SteamVR Motion Smoothing

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Anyone with a Vive had a chance to try this out yet? Available only on the beta branch for now. 

 

It's Valves equivalent of ASW. 

 

https://steamcommunity.com/games/250820/announcements/detail/1696061565016280495

[Beazil]

Not yet, but thanks for the tip.  I'll try it out later when I get a chance.

[Wraithzlt]

Thanks, I'll try that later too.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Well I tried it out. At first when I was in the menu's I was amazed. It made a huge difference.

But then I got into a flight. Way too many artifacts - the prop/gunsight, just like the Oculus guys complain about.

 

I turned it back off for IL2. It might work much better for other games and from the reports it sounds like it does.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Aaand, that bug where your screen freezes and your plane is still flying still occurs with these later drivers... 

 

Another pilot life down the drain.

[VuIture]

 I reported this as a bug last night.  This is on the game side as far as I know.  

 

 

1 hour ago, =EXPEND=Tripwire said:

Aaand, that bug where your screen freezes and your plane is still flying still occurs with these later drivers... 

 

Another pilot life down the drain.

 

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

I also logged a support ticket, but I never hold much hope...

[VuIture]

At some point its going to have to be addressed. At least as we lose the older driver support and as steam keeps requiring us to update, theres going to be a lot of people with problems.  

 

I would image the issue is something rather complex. You on the pro as well?  Suck though basically gave up on caring about my stats this month with all the vr issues adding up.  Lucky to get 2 sorties in before something happens.  

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Vive Original.

Baulked at the price of the Pro and was hoping Gen2 was closer, but seems not to be the case.

 

Yeah, I keep trying new drivers and get burnt by the same crash each time. Roll-back and then im fine until I try new drivers again.

Im sitting on 391.35 and they are stable - but the SteamVR motion smoothing needs the latest.

15 minutes ago, JV44_Megla said:

Lucky to get 2 sorties in before something happens

 

Yeah, its consistent - that's for sure.

[VuIture]

Ya I gave the motion smoothing all of 10min offline before going back to 388. something  and steamvr hotfix.  

 

Even though the vive pro is overpriced it is a major upgrade.  I setup my vive the other night and was amazed at how much better the pro really is.  When I made the upgrade originally I took for granted the image on the pro and how much clearer it is.  It took me going back after 6 months for this to be appreciated in full.  I was holding out hopes for the new fov headsets but not looking so good at the moment. 

Edited October 18, 2018 by JV44_Megla

[Guest deleted@134347]

oh, boy.. driver issues..  I ain't trying that with my vivepro. I'm still waiting on the cable replacement for it, it barely works as it is..   I'll give this smoothing thing a try in a week or so..

[Lobstrosity]

6 hours ago, =EXPEND=Tripwire said:

Well I tried it out. At first when I was in the menu's I was amazed. It made a huge difference.

But then I got into a flight. Way too many artifacts - the prop/gunsight, just like the Oculus guys complain about.

 

I turned it back off for IL2. It might work much better for other games and from the reports it sounds like it does.

You can turn off the prop with the 3DMigoto mod.

 

"Propeller can be disabled to avoid ASW problems"
Toggled off/on by "Lshift+k" key"

[Black-Bart]

Upgraded to the latest 4.16.34 to try this motion smoothing. Like Tripwire says had too many artifacts, and I had a slight frame rate loss also, so I turned it off. You also reckon this new driver is bad, I will roll back to my old version driver.

[VuIture]

Yes no drivers post 397.93 

[Lobstrosity]

I just flew a single mission (BOS IL2 intercept over an airfield) and a TAW mission (low level supply run over Stalingrad) and am very impressed with the new smoothing. Usually Stalingrad brings my game to a slide show but its much better now. I will say that you have to use the 3DMigoto mod (VR users should use this anyway) to turn the prop off or you will get the artifacts in the gunsight.

[Alonzo]

Be aware that the 3DMigoto mod costs both CPU and GPU time. If you're diving into 45 FPS a lot and want to give up on 90, for sure enable the mod. But if you're seeking 90 fps (or just generally high FPS or even using auto-reprojection or something) then be careful with the mod. I'm really undecided as to whether to keep it or not -- the zoom is amazing and the clouds fix necessary, but the performance impact puts me into 45 ASW more often than if I don't have it enabled.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

14 hours ago, Lobstrosity said:

You can turn off the prop with the 3DMigoto mod.

 

"Propeller can be disabled to avoid ASW problems"
Toggled off/on by "Lshift+k" key"

 

Thanks, I am aware of this,  but I saw artifacts in the enemy planes and my canopy frame as well so I didn't bother trying.

