Is this game going to include also British and American planes?

[STINKMONKEY]

Will thier be other countries planes in this game or is it only russian and german.. like other conflicts of ww2

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Short answer: If BoS is commercially successful, then most probably yes at some point in future.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

AS has been stated, at this point mprhead is correct.  I am also hearing that the next installment of IL2 will remain on the Eastern Front as there is much more of a story to tell as it were.  I still hope that 1CGS decides to make a trek into the Pacific Featureing the US Navy and the Imperial Navy of Japan. 

 

  But until then there is much Eastern Dogfighting to be had!

[Finkeren]

Can we please stop this nonsense? We are still in an alpha state of a sim focusing on the battle of Stalingrad, and every single week there is a thread where people ask "when are we gonna get British/American planes?"

 

Short answer: Lend/lease American and posibly British planes will likely come in an early expansion of BoS. As for other theatres of war, it's so far out into the future, that it's not even worth discussing.

[CCG_Pips]

Can we please stop this nonsense? We are still in an alpha state of a sim focusing on the battle of Stalingrad, and every single week there is a thread where people ask "when are we gonna get British/American planes?"

 

Short answer: Lend/lease American and posibly British planes will likely come in an early expansion of BoS. As for other theatres of war, it's so far out into the future, that it's not even worth discussing.

+1

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Can we please stop this nonsense? We are still in an alpha state of a sim focusing on the battle of Stalingrad, and every single week there is a thread where people ask "when are we gonna get British/American planes?"

 

Short answer: Lend/lease American and posibly British planes will likely come in an early expansion of BoS. As for other theatres of war, it's so far out into the future, that it's not even worth discussing.

 

Good answer to someone who has joined the forums in less than 12 hours ago... If you haven't notised before, there have been, is, and will be people who join, start wondering about something and post question right away, instead of searching forums for answers  Whether or not you or I like the question, there isn't nothing much that can be done about it

[Finkeren]

I just think it's rather disrespectful to the developers. They chose to take IL-2 back to its roots, covering a piece of WW2 that was only ever covered by that one sim (where as the British/American side has been in every single WW2 sim ever made) and immediately people start asking for the same old thing instead of appreciating and discussing the things that the devs are actually trying to create.

 

BTW: No offense meant to the OP. Welcome to the forum, I sincerely hope you won't take my words to heart. Enjoy BoS as a truly unique experience.

Edited February 6, 2014 by Finkeren

[Rama]

Will thier be other countries planes in this game or is it only russian and german.. like other conflicts of ww2

 

Very good chances.

There is even a poll launched by Zak to ask about the player's preferences between P40 and Hurricane.

If the game is successfull, You'll probably see lots of other WWII theaters/planes.

[J4SCrisZeri]

Maybe we just need a renewed FAQ thread here, sticky so newcomers can start from there.

[Steambat]

Well I'm from the UK and as much as I love the aircraft of the US/UK I'm more than happy with what the developers are doing. I got into the IL2 series when it first came out all those years ago and for me this is taking me back to that happy place! Everything so far has been a joy with this sim so lets wait and see what other surprises they unfold on us. In the mean time the Eastern front is the place to be!!

[bivalov]

Will thier be other countries planes in this game or is it only russian and german.. like other conflicts of ww2

in addition to hurri or p-40, IAR or macci for correct plane set for BOS, or just some other possible planes, like a-20 etc... and just besides possible add-ons like Kuban, with many L-L planes... i think, here have interesting idea with plane set from baltic-north areas, but without very complex map of leningrad...

 

i'm about finnish ZOO, mainly... at least it's - finnish-american brewster... french-finnish-russian ms.406... french-finnish-american-worldwide hawk-75... hurri mark I, g.50, gladiator, blenheim etc including captured planes...

 

i think, some planes, like first 4 planes could be very good addition by many reasons, including it's ersatz-leningrad, it's reverence to finns/americans/french = money, and to russians of course...

