How a single player enjoys multiplayer in BOX

[bush_wizard]

talk about missing the point.

 

what a cyclic discussion...

[OrLoK]

40 minutes ago, bush_wizard said:

talk about missing the point.

 

what a cyclic discussion...

to be fair you do state a lot of preconceived issues which don't in reality exist.

 

indeed, if those issues did exist, I too would not play online.

 

it *is* easier to play SP and you are free to do so.

 

as to assuming why you and others don't MP, I agree with you that's not fair either. We don't know your home situation or that of others.

 

I think the point we're trying to make is perhaps try it one day and see if it suits as the game doesn't play like other MP games.

 

some servers definitely don't suit me but one's like "Coconuts" are great for solo flying without having to encounter a player enemy for example.

 

now, obviously, the chances are you won't as it's no to your taste, but I think what rankles some is that you've already made your mind up on something you say (I think) you've not tried.

 

if you have, my apologies. but if you've had simply one or two terribad online experiences, please don't think it's the norm.

 

but, hey, if you don't want to it's cool.

 

we just don't want you to miss out on something that might grow on you.

 

no one is forcing you though. we're simply discussing how folk, like you and I who normally shun MP *can* have fun online, nomatter their tech/time/situation constraints.

 

L

Edited September 25, 2018 by OrLoK

[Cpt_Cool]

25 minutes ago, bush_wizard said:

talk about missing the point.

 

what a cyclic discussion...

 

***  Comes on a thread about SP people trying MP just to say. "No. Not interested. Don't convince me to try MP in a thread about SP people trying MP. You MP guys are so rude." 

[CIA_Yankee_]

I have to admit, few things beat the feeling of realism you get from flying a proper objective based server. Maybe most of that comes down to the AI not being able to replicate realistic behavior, which is unfortunate, but the fact of the matter is that it's online that you will be able to get that experience.

 

For example, the simple act of "bouncing" is very hard to do vs AI, as the AI will spot you regardless. Likewise, as a VVS pilot you never know the true strength of the LW fighters until you go in MP and meet pilots who understand fighting in the vertical and exploiting speed/climb/altitude advantages.

 

I enjoy the career system, to be honest, but MP is just more realistic right now.

[BroGrimm1tkcamp]

I would like to try MP. I think I would like to try on teamspeak or discourse but don't know how yet. My keyboard typing is not the best. I would be spelling a big word like "help" and get shot down typing:)  I don't know if there is a place to go to get tutored or not. A step by step guide would be nice. I also play in VR and see that could be a problem with spotting.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

1 hour ago, bush_wizard said:

i'm not interested in flying with people like you or others in this thread namely for the type of rude attitude youre displaying in this thread. i'm interested in sp and no amount of verbal jousting, semantics, abuse, bullying, condescension or anything else is going to change my preference in how I utilize the very little time I have for gaming.

 

 

I think most of the people in here are actually just trying to help you find a way to enjoy the game in a way that allows you to avoid the crappy AI.  I don’t care what you do.  But I am amused that the “rude attitude youre displaying on this thread” keeps you out of MP, but doesn’t keep you out of the forum.

[bush_wizard]

45 minutes ago, OrLoK said:

to be fair you do state a lot of preconceived issues which don't in reality exist.

 

indeed, if those issues did exist, I too would not play online.

 

it *is* easier to play SP and you are free to do so.

 

as to assuming why you and others don't MP, I agree with you that's not fair either. We don't know your home situation or that of others.

 

I think the point we're trying to make is perhaps try it one day and see if it suits as the game doesn't play like other MP games.

 

some servers definitely don't suit me but one's like "Coconuts" are great for solo flying without having to encounter a player enemy for example.

 

now, obviously, the chances are you won't as it's no to your taste, but I think what rankles some is that you've already made your mind up on something you say (I think) you've not tried.

 

if you have, my apologies. but if you've had simply one or two terribad online experiences, please don't think it's the norm.

