Hardware upgrade question.

[GOA_ViperARG]

Hi lads, I want to upgrade my GPU and I don't want to spend more than 300 USD.

 

My system:

> 700W Coolermaster PSU

> Asus Z97A MOBO

> Core i7 4790K 4.4Ghz

> Zotac GTX 750 ti 2GB

> 3x 4GB 1333mhz DDR3 Hyperfury

> Zalmann tower cooler

 

I want to run IL2 BoX at ultra 4x AA at 1080p, I'm really outdated with hardware stuff so I need a PC guru to help me.
  I was thinking on buying the Asus ROG STRIX RX 580 8GB OC. Will this GPU allow me to play as I want or any other GPU could do better?

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Yes, an RX 580 will perform well at 1080p with a goal of 60 fps. It's roughly the same performance class as the GTX 1060, so you should compare the prices. 

 

The tier above the RX 580 is the GTX 1070 or Vega 56. Both those cards are huge steps up in both price and performance. However, they are largely unnecessary for 1080p.

 

Going lower, there is the slightly inferior RX 570 followed by the substantially inferior GTX 1050 Ti. While both these cards provide respectable performance at 1080p, they might disappoint if you expect to use very high settings. 

[chiliwili69]

On 10/2/2018 at 5:30 AM, GOA_ViperARG said:

3x 4GB 1333mhz DDR3 Hyperfury

 

Before upgrade your GPU, you could also put a faster memory in your rig. Going to 2x4Gb at 2400Mhz or 2600MHz will improve significantly your fps.

 

Also, why do you have 3x4Gb?  Normally memory modules are sold in couples (2x4Gb, 2x8Gb, etc) or 4 modules (4x2Gb, 4x4Gb, etc) to benefit from Dual Channel.

So your 3rd module is not in dual channel I believe.

 

Before you upgrade your GPU be sure that it is fully loaded (at 100%) during your playgame. You can verify that with the free tool "MSI Afterburner". It is used for overcloking GPUs but you can also use it just for monitoring many variables at the same time (like GPU load). The bottom picture of this post is done with MSI Afterburner:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/40047-fps-impact-of-grass-quality-and-shadows/

 

[Seb71]

I don't think replacing the RAM with a faster one makes sense on a Haswell/Haswell Refresh platform. For sure not at current DDR3 prices and with a total upgrade budget of $300.

 

The graphics card is the obvious component to upgrade first for games. That GTX 750 Ti for sure leaves room for improvement. Pairing a cheap GTX 750 Ti with an expensive 4790k (and that higher priced MB) was a bad idea, if the system was build (years ago) for gaming. Unfortunately, graphics card prices are also still higher than they should be, but they have come back down a little in the last months.

[SCG_ErwinP]

On 10/2/2018 at 1:44 AM, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

Yes, an RX 580 will perform well at 1080p with a goal of 60 fps. It's roughly the same performance class as the GTX 1060, so you should compare the prices. 

 

The tier above the RX 580 is the GTX 1070 or Vega 56. Both those cards are huge steps up in both price and performance. However, they are largely unnecessary for 1080p.

 

Going lower, there is the slightly inferior RX 570 followed by the substantially inferior GTX 1050 Ti. While both these cards provide respectable performance at 1080p, they might disappoint if you expect to use very high settings. 

I have RX 580 4GB and in my case with my LG 29" monitor 75Hz 2560x1080p this graphic card wasn't a good choice.

After a few months a bought a Rx Vega 64 and finally a get some good results.

 

RX 580 may be used strictly for 1920x1080P 60Hz monitor.

 

Again in my case, my processor isn't so good for BoX because it "need" high speed clock CPU and added as Intel has larger Instruction per cycle (IPC) it's ahead from AMD CPUs.

 

Its important to mention that RX 580 is better than GTX 750TI and certly you will gain a lot of gaming performance.

 

If power consumption is important to you, go with GTX 1060 or GTX 1070, if not RX 580 could be a good choice too.

 

 

5 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

Before upgrade your GPU, you could also put a faster memory in your rig. Going to 2x4Gb at 2400Mhz or 2600MHz will improve significantly your fps.

 

Significantly?? i don't think so. A little bit I believe.

Is much more important chance your GPU at moment, the results will be so much satisfactory than RAM speed.

[SCG_ErwinP]

6 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

Also, why do you have 3x4Gb?  Normally memory modules are sold in couples (2x4Gb, 2x8Gb, etc) or 4 modules (4x2Gb, 4x4Gb, etc) to benefit from Dual Channel.

So your 3rd module is not in dual channel I believe.

There isn't problem to have 3 RAM modules, a pair of it will work in dual channel and 8GB is enough for BoX.
Running BoX, the MSI Afterburner measure ~5000MB of RAM memory.

[chiliwili69]

5 hours ago, 3./JG15_HansPhilipp said:

Significantly?? i don't think so. A little bit I believe.