 

although, it's looks a few strained, like and d.520, which was used by many sides during 40-45, if i'm not mistaken...

 

most likely, in addition to east front scenarios like summer-autumn'42, battles in 43 like Kuban/Kursk etc, will be only needful US/UK planes and it's not so little... it's almost all typical planes without late uebers like spit-14, main navy planes, main heavy bombers (although, ussr had several b-24s) etc...

 

and i think, if someone want "western front with p-51, formations of 17s etc", be better if he try to play in DCS, well, or wait some long time... no other ways, in fact, we really have now only early alpha of BOS...

[Georgio]

In the grand scheme of things even though most Europeans think of the airwar in WW2 being BoB and possibly the allies bombing the crap out of the Germans from the West, in reality that part was an apetiser for the real war which was in the East of which Stalingrad was the the turning point.

So it's only right that the events of Stalingrad upto the fall of Berlin be highlighted for it's importance.

Most German airmen/soldiers only ever came up against Russians.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

In the grand scheme of things even though most British think of the airwar in WW2 being BoB and possibly the allies bombing the crap out of the Germans from the West, in reality that part was an apetiser for the real war which was in the East of which Stalingrad was the the turning point.

So it's only right that the events of Stalingrad upto the fall of Berlin be highlighted for it's importance.

Most German airmen/soldiers only ever came up against Russians.

 

You made a small mistake, corrected it for you  Also, while you a right about most German soldiers being on the Eastern Front fighting against Soviets, the story in the air is not quite like that. Luftwaffe was defeated in the battle over Central Europe during the USAAF bomber campaign, where it suffered heviest casualties.

[Emgy]

In the grand scheme of things even though most West & many Central Europeans incl. Poles think of the airwar in WW2 being BoB and possibly the allies bombing the crap out of the Germans from the West,.

 

I allow myself to make a correction to the correction

Edited February 6, 2014 by Calvamos

[TheBlackPenguin]

My shot in the dark guess would be a Lend-Lease pack, perhaps containing the P-40, P-39 and Hurricane. Maybe it'll be a pairing (P-40, P-39 in one pack, Hurricane and Spitfire in another), or maybe they will be exclusively sold with a map pack, one thing for sure we're not going to see individual plane sales like we have seen in ROF,

[IIN8II]

Will there be a MiG 15?

[Venturi]

The planeset for IL-2 BOS is circa 1942, which is also appropriate (from the German side, as well as for lend-lease aircraft) for the North Africa-Mediterranean theater.

[Rjel]

Not much harm in asking the question. Certainly not an disrespectful to the developers. There are a few others here who are allowed to ask the most inane questions. Repeatedly.

[Allons]

Errm, could a mod pls fix the thread title? It hurts to have to read it over &over..

[skline00]

Will thier be other countries planes in this game or is it only russian and german.. like other conflicts of ww2

From my knowledge of this Battle of Stalingrad, there were only Russian and German planes.

 

From my avatar, as a US citizen, I would enjoy having a P51 Mustang but that's not accurate.  I am thrilled that the developers are being "true to their roots".

 

When this project is finished and successful, there will be plenty of time for new modules with new battles.

 

BTW, OP welcome to the forum.

[dburne]

  I still hope that 1CGS decides to make a trek into the Pacific Featureing the US Navy and the Imperial Navy of Japan. 

 

 

 

That is my hope as well, that would be so awesome.

[migmadmarine]

I would love Korea myself. 

[Volkoff]

AS has been stated, at this point mprhead is correct.  I am also hearing that the next installment of IL2 will remain on the Eastern Front as there is much more of a story to tell as it were.  I still hope that 1CGS decides to make a trek into the Pacific Featureing the US Navy and the Imperial Navy of Japan. 

 

  But until then there is much Eastern Dogfighting to be had!