 

but, hey, if you don't want to it's cool.

 

we just don't want you to miss out on something that might grow on you.

 

no one is forcing you though. we're simply discussing how folk, like you and I who normally shun MP *can* have fun online, nomatter their tech/time/situation constraints.

 

L

 

yeah, the "preconceived issues" do exist and that's precisely why I brought them up.

 

I have tried mp in most modern sim offerings and its not for me. its not for everybody. i genuinely can't fathom how difficult that is for people to understand. its a real head scratcher. 

 

ive had a dozen bad online experiences and frankly, it is the norm and that's why im sticking to my guns.

20 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

I think most of the people in here are actually just trying to help you find a way to enjoy the game in a way that allows you to avoid the crappy AI.  I don’t care what you do.  But I am amused that the “rude attitude youre displaying on this thread” keeps you out of MP, but doesn’t keep you out of the forum.

 

"no amount of verbal jousting, semantics, abuse, bullying, condescension or anything else is going to change my preference in how I utilize the very little time I have for gaming"

 

[StickMan]

If you really think everyone in MP is rude, condescending, or just plain a-holes it will make it even more satisfying when you shoot one down. Especially if it's a so called stat-whore. After you shoot him down you can just imagine him agonizing over his broken kill streak and laugh to yourself.

 

See. It's easy to use your imagination to find fun online like the OP suggests. Even for people that won't play MP because of "people" and stuff.

[BraveSirRobin]

5 minutes ago, bush_wizard said:

 

"no amount of verbal jousting, semantics, abuse, bullying, condescension or anything else is going to change my preference in how I utilize the very little time I have for gaming"

 

 

“I don’t care what you do.”

[Lusekofte]

38 minutes ago, tkcamp56tkcamp said:

would like to try MP

 

I do recommend you to do that, the only thing you need to do is take off in order to enjoy it. There is no skill level required and no one really take notice of inexperienced flying, Campers and vulchers yes , but a humble new pilot are always welcomed. 

Most people are helpful and will let you fly wing with them, take that offer, you will save yourself a lot of frustration. And even get some kills. No need to hesitate trying out MP

[Archie]

I think I'm going the other way. Having flown multiplyer almost exclusively for the last 17 years or so, I find I am enjoying just flying around in single player more these days.

[69TD_Hajo_Garlic]

17 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

or betwen objective and base that has 3 dots (means most playes take of from it)

What altitude do you like to patrol that area?  I'm sure its dependent on different factors but I've recently tried that tactic and I think per usual I'm too low

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, tkcamp56tkcamp said:

I would like to try MP. I think I would like to try on teamspeak or discourse but don't know how yet. My keyboard typing is not the best. I would be spelling a big word like "help" and get shot down typing:)  I don't know if there is a place to go to get tutored or not. A step by step guide would be nice. I also play in VR and see that could be a problem with spotting.

 

 

 

I just use team spek and its easy to use you download program and then just type adress and password (usealy servers dont have it) and your on it, and then just join channel that has people on it. Adresses for teamspek are posted on forums topics of each server in first post usealy, or in briefings when you join server. I just use ts3 of server i play on, when i started to play online in il-2 1946 i just joined ts3s of servers i played on and joined red or blue channal and just lisen to where are fights and so on, call few 6s and just try to be in areas where most guys played, didnt help mutch but you learn few things, and no one mided extra guy on ts3, some times i would just be good bait for guys :)

 

Discort i dont use so dont know how that woodoo thing works.

 

there is nothing like training group or tutor guy for online here ( i remenber there was some thing like that in il-2 1946 jfc school or something like that) its either joining random guys on ts3 or joining some squad, or pair up with someone on forum, and even then depends on people you meet and you will they spend time train you or not. Would be nice to have something like tutors but i dont think many onliners would spend their time to do so. 

