Before IL-2 Pacific, IL-2 Battle of the Meditteranean?

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

6 hours ago, Legioneod said:

Regardless, P-47s did see action over New Guinea throughout the war, D-11 and D-15, and D-23s included. I'm talking about the whole campaign from 42-45 not just a small portion of it.

 

Also, what does P-47 losses have to do with anything?

And people complain about DCS being an incoherent mess, yet can suggest even greater incoherence if it suits their idea here ... 

Losses of P-47s indicate relative time of use of various models and how long they were kept in service. Sure, you can take upcoming P-47 D-28 to represent a cherry picked D-15 that came after campaign was almost or was over to combat 1943 Ki-61 and A6M3. And what 1945 campaign ? Japanese Army evacuated Wewak in March / April 1944 and was effectively driven off the Hollandia by June.  

[Legioneod]

22 minutes ago, =362nd_FS=Hiromachi said:

And people complain about DCS being an incoherent mess, yet can suggest even greater incoherence if it suits their idea here ... 

Losses of P-47s indicate relative time of use of various models and how long they were kept in service. Sure, you can take upcoming P-47 D-28 to represent a cherry picked D-15 that came after campaign was almost or was over to combat 1943 Ki-61 and A6M3. And what 1945 campaign ? Japanese Army evacuated Wewak in March / April 1944 and was effectively driven off the Hollandia by June.  

The New Guinea campaign lasted from 1942 to 1945.

[falle96]

I appreciate the efforts of Team Fusion and that Cliffs of Dover has a real playerbase, but honestly I think the time has come to mothball the game. At this point it is beginning to actively get in the way of interesting modules for the new engine, modules that people here have expressed a real interest in.

 

I'm sorry, but whoever said that CloD needs to die is right. The game had its time in the sun. It's time for BoX to shine.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

26 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

The New Guinea campaign lasted from 1942 to 1945.

Land campaign, though at much slower pace than in 1943 - 1944, since attention shifted to Marianas, Philippines and later Okinawa. 4th Koku Gun (Air Army) was forced to abandon Hollandia by July 1944, evacuating to Celebes. Or whatever was left of 4th, since the entire Air Army was decimated in process. 

It's a flight sim and you need both sides present to get it done.  

[Legioneod]

20 minutes ago, =362nd_FS=Hiromachi said:

Land campaign, though at much slower pace than in 1943 - 1944, since attention shifted to Marianas, Philippines and later Okinawa. 4th Koku Gun (Air Army) was forced to abandon Hollandia by July 1944, evacuating to Celebes. Or whatever was left of 4th, since the entire Air Army was decimated in process. 

It's a flight sim and you need both sides present to get it done.  

I wasn't really thinking about the Japanese side of things, just the allied side. Either way, the point was P-47s did serve over New Guinea throughout the campaign, and if they do New Guinea I'm sure they'll include a Razorback of some sort.

[LeLv76_Erkki]

I'd personally also like to see Mediterranean. If early war is not possible, then late war would work too. Gothic line campaign, map from north of Rome to the Alps, with Adriatic sea... That would be gorgeous in BoX engine! Just imagine what they would do with river Po valley, Milan, Venice and Florence!

 

Aircraft wise we have most needed Luftwaffe aircraft already. Some mid and late war Italian fighters are needed, and maybe Ju 88 A-17 for Axis. Early P-47, P-51, Merlin 61 Spitfire IX and maybe VIII for Allies. B-25 and A-20 for bombers.

 

All but Italian aircraft would also support Channel/West front and the Pacific nicely.

[Legioneod]

32 minutes ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

...

B-25 B-26 and A-20 for bombers.

 

All but Italian aircraft would also support Channel/West front and the Pacific nicely.

 

Agree with everything but the B-25. B-26 would be a better choice imo, + we are already getting a B-25 with Bodenplatte.

[ITAF_Rani]

9 hours ago, Finkeren said:

If for some reason they needed to do another title before moving to the Pacific and they flat out refused to go back to the Eastern Front, then I think a 1943-44 Italy title would be feasible. 

 

That's a mighty big "if" though. IMHO it is more likely that we skip out of WW2 entirely, if for some reason the PTO still isn't happening, and move on to Korea. 

Great idea..and my dream also.!!