 

I would definitely like to see an eventual PTO add-on or add-ons. The Wildcat, Hellcat, and Corsair would be a lot of fun, especially the Wildcat vs the Zero would be challenging, fun, and, let's face it, given the Zero's roll rate, involve a wonderfully inordinate amount of highly exciting flat scissor fighting and Thach Weaving.    Still, there are many Russian planes I would like to play with first, including the Mig-3. I doubt that we will see a Mig-3 in BOS, but it would be great fun to stalk high flying recons and bombers over Moscow, using the highly photogenic Mig-3. Given what the Mig-3 test pilot said about the Mig-3 in the IL2 BOS documentary, it might even be a highly effective plane at low to medium altitudes, at least after three hundred hours of practice and getting shot down twenty thousand times in BOM multiplayer. 

 

  MJ 

Edited February 8, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

Errm, could a mod pls fix the thread title? It hurts to have to read it over &over..

+1 it hurts!

 

[dburne]

I would love Korea myself. 

 

I have a suspicion we will see Korea done first in DCS...

[IIN8II]

I would definitely like to see an eventual PTO add-on or add-ons. The Wildcat, Hellcat, and Corsair would be a lot of fun, especially the Wildcat vs the Zero would be challenging, fun, and, let's face it, given the Zero's roll rate, involve a wonderfully inordinate amount of highly exciting flat scissor fighting and Thach Weaving.    Still, there are many Russian planes I would like to play with first, including the Mig-3. I doubt that we will see a Mig-3 in BOS, but it would be great fun to stalk high flying recons and bombers over Moscow, using the highly photogenic Mig-3. Given what the Mig-3 test pilot said about the Mig-3 in the IL2 BOS documentary, it might even be a highly effective plane at low to medium altitudes, at least after three hundred hours of practice and getting shot down twenty thousand times in BOM multiplayer. 

 

  MJ 

Im with you MIKHA, I would love to see the MiG 3 in the game. Hopefully it will make it in, it would be a lot of fun to swoop down from 10km behind unsuspecting enemy formations. I remember reading about pilots who would use this tactic because of the MiG's relatively poor performance at low altitudes. (With the new spotting improvements this would perhaps be a valid tactic in the sim)

[Volkoff]

Im with you MIKHA, I would love to see the MiG 3 in the game. Hopefully it will make it in, it would be a lot of fun to swoop down from 10km behind unsuspecting enemy formations. I remember reading about pilots who would use this tactic because of the MiG's relatively poor performance at low altitudes. (With the new spotting improvements this would perhaps be a valid tactic in the sim)

 

 

Oh yes, I loved the way you put it! You described my multiplayer dream, IIN8II. One day we will get to take a super sleek and beautiful Mig-3 up. We will get to pick off all of those low flying recons at 8 km alt!   We will have the heavens to ourselves. It will be sublime.    

 

MJ

Edited February 8, 2014 by =69.GIAP=MIKHA

[AnaRasanen]

For me the core of IL-2 Sturmovik series is about covering theaters of war and planes that haven't been covered before in other flight sims. Therefore I hope the possible ad-ons will continue that line introducing new and possibly smaller theaters of war to sim gaming audience. I don't think we need another Battle of Britain or Pacific theatre sim for another 20 years...

[79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer]

For me the core of IL-2 Sturmovik series is about covering theaters of war and planes that haven't been covered before in other flight sims. Therefore I hope the possible ad-ons will continue that line introducing new and possibly smaller theaters of war to sim gaming audience. I don't think we need another Battle of Britain or Pacific theatre sim for another 20 years...

 

We could use an Africa/Med sim though.

[AnaRasanen]

We could use an Africa/Med sim though.

 

True. Or perhaps something with the Flying Tigers.

[Capt_Hook]

For me the core of IL-2 Sturmovik series is about covering theaters of war and planes that haven't been covered before in other flight sims. Therefore I hope the possible ad-ons will continue that line introducing new and possibly smaller theaters of war to sim gaming audience. I don't think we need another Battle of Britain or Pacific theatre sim for another 20 years...