 

 

 

 

Just now, Joeasyrida said:

What altitude do you like to patrol that area?  I'm sure its dependent on different factors but I've recently tried that tactic and I think per usual I'm too low

 

I fly red, and if i go there i am at 6-7km and attack guys who are high cover for low cover fighters, and then just drag them to my side if i miss and if they falow. Its better if its winter map, you can see their contrails low and usealy blue dont expect enemy at 7-8km and they think your blue if you come from enemy side.

Edited September 25, 2018 by 77.CountZero

[69TD_Hajo_Garlic]

15 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

 

 

I fly red, and if i go there i am at 6-7km and attack guys who are high cover for low cover fighters, and then just drag them to my side if i miss and if they falow. Its better if its winter map, you can see their contrails low and usealy blue dont expect enemy at 7-8km and they think your blue if you come from enemy side.

Man you take that lagg3 way up there?  I guess it's time to leave the comfort of the trees and dirt give it a try.  I should also hop on team speak now that it seems not to crash anymore with the new update.

[CountZero]

Just now, Joeasyrida said:

Man you take that lagg3 way up there?  I guess it's time to leave the comfort of the trees and dirt give it a try.  I should also hop on team speak now that it seems not to crash anymore with the new update.

 

Yes i just fly it like i would in 190, problem is only you cant run away always like you would in 190, so its good to be in pairs in slower airplane like lagg as if you miss guy he well get you, if you fly la5fn or yak1b you would be ok even alone. Its good to be where enemy dont expect you to be, online game is all about shooting guys who dont know you are about to shoot them. But you can also play low in lagg3 but it takes mutch more skill to stay alive and get kills that way.

[OrLoK]

3 hours ago, bush_wizard said:

 

yeah, the "preconceived issues" do exist and that's precisely why I brought them up.

 

I have tried mp in most modern sim offerings and its not for me. its not for everybody. i genuinely can't fathom how difficult that is for people to understand. its a real head scratcher. 

 

ive had a dozen bad online experiences and frankly, it is the norm and that's why im sticking to my guns.

 

"no amount of verbal jousting, semantics, abuse, bullying, condescension or anything else is going to change my preference in how I utilize the very little time I have for gaming"

 

 

That's fine, but I don't think anyone is abusing, condescending  or bullying you.

 

I simply haven't encountered the issues you have  online in this game *and* i'm generally not an MP fan due to other folk.

 

If you've tried it and didn't like it, groovy.

 

For me, and some others the "head scratcher" for us is those "preconceived issues" which we dont experience. 

 

Anyhow best of luck. MP and this thread just insnt for you and that's ok.

[RedKestrel]

3 minutes ago, tkcamp56tkcamp said:

I would like to try MP. I think I would like to try on teamspeak or discourse but don't know how yet. My keyboard typing is not the best. I would be spelling a big word like "help" and get shot down typing:)  I don't know if there is a place to go to get tutored or not. A step by step guide would be nice. I also play in VR and see that could be a problem with spotting.

 

VR adds a layer of difficulty online for sure, though there are a number of people who play in VR and consider it worth it for the immersion.

Voice chat is good, provided you can get on a channel that other people on your side are on. A lot of squadrons accept new members and will help train you up a bit. Some are formal, others casual. If you post on this forum or on the Multiplayer Servers forum looking for people willing to fly with you in your time zone, you will probably get some offers.

Even minimal use of the chat function is very effective. before takeoff, either state which objectives you want to go to, or ask where people need attackers to go, or ask if people need escort or cover. You can relay target information to your team. Etc. Just remember to use CTRL-Enter so you only speak to your own team members!
 When I venture online (rarely, I'll admit) I send only a few messages but this has helped me be much more useful to my team than if I didn't communicate.

[bush_wizard]

10 minutes ago, OrLoK said:

 

That's fine, but I don't think anyone is abusing, condescending  or bullying you.

 

I simply haven't encountered the issues you have  online in this game *and* i'm generally not an MP fan due to other folk.

 

If you've tried it and didn't like it, groovy.

