delta64 Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 hey guys, so how historical/appropriate is it to have our bf109 g6 to be used in bodenplatte? i have been researching it and it seems they were used until the end of the war (this one, A/S version, captured in May 1945 https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=112432 ) , but i cant seem to figure out if they were used with the units whom participated during operation bodenplatte. since we are on the subject are there any other earlier version of the 109 that were in use until the wars end?
LeLv76_Erkki Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 G-6 was still the most common 109 when most of the Allied planes in Bodenplatte(Spitfire IXe, P-47 D 28., P-51 D, P-38J) arrived to frontline units. Bf 109 G-14's serial production began approximately the same time with P-47 D-28 in IIRC mid-June-ish 1944. This means that with the map and planes we will have we can build (pseudo)historical scenarios with most of the common planes from both sides all the way back to spring of 1944. We will only lack 190 A-6(A-5 is good enough to me though) and of course earlier P-51s and P-47s.
delta64 Posted October 7, 2018 Author Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, LeLv76_Erkki said: G-6 was still the most common 109 when most of the Allied planes in Bodenplatte(Spitfire IXe, P-47 D 28., P-51 D, P-38J) arrived to frontline units. Bf 109 G-14's serial production began approximately the same time with P-47 D-28 in IIRC mid-June-ish 1944. This means that with the map and planes we will have we can build (pseudo)historical scenarios with most of the common planes from both sides all the way back to spring of 1944. We will only lack 190 A-6(A-5 is good enough to me though) and of course earlier P-51s and P-47s. cool, thanks!!!! yeah A-5 good enough too i think ? Edited October 7, 2018 by IMMORTAN_AL
Yogiflight Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 But the G6 aircrafts, that were in use at that time were no early G6 versions like we have in game. They might have been nearer to the G14 than to our G6. 1
sevenless Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, IMMORTAN_AL said: hey guys, so how historical/appropriate is it to have our bf109 g6 to be used in bodenplatte? i have been researching it and it seems they were used until the end of the war (this one, A/S version, captured in May 1945 https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=112432 ) , but i cant seem to figure out if they were used with the units whom participated during operation bodenplatte. since we are on the subject are there any other earlier version of the 109 that were in use until the wars end? There were a lot of 109s produced until the end of the war without a MW50 tank (due to shortages). Since the difference between G14 and G6 basically is the availability of the MW50 boost system, this explains the very presence of brand new G6 until end of war. Edited October 7, 2018 by sevenless
sevenless Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 26 minutes ago, 6./ZG26_Asgar said: the G-14 is a bit more than just the MW-50 Hey cool, then you might be able to clear things up for us? What else would be the difference between a Jan 45 produced G6 and a Jan 45 produced G14 ?
MiloMorai Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 If the G-6 was so common, then why was there only 2 participating in Bodenplatte? 22 minutes ago, sevenless said: What else would be the difference between a Jan 45 produced G6 and a Jan 45 produced G14 ? Production numbers, G-6 > 67, G-14 > 90, G-14/AS > 211
sevenless Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, MiloMorai said: If the G-6 was so common, then why was there only 2 participating in Bodenplatte? Production numbers, G-6 > 67, G-14 > 90, G-14/AS > 211 Only 2 G6??? Where do you get this number from ? As for the 14/AS that´s an entirely other beast, other hull, other engine etc. Edited October 7, 2018 by sevenless
MiloMorai Posted October 7, 2018 Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, sevenless said: Only 2 G6??? Where do you get this number from ? As for the 14/AS that´s an entirely other beast, other hull, other engine etc. From Appendix 2 of the Bodenplatte book. (has been posted in some threads if you don't have the book) 1 G-6 with III./JG1 1 G-6/U2 with II./JG11 In Jan '45 some 504 G-10s and 338 K-4s were produced. And if you want 109 production from Jan '44 to war end see post #28 of http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?t=2462&page=3&highlight=neubau+109s Edited October 7, 2018 by MiloMorai
sevenless Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 7 hours ago, MiloMorai said: From Appendix 2 of the Bodenplatte book. (has been posted in some threads if you don't have the book) 1 G-6 with III./JG1 1 G-6/U2 with II./JG11 Hey thanks! Yes, odd although G6 were in continous production until Jan 45 (64 pieces) only 2 were apparently used on Bodenplatte. Maybe they were sent to the East or Italy? Anyways, coming back to the G6 (late) vs G14 differences. What else besides MW50 boost tank differentiated both in January 45?
1CGS LukeFF Posted October 8, 2018 1CGS Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, sevenless said: Hey thanks! Yes, odd although G6 were in continous production until Jan 45 (64 pieces) only 2 were apparently used on Bodenplatte. Maybe they were sent to the East or Italy? Most likely, they went north to the JG 5 units in Norway.
EAF19_Marsh Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Quote Hey thanks! Yes, odd although G6 were in continous production until Jan 45 (64 pieces) only 2 were apparently used on Bodenplatte. Maybe they were sent to the East or Italy? The EF units always seemed to get older a/c, but do not underestimate wastage, attrition and 'lost in the post'. There is generally a huge gap between 'Produced', 'delivered' and 'used' so by 1/1/45 I am not surprised that only a few G-6s are left in operational use in the west
MiloMorai Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 sevenless, you can check with http://www.ww2.dk/ tho it only goes to end Dec 1944 but will show a trend.
EAF19_Marsh Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Just to troll, there are 2 G6s on operations in Europe on 1/1/45 but no Spitfire Vs. OMG!
sevenless Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, MiloMorai said: sevenless, you can check with http://www.ww2.dk/ tho it only goes to end Dec 1944 but will show a trend. Thanks! I have done that already, but as you mentioned it ends 12/44, so nothing about 1/45-3/45. It (ww2.dk) however corroborates the Munrho data for III./JG1 and II./JG 11. 2 hours ago, LukeFF said: Most likely, they went north to the JG 5 units in Norway. Indeed might be possible. ww2.dk mentions III./JG5 with 26 G6 at end of 12/44.
Bremspropeller Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 Out of curiosity: How long did it (on average) take for a german fighter-airfrme from acceptance to reach the fontline?
sevenless Posted October 8, 2018 Posted October 8, 2018 (edited) G6 and G14 in real life: Edited October 8, 2018 by sevenless
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