Fly an Mc205 Veltro could be a lot of fun. Mounting a DB 605-this bird was faster than 202 and at the same time a lot manouvrable. A real challenge for allied planes. Don' t forget the pair of 20 mm cannons and 2 sinchronized 12,7, a dangerous fire power.

[EAF19_Marsh]

Could it be a map-lead add-on? Issolate a part of the Gothic Line (or similar) that best fits the current preferred map size and then port the BoBp a/c with a few collector’s aircraft (Bracciano has the Italian fighters needed).

 

Suspect it is higly unlikely, but it could be a relatively low-cost add-on.

[ITAF_Rani]

17 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Could it be a map-lead add-on? Issolate a part of the Gothic Line (or similar) that best fits the current preferred map size and then port the BoBp a/c with a few collector’s aircraft (Bracciano has the Italian fighters needed).

 

Suspect it is higly unlikely, but it could be a relatively low-cost add-on.

Nice....and don' t forget 3 great planes to add on:

 

Macchi Mc 205

Fiat  G 55

Reggiane Re 2005

 

Center and North Italy  1944/45 could be a nice extension in Bodenplatte, where to use planes already existing like

Bf 109 G6/G14 K4

Spitfire mk 9

Mustangs

Thunderbolts

P38

Edited November 13, 2018 by ITAF_Rani

[EAF19_Marsh]

5 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Nice....and don' t forget 3 great planes to add on:

 

Macchi Mc 205

Fiat  G 55

Reggiane Re 2005

 

Center and North Italy  1944/45 could be a nice extension in Bodenplatte, where to use planes already existing like

Bf 109 G6/G14 K4

Spitfire mk 9

Mustangs

Thunderbolts

P38

 

The G-55 might be difficult?

[ITAF_Rani]

26 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Nice....and don' t forget 3 great planes to add on:

 

Macchi Mc 205

Fiat  G 55

Reggiane Re 2005

 

Center and North Italy  1944/45 could be a nice extension in Bodenplatte, where to use planes already existing like

Bf 109 G6/G14 K4

Spitfire mk 9

Mustangs

Thunderbolts

P38

Great italian pilots flew these birds, like Adriano Visconti

 

 

 

Edited November 13, 2018 by ITAF_Rani

[Field-Ops]

I would easily buy into IL-2 BoR (Battle of Rome). My excitement for a 1943/44/45 expansion into the heart of Italy is matched by my want for a Pacific expansion. So I'm down for either one. I would be less excited for a 43/44 Normandy expansion or a 44/45 Russian front but I'd still buy it.

11 minutes ago, ITAF_Rani said:

Macchi Mc 205

Fiat  G 55

Reggiane Re 2005

Could also add on the Ju-87 D-5 thats long overdue. 

As well as either a Me-410, Bf-110 F2, or a Do217 for a well fitting heavy of the time.

I fear the Italian bombers like Sm79 would be fodder comparative to the German machines of the time. 

[ITAF_Rani]

4 minutes ago, Field-Ops said:

I fear the Italian bombers like Sm79 would be fodder comparative to the German machines of the time. 

The main role was anti shipping torpedo bomber.

The SM 79 Sparviero will fit more in Clod new patch instead in a short expansion focused in center/north Italy where the war was almost in the air.

 

[Eicio]

3 hours ago, Banzaii said:

Been debating this with friends... Battle of Korea with all the contributions of carrier based aviation which many know little about. Me262 gets the jet tech in game, and it allows them time to develop carriers for the Pacific with easier material to find.  Some BoBo aircraft are Korea used as well.  Sabre, Mig, Panther, Corsair, F51, Skyraider.  I'd prefer this over Italy and be patient on BoP with this.

 Battle of Korea (BOK ? Seems legit...wait... ) would be interesting, it's true even if it's not WWII. One issue would still be that you can find more than 50 interesting planes on the blue side while the red would only get 6, the best of them with the most technological leap forward into the aviation era is of course... the po-2.

 

But come on, how could you choose korea over a sweet sweet italian plane ? Beautiful planes, purrrfect lines with 0.50 cal... wait... I'm being told they're pasta launchers, make sens.