 

For me, and some others the "head scratcher" for us is those "preconceived issues" which we dont experience. 

 

Anyhow best of luck. MP and this thread just insnt for you and that's ok.

 

thank you for at least taking the time to read and acknowledge what i said. o7

[Legioneod]

3 hours ago, tkcamp56tkcamp said:

I would like to try MP. I think I would like to try on teamspeak or discourse but don't know how yet. My keyboard typing is not the best. I would be spelling a big word like "help" and get shot down typing:)  I don't know if there is a place to go to get tutored or not. A step by step guide would be nice. I also play in VR and see that could be a problem with spotting.

 

You can fly with my buddy and I, we are always looking for new people to fly with since it's mostly just the two of us. We use TS and Discord and can help you get started in multiplayer if you'd like.

Just PM me if you are interested.

[Guest deleted@83466]

I think bush_wizard should try multiplayer.

[JonRedcorn]

9 hours ago, bush_wizard said:

 

actually, it is. having a preference, or a lack thereof, is entirely a reason. i'm not interested in comms, i'm not interested in not having the option to accelerate time, i'm not interested in signing up for or understanding the rules and regulations of somebody's online campaign system, i'm not interested in flying with people like you or others in this thread namely for the type of rude attitude youre displaying in this thread. i'm interested in sp and no amount of verbal jousting, semantics, abuse, bullying, condescension or anything else is going to change my preference in how I utilize the very little time I have for gaming.

 

if you don't understand simple preference, no long winded explanation is going to help you with that. that's on you brother

Man you sure are a grumpy fella, you and unreasonable should start a grumpy old man club. You guys can send each other written letters over the post office while playing career mode on CRT screens. (he hates VR with a passion/new tech)

 

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[OrLoK]

4 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

I think bush_wizard should try multiplayer.

*hides*

[rolikiraly]

For me the biggest drawback of multi (other than some rather annoying technical problems) is just how hard it is, at least for a noob like me. Yes, it's absolutely more exciting and can be more rewarding than SP for sure. But, for someone who can't easily "lose", it can be very frustrating when you are mostly surrounded by pilots who seemingly get like 100% more out of their planes, even if you are really focused and try your best. 

 

I don't agree that the pilot behaviour in MP is more realistic than SP. Of course it's more "human" but people are obviously less focused on their own safe return than they would be in RL, and the average "skills" are way too high. I would guess that a typical wartime pilot just couldn't get enough practice/experience before his first sortie to be anywhere near good, by MP standards (yes it's apples and oranges but still..).

 

Also, community can be toxic (not saying more than other games). And it's not some "rude" words but more like the general attitude that can be unpleasant.

 

That said i still largely agree with OP and others. It's just more exciting and if i ever get back to some serious flying in this game it will probably have something to do with MP.

[CountZero]

It was not easy transition for anyone, all thouse guys you see shoot you had same way you have when they started in MP for few weeks or months, no one was instantly good in MP, getting shoot at many times at start is normal, they just stick with it and with time get better, and its not easy on ego when you are getting many kills in SP and all is about you in SP, and your hero of every mission there, but then you come in MP where everyone looks like they are just playing some differant game and like they are cheating.
 

What i see mostly is MP is compared to quick minedles df and just action, action action. Its like saying SP is only Quick Mission and nothing els.
In MP you have servers that are comparable to quick mission in SP (berloga WoL ...), servers like carier mode in SP (coconout, fins, taw...) and servers like scripted missions ( like ACG once a week missions, or friday night guys), usealy no mather how historicly correct mission is set up only on events you can have majority of players to behave like historicly ww2 missions would be flown, on rest competitive natuire of players usealy go for most effective way of play to win mission or campaign and thats then not how airplanes were flown in ww2. So if person like to play it in historical way and avvoid MP for that, i would recomend to try events and avoid 24/7 servers and use them only for practice.

