Update questions

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I am curious about that recent update. What is that black smoke coming out of engine? It's really small, kind of like from cars is it just realistic effect of fuel in engine or something wrong doing with plane?

These SD70 bombs, what are these? I dropped one on these big russian cargo ship in stalingrad and it sinked kind of suprised, it's just 70kg and big cargo ship went down. (Fw190A8)

 

Fw190A8, this remove guns upgrade, it says if you combine it with F8/G8 or something like this, you can get 1000kg bomb etc. Or you can remove guns and use that sturm thing together. But you can't, it seems to work only when you add that 500 bomb rack. So you must combine remove guns with bomb rack and sturm/F8 thing. (I don't remember these names now)

So discription is kind of wrong. It's a bit complicated, would not it be better to add new version of fw190 with sturm thing and no guns instead of combination of modifications?

 

 

Is that new thing? Never seen it before, maybe bug and they clonned? feels like it was some troop transport train aand they started running away, good thing, hope it's not bug and real thing.

Edited September 28, 2018 by InProgress

[-SF-Disarray]

The dark smoke coming from your engine, assuming it isn't the oily dark black 'oh no I think I broke something' kind of smoke, is a product of your engine running rich - the fuel air mix is off. If you lean out your fuel mixture, put less fuel into the cylinders, this dark smoke will mostly disappear, there is still some visibly noticeable exhaust but you have to be real close and look out for it to see it I've found. The water radiators will boil over too, causing a very brilliant trail of water vapor to follow your plane. This all was, in fact, added in the latest update along with other visual things.

 

A 70 kg bomb killing a large cargo ship is a bit interesting though not outside the realm of possibility. A lot of ships at this time still operated off of steam boilers, which are under the best of circumstances giant bombs nestled into the ship. In the very early days of steam powered shipping they would blow up semi-regularly causing all kinds of mayhem. If the bomb could wiggle it's way down to the boiler before detonating, difficult but not impossible on an unarmored shipping vessel, a 70 Kg charge would be more than enough to rupture the pressure vessel causing a spectacular ship destroying explosion. You could also get this done by slamming the bomb down the smoke stack, supposing it isn't grated and a civilian ship pressed into military service may not be. If it is an oil/gasoline/diesel fueled boiler igniting the fuel could cause similar destruction; maybe a coal fired boiler but I don't know how readily coal would ignite from a bomb blast. Additionally if the bomb causes flooding the cool river or sea water coming into contact with the boiler could cause it to crack and possibly explode, turning a minor leak into a major problem.

 

The people running away from things after getting shot at has been in for a while. I see it most with anti-aircraft guns though I have seen it on some tanks or APCs too. I see no reason why it shouldn't happen with trains.

Edited September 28, 2018 by Disarray

[ShamrockOneFive]

9 hours ago, InProgress said:

Fw190A8, this remove guns upgrade, it says if you combine it with F8/G8 or something like this, you can get 1000kg bomb etc. Or you can remove guns and use that sturm thing together. But you can't, it seems to work only when you add that 500 bomb rack. So you must combine remove guns with bomb rack and sturm/F8 thing. (I don't remember these names now)

So discription is kind of wrong. It's a bit complicated, would not it be better to add new version of fw190 with sturm thing and no guns instead of combination of modifications?

 

Ok I'm not sure if I quite make out what you mean but the description in-game is accurate.

 

To equip the SC1000 you need to pick the FW190F-8/G-8 modification, then the removal of MG131 (which makes it into a G-8) and make sure you have the ETC 501 selected and then you can pick the SC1000. It is a process but it is fairly straightforward.

 

 

 

If you're talking about the Sturmjager that is a different modification that adds armor plate around the pilot as well a thicker glass to aid in bomber attacks. That is an air-to-air configuration.

[InProgress]

10 hours ago, Disarray said:

The dark smoke coming from your engine, assuming it isn't the oily dark black 'oh no I think I broke something' kind of smoke, is a product of your engine running rich - the fuel air mix is off. If you lean out your fuel mixture, put less fuel into the cylinders, this dark smoke will mostly disappear, there is still some visibly noticeable exhaust but you have to be real close and look out for it to see it I've found. The water radiators will boil over too, causing a very brilliant trail of water vapor to follow your plane. This all was, in fact, added in the latest update along with other visual things.