[Algy-Lacey]

11 hours ago, No601_Swallow said:

Algy - I'm with you! I suspect it would be easier to sell as a "Mini-Battle" - a small map with Malta and the coast of Sicily (like one of the old IL2 maps), with a limited number of ship types and just a couple of new aircraft (Hurricane, possibly Gladiator, I suppose). But it would be - and here's the selling point! - a perfect test bed for... Carrier Operations! You just need one British Carrier (HMS Argos, I think). Thus the team get to try out the mechanics necessary for the PTO, with minimum time and effort!

 

Sold! ?

 

Hey No601_Swallow,

 

I agree with your outline of a smaller Malta campaign. Much more likely than Mediterranean 1941 through to 1943 with areas of North Africa (N.Africa being covered by Team Fusion and CloD)

 

 

I've modified my proposal to suit...

 

The first battle would be the air defence of Malta 1942

Then combat against shipping in the Med, in the area around Malta 1942

And finally the invasion of Sicily in 1943. (this battle brings the later war Italian fighters into play: Mc.205, G.55 also Allied Spitfire Mk.IX, Spitfire Mk.VIII, P-38J)

 

Aircraft already modelled include:

 

Allies:

Spitfire Mk.Vb

Spitfire Mk.IXc

Curtiss P-40

Lockheed P-38J

Douglas A-20

 

Axis:

Bf109f4

Bf109g4

Macchi Mc.202

Heinkel He111

Junkers Ju88

Junkers Ju87

Bf110g2

 

Aircraft needed to flesh out the lineup:

 

Allies:

Spitfire Mk.Vb Aboukir Filter                     (slight modification of existing Mk.Vb)

Spitfire Mk.Vc Tropical Vokes Filter        ( modification of existing Mk.Vb)

Spitfire Mk.VIII                                            (extensive modification of existing Mk.IX?)

Seafire Mk.IIc                                              (modification of Spitfire Mk.Vc)

Hurricane Mk.IIb 'Hurribomber'

Hurricane Mk.IIc 4 x 20mm cannon

Bristol Beaufighter? Or Fairey Firefly?

Consolidated PBY Catalina Maritime Patrol

North American B-25 AI

Consolidated B-24 AI

 

8 x new aircraft

2 x adapted from existing aircraft

 

Axis:

 

Reggiane Re.2001 Falco                          (No Re.2005 Sagittario, very limited numbers delivered)

Macchi Mc.205 Veltro                              (modification > Macchi Mc.202)

Fiat G.55 Centauro

Bf109f4 with Tropical Air Filter               (slight modification of existing f4)

Bf109g4 with Tropical Air Filter              (slight modification of existing g4)

Fieseler Fi.156 Storch                               (A slow flying field aircraft that would be SO fun to fly!)

CANT z.506 Maritime Patrol

CANT z.1007 Bomber AI

Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 Bomber AI

 

6 x new aircraft

3 x adapted from existing aircraft

 

Only counting new aircraft it's

 

10 x Allied (including variants)

9 x Axis (including variants)

 

The other GREAT thing about this Battlefront is that 1C Games could add 1 Aircraft Carrier (HMS Argos?)for the Seafire's to operate from without needing to model 3 x whole fleets of different types of Aircraft Carriers, Battleships, Frigates, Destroyers etc: American, British and Japanese.

 

The number of ships would be vastly reduced for a Battle of the Med, but would allow the created Ship Types to be used again for the Pacific expansion.

 

Here is my revised Map Area:

 

 

 

Edited November 13, 2018 by Algy-Lacey

[ITAF_Rani]

Saint Jason...please listen our prayers !!

Edited November 13, 2018 by ITAF_Rani

[Ehret]

11 minutes ago, Algy-Lacey said:

Aircraft needed to flesh out the lineup:

 

Allies:

Spitfire Mk.Vb Aboukir Filter                     (slight modification of existing Mk.Vb)

Spitfire Mk.Vc Tropical Vokes Filter        ( modification of existing Mk.Vb)

Spitfire Mk.VIII                                            (extensive modification of existing Mk.IX?)

Seafire Mk.IIc                                              (modification of Spitfire Mk.Vc)

Hurricane Mk.IIb 'Hurribomber'

Hurricane Mk.IIc 4 x 20mm cannon

Bristol Beaufighter? Or Fairey Firefly?

Consolidated PBY Catalina Maritime Patrol

North American B-25 AI

Consolidated B-24 AI

 

Where is the A-36?! She played significant enough role in the Mediterranean theater. The A-36 is very interesting Mustang variant with some unique features. Leaving out "Apache"/"Invader" would be a shame...