While I appreciate and will fly BoS till my equipment falls apart and my eyes go dim, I simply don't understand this position AT ALL.  It totally ignores the state of the art in code and hardware.  Yes, the P-51 was covered very, very well in Chuck Yeager's Air Combat.  So... did that experience satisfy you for 20 YEARS???  I hope that statement was being facetious. 

 

There is no comparison at all with the experience of simulated flight over 8 years ago with Pacific Fighters and what would be achievable today with the BoS engine.  Your statement above would only make sense if there were other flight sims available today that offered state of the art combat in the Pacific, or over France covering D-Day, or any other 'popular' theater. 

 

We need to face facts... the sim genre is as niche as it gets today.  IL2 is NOT some niche player offering an experience the other 'Big' sims aren't offering... there ARE NO OTHER SIMS.  And yes, even though I still have the 5 1/4 inch floppies for CYAC (I keep a lot of old kit in a display case... my original Sinclair ZX-81 I got as a child still draws comments), it's a lot less silly to compare to it the original IL2 engine, reaching it's nadir in the HSFX mod for 1946.  Play BoS for a few hours, then switch over to 1946.  You're not even in the same ballpark.  You simply can't compare the experiences.

 

The op's question is not a bad one at all.  We need to appreciate (and financially support!!) what the Devs are doing right now with BoS, but wondering out loud if we'll get to dive down on an 8th AF bomber stream in an A9 over Germany while covering P-51s try and stop us is hardly out of line.  It's akin to mocking folks who's favorite ride is a Spit, or Pony or Dora, while telling them they've never even heard of your favorite.  Pure elitism, and it'll kill us in the end.  Starving artists can write great poetry only because pen and paper are cheap.  Flight sim development most certainly is not. 

[AnaRasanen]

We need to face facts... the sim genre is as niche as it gets today.  IL2 is NOT some niche player offering an experience the other 'Big' sims aren't offering... there ARE NO OTHER SIMS.  And yes, even though I still have the 5 1/4 inch floppies for CYAC (I keep a lot of old kit in a display case... my original Sinclair ZX-81 I got as a child still draws comments), it's a lot less silly to compare to it the original IL2 engine, reaching it's nadir in the HSFX mod for 1946.  Play BoS for a few hours, then switch over to 1946.  You're not even in the same ballpark.  You simply can't compare the experiences.

 

There's this DCS series with their upcoming sim DCS WWII: Europe 1944.

[Razorback]

Short answer: If BoS is commercially successful, then most probably yes at some point in future.

Lol "IF". If they continue on this path, IL2 BoS will be legendary! In ref. To original post, It's a fair question to ask albeit premature. Loads of other things to have before lend lease A/C. Personally I look forward to this often overlooked theater. This SIM will be a huge hit IMHO. I flew all day yesterday, and cannot wait for multiplayer testing begins.

<S> Razor

[6./ZG26_Emil]

While I appreciate and will fly BoS till my equipment falls apart and my eyes go dim, I simply don't understand this position AT ALL.  It totally ignores the state of the art in code and hardware.  Yes, the P-51 was covered very, very well in Chuck Yeager's Air Combat.  So... did that experience satisfy you for 20 YEARS???  I hope that statement was being facetious. 

 

There is no comparison at all with the experience of simulated flight over 8 years ago with Pacific Fighters and what would be achievable today with the BoS engine.  Your statement above would only make sense if there were other flight sims available today that offered state of the art combat in the Pacific, or over France covering D-Day, or any other 'popular' theater. 

 

We need to face facts... the sim genre is as niche as it gets today.  IL2 is NOT some niche player offering an experience the other 'Big' sims aren't offering... there ARE NO OTHER SIMS.  And yes, even though I still have the 5 1/4 inch floppies for CYAC (I keep a lot of old kit in a display case... my original Sinclair ZX-81 I got as a child still draws comments), it's a lot less silly to compare to it the original IL2 engine, reaching it's nadir in the HSFX mod for 1946.  Play BoS for a few hours, then switch over to 1946.  You're not even in the same ballpark.  You simply can't compare the experiences.

