How is the Bf109 supposed to function without guns?

[JG300_Egon]

2 hours ago, F/JG300_Egon said:

The only catastrophe I see is the number of people online.

 

 

2 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

 

And they aren't playing online, or playing German, because they are too lazy to check their ammo counters to see if their weapons are charged?  I don't believe it, but if so,  then everyone is probably better off.   If something so trivial is such a deal-breaker, then go play Angry Birds or something.  There's no place for cry-babies in online air combat anyway, so if people want to be like that, they can take their ball and go home.  It's absurd.

 

You think I made this statement for this only little problem ? Come on LOL

 

As you can see, I support the game since the very beginning and I continue, but I would prefer the Devs to focus on ALL bugs and problems we encounter , even if BOBP is delayed by 3 or 6 months.

 

But then I guess, all the cry-babies you're talking about, will suddenly appear and whine...

[BraveSirRobin]

16 minutes ago, F/JG300_Egon said:

 

As you can see, I support the game since the very beginning and I continue, but I would prefer the Devs to focus on ALL bugs and problems we encounter , even if BOBP is delayed by 3 or 6 months.

 

Delaying a game/release until ALL bugs and problems are fixed is a great way for a software company to go out of business.  Every software release in the history of mankind has gone out the door with known bugs.  

[69TD_Hajo_Garlic]

I dont get it in the 109 ever but if I'm close to a target, ground or air, say 1km, my first 37mm trigger pulls do nothing in the p39.  I can fire mg's but not the 37 until I let loose with the mg's for a little bit or I manuever and line up again it seems, I never see anyone else mention this but I think it's in the same vain as the 109 bug.  I had to reinstall the game recently and it still persists and it happens 9/10 times if not always.  

4 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

 

And like Hans Blitz says above:  You know about the issue.  It hasn't been fixed yet.  You know how to detect it, and what to do about it.  So if you line up on a target, squeeze the trigger, and nothing happens, IT IS YOUR FAULT.

 

I'd ask how do I detect the delay in the 1st p39 37mm but its whenever I'm close to a target.  I'm not afraid to take the blame but I don't know what I can do about it.

Edited September 26, 2018 by Joeasyrida

[Guest deleted@83466]

4 hours ago, Joeasyrida said:

I dont get it in the 109 ever but if I'm close to a target, ground or air, say 1km, my first 37mm trigger pulls do nothing in the p39.  I can fire mg's but not the 37 until I let loose with the mg's for a little bit or I manuever and line up again it seems, I never see anyone else mention this but I think it's in the same vain as the 109 bug.  I had to reinstall the game recently and it still persists and it happens 9/10 times if not always.  

I'd ask how do I detect the delay in the 1st p39 37mm but its whenever I'm close to a target.  I'm not afraid to take the blame but I don't know what I can do about it.

 

This might be a completely different and unrelated bug, but who knows.  Or maybe it isn't a bug, but it's something wonky in your hardware.  It's actually the first time I've heard about it.  I think you answered your own question though:  Fire a burst with the .50s first.  If I were you, I would make sure it isn't a joystick problem first, and if you can rule that out, then go down to the Bug reporting section of this forum and make a bug report about it.

Edited September 26, 2018 by SeaSerpent

[69TD_Hajo_Garlic]

29 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

 

This might be a completely different and unrelated bug, but who knows.  Or maybe it isn't a bug, but it's something wonky in your hardware.  It's actually the first time I've heard about it.  I think you answered your own question though:  Fire a burst with the .50s first.  If I were you, I would make sure it isn't a joystick problem first, and if you can rule that out, then go down to the Bug reporting section of this forum and make a bug report about it.

That's what I'm doing.  I want to test the p39 more 1st.

[Ehret]

5 hours ago, Joeasyrida said:

I dont get it in the 109 ever but if I'm close to a target, ground or air, say 1km, my first 37mm trigger pulls do nothing in the p39.  I can fire mg's but not the 37 until I let loose with the mg's for a little bit or I manuever and line up again it seems, I never see anyone else mention this but I think it's in the same vain as the 109 bug.

 

I can relate... Sometimes, when I open fire using the 37mm only I hear it cycling but there aren't shells flying. Doing burst with all guns fixes it, thought.

[69TD_Hajo_Garlic]

16 hours ago, Ehret said:

 

I can relate... Sometimes, when I open fire using the 37mm only I hear it cycling but there aren't shells flying. Doing burst with all guns fixes it, thought.

I was a bit worried I was the only one

[JonRedcorn]

On 9/25/2018 at 6:27 PM, F/JG300_Egon said:

 

 

You think I made this statement for this only little problem ? Come on LOL

 

As you can see, I support the game since the very beginning and I continue, but I would prefer the Devs to focus on ALL bugs and problems we encounter , even if BOBP is delayed by 3 or 6 months.

 

But then I guess, all the cry-babies you're talking about, will suddenly appear and whine...

AHA, please let me know when any piece of software is released without ONE SINGLE BUG. Good luck with that wait bud. There will ALWAYS be bugs, ALWAYS. End of story. No single piece of code this complex has ever been bug free. That might be the most absurd request I've seen recently.

[JG300_Egon]

Of course there will always be bugs !

But what is not absurd is to hope that old bugs (since months or years) to be solved and that a new patch do not bring old bugs back to life while they have been solved previously.

 

But you can stay your bugs fan boy. With a mind like that, humanity would still be in prehistory.

[OrLoK]

57 minutes ago, F/JG300_Egon said:

Of course there will always be bugs !

But what is not absurd is to hope that old bugs (since months or years) to be solved and that a new patch do not bring old bugs back to life while they have been solved previously.

 

But you can stay your bugs fan boy. With a mind like that, humanity would still be in prehistory.

If there's a serious legacy bug, the the devs *know* about it.

If it hasn't been fixed then there will be a valid reason why, even if the devs don't publicly address it.

They don't ignore issues which annoy folk out of spite.

 

If its an uncommon bug, then post in the appropriate place and give details and ways to reproduce.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Three pages later and I'm wondering if anyone has actually made a bug report in the correct place.

[blitze]

No need for a bug report, just throw Sour Kraut at following VVS plane, easy kill.

[JonRedcorn]

5 hours ago, F/JG300_Egon said:

Of course there will always be bugs !

But what is not absurd is to hope that old bugs (since months or years) to be solved and that a new patch do not bring old bugs back to life while they have been solved previously.

 

But you can stay your bugs fan boy. With a mind like that, humanity would still be in prehistory.

?

 

Oh boy I do love a good insult. We are lucky to even have a group of devs so dedicated to bring us additional software like this 5 years after the products initial release. You seem to definitely know a thing or two about coding though, maybe apply for a job and tackle it yourself, or hey start your own dev company and produce your very own simulator! You can do it! I believe in you!

 

Even writing one simple line of code can break entire sections of the software, a simple fix for a simple bug may create multiple new bugs or make others worse. Writing code isn't simple and there's a reason people get paid quite a bit to do it. It's always classic when keyboard warriors with about as much software development experience as a tomato come in with silly posts like this, I see it far too often unfortunately. It's not about being a fanboy it's about having realistic and grounded expectations which seems to escape far too many people in gaming in general.

 

JUST FIX THE BUGS DEVS ITS SO EASY! WHY YOU KEEP BREAKING GAME CHEEKI BREEKI!

[THERION]

32 minutes ago, 15th_JonRedcorn said:

Even writing one simple line of code can break entire sections of the software, a simple fix for a simple bug may create multiple new bugs or make others worse. Writing code isn't simple and there's a reason people get paid quite a bit to do it. It's always classic when keyboard warriors with about as much software development experience as a tomato come in with silly posts like this, I see it far too often unfortunately. It's not about being a fanboy it's about having realistic and grounded expectations which seems to escape far too many people in gaming in general.