[Danziger]

I agree. I really don't like the current policy of not competing with TFS. If their work is good, it will stand on its own merit right beside GB. 

[Algy-Lacey]

3 hours ago, LeLv76_Erkki said:

I'd personally also like to see Mediterranean. If early war is not possible, then late war would work too. Gothic line campaign, map from north of Rome to the Alps, with Adriatic sea... That would be gorgeous in BoX engine! Just imagine what they would do with river Po valley, Milan, Venice and Florence!

 

Aircraft wise we have most needed Luftwaffe aircraft already. Some mid and late war Italian fighters are needed, and maybe Ju 88 A-17 for Axis. Early P-47, P-51, Merlin 61 Spitfire IX and maybe VIII for Allies. B-25 and A-20 for bombers.

 

All but Italian aircraft would also support Channel/West front and the Pacific nicely.

 

A late war Northern Italy Map and Campaign would be awesome too!

 

It would be appreciated if you were to give your idea some more detail like I have with Malta '42 - '43

 

Salute!

Algy Lacey

2 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Could it be a map-lead add-on? Issolate a part of the Gothic Line (or similar) that best fits the current preferred map size and then port the BoBp a/c with a few collector’s aircraft (Bracciano has the Italian fighters needed).

 

Suspect it is higly unlikely, but it could be a relatively low-cost add-on.

 

In my humble opinion, seeing as this idea for an Italian battlefront is an interim between BoBp and the Pacific, I think the Malta idea is better because of the chance to simulate carrier operations on a small scale as well as other types of shipping. Defending the shipping lanes was a crucial part of early to mid-war Mediterranean conflict.

 

And I like the planeset. A lot! A timescale of 1942 to 1943 includes the best of Italian fighters with the latest Spitfire varaints and introducing the Hawker Hurricane as a very important fighter-bomber - I think this would be Great for sales of the product.

 

Algy Lacey

[Missionbug]

Anything in the areas proposed is great as far as I am concerned, what is not to like about the aircraft set and the environment.

 

It would certainly be a more logical progression towards the Pacific, aircraft carriers could be developed without them being the whole focus of the module, could do that with Murmansk also, we might actually get the torpedo bombers that Kuban was supposed to be used to develop, what did happen to that?

 

People, be they players or developers should view GB and Blitz as separate entities and if they go along the same path at some time great, each game is different and I do not think sales would be hurt, folks already pick one or the other as it is but I think many would be happy to have the variety having both games on their PC gives them, each team would do things their own way even if in the same theater.

 

Anyway, a definite yes to the proposal in whatever version.

 

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

Edited November 13, 2018 by Missionbug

[ITAF_Rani]

How don t love these beauties....

[EAF19_Marsh]

2 hours ago, Algy-Lacey said:

 

 

In my humble opinion, seeing as this idea for an Italian battlefront is an interim between BoBp and the Pacific, I think the Malta idea is better because of the chance to simulate carrier operations on a small scale as well as other types of shipping.

 

 

 

Too much work for questionable return. ‘BoGL’ re-uses existing assets with a limited map of familiar design. If you are going to do CVs then there is no real reason to half-do them; most of the risk / cost but lacking the sizzle of the Pacific.

 

If Italy were to be offered, a limited Italy scenario would make more sense in order to generate revenue for the next complete project.

[InProgress]

15 hours ago, Legioneod said:

Huge mistake imo. Clod needs to die.

CloD haters...

 

How about they work in their free time since like it, make some cool stuff and additional $ on it. People who enjoy clod will buy it and have fun instead box fanbois crying over every mediterranean post that clod sucks and should die?

 

Spoiler

 

Edited November 13, 2018 by InProgress

[EAF19_Marsh]

I don’t hate CLoD, but there is an argument that it would be better unified than disparate from BoX.

[DickDong]

5 hours ago, Eicio said:

 Battle of Korea (BOK ? Seems legit...wait... ) would be interesting, it's true even if it's not WWII. One issue would still be that you can find more than 50 interesting planes on the blue side while the red would only get 6, the best of them with the most technological leap forward into the aviation era is of course... the po-2.