 

The op's question is not a bad one at all.  We need to appreciate (and financially support!!) what the Devs are doing right now with BoS, but wondering out loud if we'll get to dive down on an 8th AF bomber stream in an A9 over Germany while covering P-51s try and stop us is hardly out of line.  It's akin to mocking folks who's favorite ride is a Spit, or Pony or Dora, while telling them they've never even heard of your favorite.  Pure elitism, and it'll kill us in the end.  Starving artists can write great poetry only because pen and paper are cheap.  Flight sim development most certainly is not. 

 

All that stuff was covered in the previous incarnation of IL2 didn't you play it?

[Venturi]

I think you meant zenith

[Rjel]

All that stuff was covered in the previous incarnation of IL2 didn't you play it?

As was what we are playing with in BoS.

[VeryOldMan]

I just think it's rather disrespectful to the developers. They chose to take IL-2 back to its roots, covering a piece of WW2 that was only ever covered by that one sim (where as the British/American side has been in every single WW2 sim ever made) and immediately people start asking for the same old thing instead of appreciating and discussing the things that the devs are actually trying to create.

 

BTW: No offense meant to the OP. Welcome to the forum, I sincerely hope you won't take my words to heart. Enjoy BoS as a truly unique experience.

 

 

Yet by  receiving like that you  increase the chance he says "#!@#! this game"  and  the developers loose a potential costumer, therefore theone being disrespectful to the developers  would be someone else...

[hiro]

I think if someone is scared away by a non official response, the err is on them, because eventually the awesomeness of the game will bring them back. 

 

WW 2 simming isn't very niche as it was a 2 years ago, now we've got two major players and a bunch of "arcade specialists", possibly a 3rd major player in the wings . . .

 

 

If you look at the original IL-2, this game is close to it. It's eastern front, and a bonus with the the devs are communicating, and able to fly via early access.

 

Look at the nearest direct competition they are going the western front, late war with all the favorite planes. But they only have a mustang in play at the moment. They have taken a big bite . . . and everyone that touched CLOD knows what happens if a big bite is taken and one ain't got a dislocating jaw like a big bad constrictor (or good planning). 

 

they've got Korea, all the late war-ness, with heavy bombers, me 262's.  And I'm sure they can pull it off. They got money and triple / double , heck even quad community (jet jockeys, helo guys, MW2 / BF 3 people that got interested in flight simming aspect of BF series and want to take up a level AND ww2 people). But they only have a mustang and nothing else. Shoot half the forum over there is asking about 'where's my kickstarter prize update.' and nothing from the devs. 

 

 

BOS has a map, it has period based targets, it has planes, it has a working game with a few planes and more on the way. ANd we get an update more often. 

 

Not to say one or the other, as I'll probably check out the other big side as well. But the feeling here is the devs here care about it, and taking the time to make this game with the feeling vs 'oh mustang, ohh 262, Korea, B-17, SQUIRREL!' . . . 

 

Don't fret too much about the past, because its prologue, and don't wish and put too much hope in a future that still has yet to unfold, but live in the present, because the experience is right here, right now. 

 

Enjoy this stage, because once the game is out, those that didn't have the experience, or did have it but worried too much about the future let it pass. 

[=LD=4brkfast]

The history of this theater suggests the lend-lease program was expressly required. When the vvs realizes all of their new fighters were being out-performed or out classed by the Luftwaffe opponents, aircraft like the p40, p39, hurricane and some early versions of the spitfire were needed.

 

There have already been polls about this subject, I wouldn't worry about it

 

These guys seem to know what they are doing. And the improvements, even without a functioning trim tab to the fm's are really impressive. I enjoy flying the lagg.

[Talisman]

I believe that Stalingrad is generally considered to be the greatest battle of WW2 by historians, so I am very happy to be given the chance to fly the latest combat flight sim in this theatre of operations )  

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman