/ Edited January 3, 2019 by DD_fruitbat
CountZero Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said: There is absolutely no one who has said anything like that. So the IL2 engine would be perfect for the MTO. Late 44-45 Italy is place to go as game engine would be fit for type of operations there, interestng map area, no need for naval stuff, no need for big bombers and big formations, you can easy include some airplanes people ask for bobp now, and add top line italian fighters ( mc205, g55, me-410s, 109g10, ar234 ..., razerback p47s or p-51s, mosquitos, b-26s, spit 8s... ) and airplanes that can be used also in bobp for SP, and airplanes from bobp can be used there also in SP ( planty 190F8, p-38J p-51 and p-47 bubble, spit 9s, b-25s operated there), and your not steping on TFS mto as it would take them years to historicly come to that timeline if they are profitable as there is so many things to cover in med befoe italy 44-45. Its like printing money after bobp dlc, accesable airplanes data, accesable campaing data for SP, and both dlc have so many comon airplanes that they fit to be together, and more time to prepare for pto Also they show with Kuban that they have best hight modeling for maps, it would be shame not to use that for all the mountaines area in north Italy ? Edited January 3, 2019 by 77.CountZero 4
Enceladus828 Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 58 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said: I didn’t even bother to load CloD on my new pc. Shame on you.
Guest deleted@83466 Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said: So the IL2 engine would be perfect for the MTO. And Yet....
Ribbon Posted January 3, 2019 Posted January 3, 2019 That way they can keep delaying PTO indefinitely. You're saying it like someone else will make PTO for them while they're working on Med. Like devs are waiting with us! It will only delay PTO for another 2years. Also not sure how smart is to sell planes that we already have in other expansions (alsmost the same planeset, no diversity-low sales). Eventually i'd love to see it but not now.
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