 

But come on, how could you choose korea over a sweet sweet italian plane ? Beautiful planes, purrrfect lines with 0.50 cal... wait... I'm being told they're pasta launchers, make sens.

Obviously superior in every way in lines and awesomeness.....https://goo.gl/images/2anuoS

Red: Mig 15, La-9, IL-10, La-11, Po-2, Tu-2, Yak9 to name a frw.

 

Blue: Panther Corsair, Skyraider, Cougar, Sabre , F51, many US and British carriers that could flow into a Pacific add on, Sea Fury, Meteor to name a few Commonwealth aircraft.

 

Gives them more time to flesh out Japanesse aircraft while still building the building blocks of a Pacific theatre.

Edited November 13, 2018 by Banzaii

[ITAF_Rani]

The case of the life..minutes ago I was in front Reggiane industry where Re fighters were developed during 40's  

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

I don’t hate CLoD, but there is an argument that it would be better unified than disparate from BoX.

 

In a different universe where the game engine and standards are the same, perhaps.

 

 

[Danziger]

I don't hate CloD or think it should be killed off. I like what TFS does and they should continue. What I don't like is not doing a theater in Great Battles because TFS is going there one day. Team Diadolos keeps on trucking with 46. Should we not compete with that either? I am sure most people would buy BoB or North Africa from both series. People that prefer one series would have more choices.

[RAY-EU]

Vote Battle of North Africa , Battle of the Mediterranean ( with ships Destroyers... playable  Submarines ) & Battle of the Atlantic 1943-44 (Normandy) Battle of the Atlantic 1944-45 .

[EAF19_Marsh]

20 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

In a different universe where the game engine and standards are the same, perhaps.

 

 

Hence my point: “There is an argument”. It is a shame if TF put their souls into something with a very limited future. Both in terms of revenue and longevity, BoX has the upper hand.

[Danziger]

26 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

Hence my point: “There is an argument”. It is a shame if TF put their souls into something with a very limited future. Both in terms of revenue and longevity, BoX has the upper hand.

The thing is TFS doesn't know the BoX engine. They are also only working part-time at CloD and full-time on their day jobs. I don't think they could really collaborate on anything apart from 3d models and art. 

[Legioneod]

5 hours ago, InProgress said:

CloD haters...

 

How about they work in their free time since like it, make some cool stuff and additional $ on it. People who enjoy clod will buy it and have fun instead box fanbois crying over every mediterranean post that clod sucks and should die?

 

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I don't hate CloD, I actually enjoyed it when it was playable. Blitz just made the game unplayable for me and it's seems like it went backwards in progress compared to what it was before blitz.

 

I've stated my reasons why I don't support it any longer, that's all there is to it.

[EAF19_Marsh]

2 hours ago, Danziger said:

The thing is TFS doesn't know the BoX engine. They are also only working part-time at CloD and full-time on their day jobs. I don't think they could really collaborate on anything apart from 3d models and art. 

 

Yes, I know - that was rather my point (sadly).

[DD_fruitbat]

Ironically the Battle of Britain done in this sim would be somewhat flawed, even more than Clod.

 

Scrambling to intercept a 'huge' raid of 9 He111's escorted by 4 109's wouldn't really capture BoB, and that would translate to Malta too with its large air battles too, due to the current limitations imposed on the numbers of AI aircraft, especially bombers being able to be fielded at one time, due to the ai using the same Fm.

 

It is something i hope they will have time to address sometime down the line with this sim, in some way or other.

 

Italy would be really cool though in this sim, would love that.

 

 

Edited November 13, 2018 by DD_fruitbat

[InProgress]

3 hours ago, Danziger said:

I don't hate CloD or think it should be killed off. I like what TFS does and they should continue. What I don't like is not doing a theater in Great Battles because TFS is going there one day. Team Diadolos keeps on trucking with 46. Should we not compete with that either? I am sure most people would buy BoB or North Africa from both series. People that prefer one series would have more choices.

Without clod i highly doubt box would do Mediterranean anyway. They are doing west front even tho clod is already there. Yes it's not the same place or timeline but this could be done with Mediterranean, clod does 1941-2, box could do 43 in completely different location like they did with bodenplatte.

 

But they won't, they probably know Mediterranean is not going to be bestseller, everyone is so into Pacific and that's what they will focus on + bodenplatte and maybe more west because America and west front which is more popular than some desert. 