 

You're absolutely right and I understand what you mean - hence don't you think with this very same explanation you wrote, it would be very wise to correct those bugs in early

stage and not waiting an accumulation of more bugs which - as you again recognized correctly ? - could bring other bugs or worsen the whole situation for debugging?

 

My concerns have nothing to do with disrespect for the great work they do - I bought every single byte of them and still will in the future - but as one with some professional

programming experience (not game industry, but in the not forgiving bank business) I for sure did always debug the slightest problem when reported. I just couldn't wait and

I didn't have the luxury of a small team - no, I was f***ing alone! And yes, it was an important application, they even called it business critical - but thanks god I didn't know at

the time when I accepted the job. ?

 

So, again, I am a great fan of this series and I really appreciate their big effort and attention to details - to be honest I'm heavily addicted to this sim and fly every single day.

And last but not least, I also appreciate those fellows who enrich what we have with super skins and mods.... and not to forget all those guys like you who make their

contributions on this forum. Thank you all.

 

Cheers

 

[BraveSirRobin]

8 minutes ago, -IRRE-Therion said:

 

My concerns have nothing to do with disrespect for the great work they do - I bought every single byte of them and still will in the future - but as one with some professional

programming experience (not game industry, but in the not forgiving bank business) I for sure did always debug the slightest problem when reported. I just couldn't wait and

I didn't have the luxury of a small team - no, I was f***ing alone! And yes, it was an important application, they even called it business critical - but thanks god I didn't know at

the time when I accepted the job. ?

 

 

 

The banking business? Lol.

 

 I spent 28 years working on hospital software.  A critical bug meant that someone might die.   This is a game.  A minor bug with easy workarounds is not critical in any way.

[Gambit21]

Ooooh Therion, did you hear that?

His programming was more criticaler than yours.

He had lives in his hands...IN HIS HANDS!!! He was the king of the hospital...The KING!!!

[BraveSirRobin]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

blah...blah...blah...

 

WTF are you talking about?  There were probably a thousand programmers working for that company. 

 

He's acting like that ammo bug is life threatening.  It isn't.  There is a workaround.

[Cybermat47]

1 hour ago, BraveSirRobin said:

There were probably a thousand programmers working for that company. 

 

5 hours ago, -IRRE-Therion said:

I didn't have the luxury of a small team - no, I was f***ing alone!

 

[BraveSirRobin]

What's your point?

[BraveSirRobin]

BTW, the bug hasn't been fixed.  It happened to me tonight.  I tried to fix the problem by crying and whining about the devs, but nothing seemed to work.  It turns out that I probably should have checked the ammo counter.

[Aap]

I think that the mindset of "workaround = acceptable final solution of an identified problem" would be in a way funny, unless it came from someone that worked in healthcare or aviation safety or that sort of areas. It is understandable that there are always bugs and deviations in real life and some are more critical than others and some are harder to track down or fix than others. It is good to know a workaround to handle these bugs, but if it is presented like "it is good as it is, because there is a workaround" (that might not work and that most players might not know about) is just a poor approach. 

[THERION]

Gentlemen,

 

Did I miss something? It wasn't my intention to provoke [edited] nor to little somebody. That's really stupid.
I just thanked everybody who contribute to this forum - but not like this!

 

Cheers

On 9/28/2018 at 3:52 AM, BraveSirRobin said:

 

WTF are you talking about?  There were probably a thousand programmers working for that company. 

 

He's acting like that ammo bug is life threatening.  It isn't.  There is a workaround.

Read what I wrote, brave Sir! I don't care about this special issue - I just wanted to.... forget it!

Edited September 29, 2018 by SYN_Haashashin

[BraveSirRobin]

5 hours ago, II./JG77_Kemp said:

I think that the mindset of "workaround = acceptable final solution of an identified problem" ... blah...blah...blah...