 

In MP on any server you can play it to stay alive in 1h+ sorties and not even get a killl or see enemys you wont to attack, or just go for getting in action as fast as posible and trying to get as many kills before you run out of amo and just bail or crash in 15min sorties. There is no wrong way (as long you dont brake server rules).
Or in bomber to hit targets with bombers as fast as posible and then just crash after it and dont bather to go back, or to spend time taxiing and climbing and bombing from alt and dont care if you hit or miss but glad you bring bomber home and flew it in formation with tm8s.
 

 

 

Edited September 26, 2018 by 77.CountZero

[unreasonable]

15 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

Voice chat is good, provided you can get on a channel that other people on your side are on.
 

 

While being on a channel with people on your own side is good,  even though I have no microphone, the most fun I ever had in MP was being on a channel with people on the other side.   

[buck1ea]

My biggest problem with MP is my wife. I need to press escape and pause the game at random so I can give out a quick, "Yes dear" or "I don't know where your phone is honey" or a quick respite from the action while I take out the trash. 

 

There is no way I have the opportunity to truly concentrate on a MP match. 

[Herne]

2 minutes ago, buck1ea said:

My biggest problem with MP is my wife. I need to press escape and pause the game at random so I can give out a quick, "Yes dear" or "I don't know where your phone is honey" or a quick respite from the action while I take out the trash. 

 

There is no way I have the opportunity to truly concentrate on a MP match. 

 

Years ago I used to play Aces High, kind of an air combat subscription MMO. Anyway, I took a b17 from a rear airfield which took an age to climb to altitude, longer still to take an indirect route to my target, I'm on my bomb run, head in the bombsight, Enemy AC are firing, I'm about to press the the bomb release when I get connection lost message.  turns out my wife was trying to trouble shoot a problem with the phone and had pulled my internet cable . . . .  Lets just say that in the moment that I was not as gracious toward her as I might have been lol.

[ST_ami7b5]

Some wives are OP ?

[Tag777]

Well, I was at first very hesitant to go into MP but hey, now I can't barely play other way. For me is the closest thing to real life air combat (obviously, considering the fact that we virtual pilots do not have the fear to death of real life pilots and that makes a big difference, but anyway). I still am in the learning phase and have been months (many) since I began in MP but slowly I am getting better (still killed more times than I shoot down the enemies but at last not so many as when I started ?).

My suggestion to those people that never went into MP is to give it a try. If after that, you feels that it does not suites your taste its ok, but at least you will had a glimpse of how the MP part of the game is.

 

Regards,

[DD_Arthur]

1 hour ago, buck1ea said:

My biggest problem with MP is my wife. I need to press escape and pause the game at random so I can give out a quick, "Yes dear" or "I don't know where your phone is honey" or a quick respite from the action while I take out the trash.  

 

Yep, + 10000000000, etc, etc.

[bush_wizard]

2 hours ago, buck1ea said:

My biggest problem with MP is my wife. I need to press escape and pause the game at random so I can give out a quick, "Yes dear" or "I don't know where your phone is honey" or a quick respite from the action while I take out the trash. 

 

There is no way I have the opportunity to truly concentrate on a MP match. 

 

seems that this is far too difficult a concept for people to understand: obligations, lack of time

 

I've got kids, a wife, obligations to fulfil. time acceleration and the ability to pause to meet my obligations aren't something I can get in mp

[Herne]

If you need a quick AFK here and there "shift A" for auto level works in MP btw. Won't do you much good if you happen to be in combat, but can be useful if you need to step away.

[LeLv76_Erkki]

When flying level bombers its possible to take short breaks to do something else. Sorties themselves might be long but unlike when flying fighters, they dont need player's full attention at all times. And mission planning is half the job.

[CountZero]

theres planty guys playing online with wifes and kids ( sme you can hear on ts3 in background a lot ? ) and they still can do few sorties online, but like some say if its not for you its not for you, glad you posted your reasons why you dont play MP and am sure a few more guys avoid it for same reason.