 

So I don't believe box would do Mediterranean any time soon... saying they won't do it because clod in my opinion is completely false. If they could do west front while clod did it already, but different timeframe, they could do Mediterranean but they won't. I remember Jason saying that maybe in the future they can do Mediterranean (even if clod will do it) but now they have different plans. 

 

There was already a plan, midway, okinawa and something else. Bodenplatte in the meantime. ~1,5 year each expansion. 6 years of possible expansion. No place for Mediterranean so far.

1 minute ago, DD_fruitbat said:

Ironically the Battle of Britain done in this sim would be somewhat flawed, in some ways more than Clod.

 

Scrambling to intercept a 'huge' raid of 9 He111's escorted by 4 109's wouldn't really capture BoB, and that would translate to Malta too with its large air battles too, due to the current limitations imposed on the numbers of AI aircraft, especially bombers being able to be fielded at one time, due to the ai using the same Fm.

 

It is something i hope they will have time to address sometime down the line with this sim, in some way or other.

 

Italy would be really cool though in this sim, would love that.

 

 

Yep that is good point too. Clod can at least make huge battles, watching 9 he111 bombing Britain would be huge fail for me.

[EAF19_Marsh]

1 hour ago, InProgress said:

...watching 9 he111 bombing Britain would be huge fail for me.

 

That’s just what Goering said.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, InProgress said:

 Clod can at least make huge battles, watching 9 he111 bombing Britain would be huge fail for me.

 

I made a test mission with 3 times that. 

Granted it’s still not a hundred, but better than 9.

[Algy-Lacey]

1 hour ago, DD_fruitbat said:

Ironically the Battle of Britain done in this sim would be somewhat flawed, even more than Clod.

 

Scrambling to intercept a 'huge' raid of 9 He111's escorted by 4 109's wouldn't really capture BoB, and that would translate to Malta too with its large air battles too, due to the current limitations imposed on the numbers of AI aircraft, especially bombers being able to be fielded at one time, due to the ai using the same Fm.

 

It is something i hope they will have time to address sometime down the line with this sim, in some way or other.

 

Italy would be really cool though in this sim, would love that.

 

 

 

Before 1C games attempts to cover a battleground that involves massive bomber formations, they need to do something to address the limitations of the current system of Flight Models and AI. I had some thoughts on this which I shared in a post for developers to see, I forget the thread's title.

 

 

Here's the suggestion:

 

On 8/6/2018 at 1:18 PM, Karamazov said:

Simplified FM for AI bombers? Yes please.

 

This was implemented in the game  Battle Of Britain :  Wings Of Victory II, which I never played, but heard / read plenty about it's fantastic AI and intense single player dogfights. I believe that this game didn't have complex AI for the HUGE bomber formations of Heinkel's and Dornier's, I even seem to recall that until the player got really close to the bombers, there wasn't individual AI, just the bombers in a flight of four maybe, or even AI for each squadron (I really can't remember the details).

 

I think that if IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles were to implement this kind of logic for dealing with masses of bombers (B-17's over the Ruhr anyone?) then we could keep the individual AI for fighters and ground attack aircraft but have a much less detailed AI for Level Bombers.

 

Does anyone else think this might be a good way forward towards having many hundreds of aircraft in a Bomber formation?

 

Quote

ZachariasX

I would propose that only planes entering the event horizon (however defined) should switch to complex control and management. Simplified AI vs simplyfied AI is again fair.

 

For example, if one was to fly with a formation of say 300+ bombers, only the ones that are within that event horizon should switch to complex FM, put up a real fight, and the rest can fly somplified and gunners can exchange hit probabilities. You‘re not seeing what happens at the other end of the formation, but if an AI formation attacks AI bombers there, you want an outcome that makes sense. And you shoukd see that outcome once you fly there.

 

This way, you could potentially have 500+ aircraft in one mission, but only maybe 40 or so will be in  „realistic“ mode, the rest will be CPU-friendly.

[DD_fruitbat]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

 

I made a test mission with 3 times that. 

Granted it’s still not a hundred, but better than 9.

 

Online with your squad mates? 

 

Either way the point remains, plane number limitation under current constraints, makes certain historical scenarios more difficult to implement successfully than others. 

Edited November 13, 2018 by DD_fruitbat