Thanks, so if there are planes with auto mixture and you still get this smoke, you just have to live with it and it won't go away? It was very visible on ai p40, I though it broke its engine or something. On actual video I never seen them smoking like this.

 

Bomb had 10s delay and hit very close but in water on ship's end. It had hole in hull and sinked.

 

Yeah, I know about these one who run from cars etc. Just train was new thing when there was maybe 20 of them running, quite a nice view from up there.

 

3 hours ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

Ok I'm not sure if I quite make out what you mean but the description in-game is accurate.

I meant that it only says "only together with F8 and sturm" kind of never say about bomb rack. Also it says you will get 2x 250kg bomb or 1x 1000kg. You get 3x 250kg. 

[-SF-Disarray]

It may be that the bots haven't been programmed to manage fuel air mixture yet. I saw the same behavior in bot controlled A-20's when I was playing around checking out the new effects. In multiplayer I have noticed that planes with automated mixture controls will run a little too rich when the plane rapidly changes altitude. I don't know much more than the very basics of how these automated mixture regulators work so this may be accurate to how they work in real life as well, it would make sense that they might lag behind the optimum curve under rapidly changing conditions.

[peregrine7]

1 hour ago, Disarray said:

It may be that the bots haven't been programmed to manage fuel air mixture yet. I saw the same behavior in bot controlled A-20's when I was playing around checking out the new effects. In multiplayer I have noticed that planes with automated mixture controls will run a little too rich when the plane rapidly changes altitude. I don't know much more than the very basics of how these automated mixture regulators work so this may be accurate to how they work in real life as well, it would make sense that they might lag behind the optimum curve under rapidly changing conditions.

 
Most auto mix will go fuel rich on high throttle as this helps cool the engine. Better to be slightly too rich than slightly too lean as well!

(though in game you can run lean all day)

[InProgress]

3 hours ago, Disarray said:

It may be that the bots haven't been programmed to manage fuel air mixture yet. I saw the same behavior in bot controlled A-20's when I was playing around checking out the new effects. In multiplayer I have noticed that planes with automated mixture controls will run a little too rich when the plane rapidly changes altitude. I don't know much more than the very basics of how these automated mixture regulators work so this may be accurate to how they work in real life as well, it would make sense that they might lag behind the optimum curve under rapidly changing conditions.

 

 

 

This is how it looks like on 100% mixture. But yeah, it's gone when you lean it a bit. Planes with auto mixture get that smoke when in combat power (just a little smoke) and more dark when emergency power. Never knew it works like this So in real life, in combat power, during fights, they all had some black smoke behind them?

 

More mixture = more power, less mixture = less fuel wasted? Do i get it right?

 

 

Edited September 29, 2018 by InProgress

[ShamrockOneFive]

6 hours ago, InProgress said:

 

I meant that it only says "only together with F8 and sturm" kind of never say about bomb rack. Also it says you will get 2x 250kg bomb or 1x 1000kg. You get 3x 250kg. 

 

The bomb rack is extra. You don't *need* it for the G-8 modification so again its accurate to say that you can carry the two SC250s under-wing. Add the ETC501 and then you can carry another SC250.

 

It's accurate but I understand the confusion.

[-SF-Disarray]

8 hours ago, InProgress said:

More mixture = more power, less mixture = less fuel wasted? Do i get it right?

 

 

You sort of have that right, yes. A more rich mixture means there is more fuel pumped into the combustion chamber so there is the potential for greater power. But if there isn't enough oxygen in the air mixed in with that fuel an amount of fuel won't burn and this is what you are seeing coming out the back of the plane. This means at a given altitude (really a given air pressure) having a fuel air mixture above a certain ratio won't net any additional power; it will just spit out partially burnt or un-burnt fuel out. If you set the mixture too low, too lean, for your given altitude you will lose out on some power as there isn't enough oxygen to burn along with the fuel and this un-burnt oxygen will be spit out the back. A byproduct of this is that you will use less fuel. An engine running lean will also tend to burn hotter as the burn is more efficient. Over saturating the engine can cool it, the un-burnt fuel works as a heat sink absorbing the heat and carrying it out of the cylinder with the exhaust stroke. In so far as I'm aware this works with all forms of combustion engines though I don't know much about the more exotic kinds