 

Regardless until the graphics freeze bug is fixed, I won't be using it online as I can usually not even manage a 45minute sortie before the graphics crashes on drivers later than 391.35

[Lobstrosity]

10 hours ago, Alonzo_ said:

Be aware that the 3DMigoto mod costs both CPU and GPU time. If you're diving into 45 FPS a lot and want to give up on 90, for sure enable the mod. But if you're seeking 90 fps (or just generally high FPS or even using auto-reprojection or something) then be careful with the mod. I'm really undecided as to whether to keep it or not -- the zoom is amazing and the clouds fix necessary, but the performance impact puts me into 45 ASW more often than if I don't have it enabled.

Yes the mod does use resources but ASW and motion smoothing will make that resource drop less noticeable. Remember their job is to make low frame rates feel like 90 FPS. So if you are watching your FPS counter you will see a dip but the perceived FPS will still be 90. Do you notice a big difference, besides the FPS counter, between 45 ASW and 90 FPS?  The smoothing has made it almost imperceptible to me unless I have the prop on.

[Guest deleted@134347]

36 minutes ago, Lobstrosity said:

Yes the mod does use resources but ASW and motion smoothing will make that resource drop less noticeable. Remember their job is to make low frame rates feel like 90 FPS. So if you are watching your FPS counter you will see a dip but the perceived FPS will still be 90. Do you notice a big difference, besides the FPS counter, between 45 ASW and 90 FPS?  The smoothing has made it almost imperceptible to me unless I have the prop on.

 

when I was using oculus with aws the propeller artifacts didn't really bother me that much, however 'ghosting' effect during the highly loaded scenarios was a lot more off putting. It all becomes one smooth muddy mess..

[Lobstrosity]

On 10/19/2018 at 10:09 AM, moosya said:

 

when I was using oculus with aws the propeller artifacts didn't really bother me that much, however 'ghosting' effect during the highly loaded scenarios was a lot more off putting. It all becomes one smooth muddy mess..

 

The ghosting you see is the activation and deactivation of the motion smoothing/ATW. If you crank up your SS or otherwise make sure the motion smoothing is always on then the ghosting will go away. Lots of VR sim racers use this trick. I haven't tried it in IL2 but it might be worth a try.

[Wolf8312]

I only get some slight artifacts in IL-2, but from what I can see its still a little glitchy and the normal ASW with no artifacts is very smooth.

 

On 10/19/2018 at 6:14 PM, =EXPEND=Tripwire said:

 

Thanks, I am aware of this,  but I saw artifacts in the enemy planes and my canopy frame as well so I didn't bother trying.

 

Regardless until the graphics freeze bug is fixed, I won't be using it online as I can usually not even manage a 45minute sortie before the graphics crashes on drivers later than 391.35

 

Yeah I refuse to fly a WW2 plane without a propeller anyhow !

Edited October 27, 2018 by Wolf8312

[Wolf8312]

Anyone tried the MS since the update? Still a bit wonky in DCS (but vastly improved and usable now) but in Il-2 from what I can see it seems pretty much flawless. No artifacts and fluid gameplay. Very happy because its about time us Vive users got something back from Valve!

[Wolf8312]

Edit- well it wasnt good in campaign mission but flawless in scripted campaigns. To be honest though the main campaign seems erratic performance wise,  lots of steam VR basestation flashes that had been fixed in a prior update seem to be back with avengence  now. Well anyway MS works great on scripted campaign missions.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Sorry, haven't retried it and probably won't until a fix is in place for the graphics driver crash. Not a whole lot of fun flying for 30+ minutes only to have all of your progress wiped out as your plane plummets helplessly into the ground and kills your pilot.

[SCG_motoadve]

On 10/27/2018 at 11:53 AM, Wolf8312 said:

I only get some slight artifacts in IL-2, but from what I can see its still a little glitchy and the normal ASW with no artifacts is very smooth.

 

 

Yeah I refuse to fly a WW2 plane without a propeller anyhow !

Turn the prop off, in real life you dont see the propeller.

 

I am a fanatic about immersion and I turn it off (Also fly piston single engines for real).

[Wolf8312]

On 11/3/2018 at 10:11 PM, II./JG77_motoadve said:

Turn the prop off, in real life you dont see the propeller.

 

I am a fanatic about immersion and I turn it off (Also fly piston single engines for real).

 

Yeah might just do that then. No MOD to do that for DCS?

 

Anyway, motion smoothing gets my vote.

 

DCS cranked up to 2.0 steam VR PD. Jets helicopters are smooth as butter with no real artifacts I could see. Prop planes are afflicted with propeller artifacts but to be honest I was playing it last night, and I turned the gunsight off, but I think even with it on its still worth using motion smoothing just because its such a smoother experience.