 

Then it’s a good thing that absolutely no one has posted anything like that.  It’s a problem that should be fixed.  But it’s not serious enough to trigger the OP’s ranting.

[Jabo_68*]

This is most strange.  I think the ground crew need interrogating. Particularly the armourers.

[Bremspropeller]

You can alays ram the enemy.

That's the most useful thing you can do with a 109 anyway - trash it.

[JG300_Egon]

2 hours ago, Jabo_68* said:

This is most strange.  I think the ground crew need interrogating. Particularly the armourers.

 

When they will be sober...

[CountZero]

thanks to this bug i got to my base 2 time this last week  does 190 have this problem ? its realy strange bug also i dontnotice it happening when there is not many ppl on server

[Bilbo_Baggins]

11 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

thanks to this bug i got to my base 2 time this last week  does 190 have this problem ? its realy strange bug also i dontnotice it happening when there is not many ppl on server

Yes I have had it in the 190 but it's far more common for G2

[blitze]

On 10/2/2018 at 3:19 AM, F/JG300_Egon said:

 

When they will be sober...

Hey, Soviet coolant is very good drink. Da? ))

 

Oh right, wrong side, Schnapps - take em out back. The firing squad is waiting.

[wombatBritishBulldogs]

On 9/23/2018 at 8:34 PM, Windmills said:

Does it happen outside of WoL?

A-3 KOTA ! And while were all here Please be proud of your country and allow others to see where your from !

Edited October 2, 2018 by wombatBritishBulldogs

[LeLv76_Erkki]

Had this bug yesterday in a 109 F-4 on TAW server. So I too can confirm it most definitely isnt server specific

[Lusekofte]

 

How is the Bf109 supposed to function without guns?

 

I have to say it, it function the way I want it......

[Bilbo_Baggins]

3 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

 

How is the Bf109 supposed to function without guns?

 

I have to say it, it function the way I want it......

 

Thanks for that geriatric input. Always a pleasure. 

Edited October 3, 2018 by Bilbo_Baggins

[Lusekofte]

54 minutes ago, Bilbo_Baggins said:

Thanks for that geriatric input. Always a pleasure. 

 

Aww , do not mention it.

 

 

This topic was already derailed so I could not resist 

[JG300_Egon]

On 10/1/2018 at 4:21 PM, Jabo_68* said:

This is most strange.  I think the ground crew need interrogating. Particularly the armourers.

 

On 10/1/2018 at 7:19 PM, F/JG300_Egon said:

 

When they will be sober...

 

On 10/3/2018 at 12:11 AM, blitze said:

Hey, Soviet coolant is very good drink. Da? ))

 

Oh right, wrong side, Schnapps - take em out back. The firing squad is waiting.

 

I just know a lot of armourers IRL...?

Edited October 4, 2018 by F/JG300_Egon

[JLean]

Hi,

Just to report that I had ammo bug today at WoL twice in a row with Fw 190A-3. Ammo counter was full blue. 

Then restarted and it was ok.

JLean

[Mauf]

15 hours ago, JLean said:

Hi,

Just to report that I had ammo bug today at WoL twice in a row with Fw 190A-3. Ammo counter was full blue. 

Then restarted and it was ok.

JLean

 

Had the bug on the A3 as well. Switching to empty guns and back to ammo reliably kept it from reappearing. Just to make sure: Did you start the engine before checking the ammo counters (aka white or black chamber indicators)? Because they don't indicate anything until they have power.

[JG300_Egon]

Something new happens this evening in campaign inter-squad in Me109:

 

Start engine : No bug, rolling towards the runway.

I have to wait for the clearance for take off, I shut off the engine and then the message appears...

The propeller didn't stop that I restart the engine and I see that the bug appears :

 

-Ammo bug

+

-No gunsight (like turned off)

-No gear lights (no red or green )

Edited October 17, 2018 by F/JG300_Egon