 

Just facts:

In VR going from 2133MHz to 3000MHz you gain 10 fps:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29322-measuring-rig-performance-common-baseline-for-il-2-v3005/?do=findComment&comment=485321

 

Going from 1866 to 2933MHz I gained 5fps in Monitor and 8 fps in VR:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29322-measuring-rig-performance-common-baseline-for-il-2-v3005/?do=findComment&comment=495403

 

going from 1600 to 2400MHz the gain is 11 fps in monitor:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29322-measuring-rig-performance-common-baseline-for-il-2-v3005/?do=findComment&comment=500731

 

more here:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29322-measuring-rig-performance-common-baseline-for-il-2-v3005/?do=findComment&comment=500270

 

 

So yes, it is significant.

Obviously if the GPU is the bottleneck the impact of replacing the GPU will first priority.

[SCG_ErwinP]

11 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

Before upgrade your GPU, you could also put a faster memory in your rig. Going to 2x4Gb at 2400Mhz or 2600MHz will improve significantly your fps.

 

1 minute ago, chiliwili69 said:

Obviously if the GPU is the bottleneck the impact of replacing the GPU will first priority.

"Before upgrade your GPU......will improve significantly your fps.

Obviously if the GPU is first priority."

 

 

 

 

I believe that changing GPU will improve much more gaming performance than RAM speed.

 

Font: http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-750-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-580/2187vs3923

[dburne]

22 minutes ago, 3./JG15_HansPhilipp said:

 

"Before upgrade your GPU......will improve significantly your fps.

Obviously if the GPU is first priority."

 

 

 

 

I believe that changing GPU will improve much more gaming performance than RAM speed.

 

 

 

 

 

[Seb71]

21 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

Just facts:

In VR going from 2133MHz to 3000MHz you gain 10 fps:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29322-measuring-rig-performance-common-baseline-for-il-2-v3005/?do=findComment&comment=485321

 

Going from 1866 to 2933MHz I gained 5fps in Monitor and 8 fps in VR:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29322-measuring-rig-performance-common-baseline-for-il-2-v3005/?do=findComment&comment=495403

 

going from 1600 to 2400MHz the gain is 11 fps in monitor:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29322-measuring-rig-performance-common-baseline-for-il-2-v3005/?do=findComment&comment=500731

 

more here:

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/29322-measuring-rig-performance-common-baseline-for-il-2-v3005/?do=findComment&comment=500270

 

 

So yes, it is significant.

Obviously if the GPU is the bottleneck the impact of replacing the GPU will first priority.

First example is with a 7700k, GTX 1070 and DDR4 (so completely different platform and much better graphics card). The average fps increases from 144 to 153. That's 6%. The minimum fps (more important) only from 114 to 118. That's 3%. You do not notice such changes in usage (playing).

Second example is more relevant for OP's situation (sam CPU, but overclocked higher). Increases are 3% for average fps and 2.7% for minimum fps (monitor). Clearly you can't notice such increases. And this is also with a GTX 1070, it seems.

 

Third example is with a comparable CPU ( 3770k), but with a 1080Ti  (well out of $300 budget). Average fps increase is 6.9%. Minimum fps increase is 10.8%. Same. Only noticeable in benchmarks. And a very powerful and expensive graphics card.

 

Last example - he says the difference is 8-10%. Not sure what system.

 

 

The graphics card upgrade on his system, from a GTX 750 Ti to a card of RX 580 level should bring at least a doubling of framerate. So a 200% increase. If not even closer to 300%. Now, that's a noticeable increase.

[chiliwili69]

50 minutes ago, 3./JG15_HansPhilipp said:

Obviously if the GPU is first priority.

You skip the key item "if the GPU is the bottleneck". When you quote someone sentence you can not cut and paste at your convenience.  ?

 

So, first thing to do here is to determine how bottlenecked is the system by the GPU. Just trending GPU load with MSI afterburner during a mission he will see how much time the GPU is in the 95-100% band.

18 minutes ago, Seb71 said:

The graphics card upgrade on his system, from a GTX 750 Ti to a card of RX 580 level should bring at least a doubling of framerate. So a 200% increase. If not even closer to 300%. Now, that's a noticeable increase

 

Hey guys, you are mostly right here, in the OP that guy should change his GPU since it is the most likely the guilty guy. I only wanted to bring to the table that RAM speed also play a role (in VR +8fps is great increase, don´t measure in %).

 

I only wanted to state that first thing people look is always GPU upgrade, but they should check first if the GPU is clearly the bottleneck. Only that.

 

 

[Seb71]

With a GTX 750 Ti there is no "if". It is a major bottleneck for that system.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

GTX 1060 will just barely hold 60fps online on ultra preset - offline sure it will pull 75-100fps without Vsync. 

But online 1080P - Ultra Preset - No Ingame Anti A 45-60fps on ultra. (been running that for 2 years now)

[SCG_ErwinP]

14 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

You skip the key item "if the GPU is the bottleneck". When you quote someone sentence you can not cut and paste at your convenience.  ?

C'mon, i quote your entire text.
Unnecessary this comment. 

14 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

I only wanted to state that first thing people look is always GPU upgrade, but they should check first if the GPU is clearly the bottleneck. Only that.

"People look is always GPU upgrade" because it do the hard job aside CPU.

You can say that the power supply is so important as, its a generic speak. All PC components is important.