Me 262 Questions

[klebor]

11 minutes ago, Duckman said:

As for your suggestion, I'd gladly look at a Me 262 manual but a) I don't have one and b) I don't read German. My impression is based on Il2 (that great fountain of piloting knowledge) as well as various books and websites. It may of course be wrong.

This engine fire of old Il-21946 was a nonsense easy to implement in the realities of the game engine. IRL you would just stall the compressor of the engine if you would increase RPM rapidly, but only in lower range of available RPMs, thus reducing its power, a dangerous thing during the takeoff.

 

English language summary and basics, short and interesting

 

Edited September 20, 2018 by sereme1

[Bremspropeller]

19 minutes ago, sereme1 said:

IRL you would just stall the compressor of the engine if you would increase RPM rapidly, but only in lower range of available RPMs, thus reducing its power, a dangerous thing during the takeoff.

 

You'd stall/ surge the compressor on any hamfisted throttle-movement in those pre-governed engines. Not only advancing, but also retarding the throttles. It takes a more sophisticated hydromechanical fuel-scheduler, bleed-valves and some VSVs to make your engine virtually foolproof. But that would only be achieved in the late 50s with the J79.

 

Prepare to die a lot the first couple of times you land the airplane.

No gun-the-throttles last-ditch go-arounds in early jets.

[MiloMorai]

41 minutes ago, Duckman said:

As for your suggestion, I'd gladly look at a Me 262 manual but a) I don't have one and b) I don't read German. My impression is based on Il2 (that great fountain of piloting knowledge) as well as various books and websites. It may of course be wrong.

 

This link was the 2cd on the listings from a Google search of 'Me262 pilot manuals' and in English,

http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/Me262/262PilotHandbook.pdf

[Lusekofte]

I hope they model the serviceability of the plane, just a very small number of produced aircraft did ever reach a operational unit

[szelljr]

...I  will fly to the space!!

[[CPT]Crunch]

I'm more curious how the vis will be out the sides, looks like huge blind spots to the sides and under.  If that's the case, hit from the sides and under.

[Zooropa_Fly]

Keep looking straight and you'll be just fine !

[LeLv76_Erkki]

23 minutes ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

I'm more curious how the vis will be out the sides, looks like huge blind spots to the sides and under.  If that's the case, hit from the sides and under.

 

Pilot sits fairly high over the not that big wing, visibility should be one of the best if not best of the Luftwaffe fighters. It was such in old il-2 too.

[303_Bies]

17 hours ago, VO101Kurfurst said:

Fun fact - one the 109 pilots I have read mentioned that they always knew if Mustangs were nearby. They made a BZZ BZZ BZZ -like interference in their on FuG 16 radio set. He thought it was caused by them firing their machine-guns, but it might be just the tail warning radar was effecting the German VHF set somehow. 

Kind of unintentonal RWR.

[Herne]

I was reading a 262 pilot handbook linked earlier in this thread. 

 

http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/Images/Me262/262PilotHandbook.pdf

 

 

I'd also read an account recently of a 262 pilot who gave a pretty convincing account of having gone supersonic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Guido_Mutke

 

Did this really happen ?

[ZachariasX]

33 minutes ago, =FEW=Herne said:

Did this really happen ?

Doubtful.

[CUJO_1970]

2 hours ago, =FEW=Herne said:

I'd also read an account recently of a 262 pilot who gave a pretty convincing account of having gone supersonic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Guido_Mutke

 

Did this really happen ?

 

Highly unlikely, probably too much drag and not enough thrust to break the sound barrier, even in a dive. What Mutke experienced was the unknown effects and barriers associated with being on the leading edge of high-speed flight.

 

The 262 was built for transonic speeds though - and will be able to maneuver and fly at velocities where many contemporary piston-engine aircraft are already entering comprehensibility and shedding parts. 

[EAF19_Marsh]

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The 262 was built for transonic speeds though

 

How so?

 

Idly reading and found this, by the way: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0198c.shtml

[Herne]

6 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

How so?

 

Idly reading and found this, by the way: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0198c.shtml

 

Good read, one of the things that mutke mentioned though from the wiki article was passing through the buffet, and normal flight characteristics resuming, before he throttled back and experienced the fierce turbulance again.
 

This reminds me of Yeager in the right stuff at the point he went supersonic. Is it possible those few seconds of normal flight could have occured at some point through the transonic stage without having broken the sound barrier ?

[SCG_ErwinP]

On 9/18/2018 at 5:26 PM, Pict said:

Sure it was effective as a heavy bomber interceptor, but we won't have the heavy bombers. It's likely to most potent in the ground attack role.

Could Arado be the best option here?

On 9/18/2018 at 7:52 PM, LukeFF said:

 

There are still going to be medium bombers, which it was used against. 

Medium bombers turns very fast, i think that will be a bit hard to kill.

Edited September 21, 2018 by 3./JG15_HansPhilipp

[sevenless]

3 minutes ago, 3./JG15_HansPhilipp said:

Could Arado be the best option here?

 

That would make for a very nice collectors plane. The Arado 234s of III/KG 76 carrying 1,000 kg  bombs flew against the Ludendorf bridge between 7th and 17th march 45. Max payload was 3x 500kg bombs or one 1000kg bomb.

[SCG_ErwinP]

I would love to fly Arado and it could be more appropriated then 262, i think.
I'm hyped with 262 cause it's a iconic warplane but...

Edited September 21, 2018 by 3./JG15_HansPhilipp

[ShamrockOneFive]

25 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

That would make for a very nice collectors plane. The Arado 234s of III/KG 76 carrying 1,000 kg  bombs flew against the Ludendorf bridge between 7th and 17th march 45. Max payload was 3x 500kg bombs or one 1000kg bomb.

 

I've been saying the same thing. The Ar234 and Spitfire XIV would make what is probably the best Collector Planes for post Bodenplatte development. The Arado ticks a number of boxes including the dedicated bomber one and the Spitfire XIV is insanely popular and would likely be a great Collector Plane seller.

[sevenless]

11 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

I've been saying the same thing. The Ar234 and Spitfire XIV would make what is probably the best Collector Planes for post Bodenplatte development. The Arado ticks a number of boxes including the dedicated bomber one and the Spitfire XIV is insanely popular and would likely be a great Collector Plane seller.

 

Fully agree. Could you use your good standing with the devs to ...erm...do some lobby work? They both would be insta buys for me, especially the Spit XIV with its nice griffon engine. 

[Legioneod]

16 minutes ago, [3./J88]PikAss said:

 

Why does someone want a Spitfire IXV? Are the 109s bullying you?

In my opinion they should make only the B17 as collector plane. Not a rarley used Arado234 or a Spitfire IXV for those that can't fly any good. The Plane Lineup of Bodenplatte is already fair and historical.

Because they are cool. If people actually want them because they think it will make them better pilots well they'll be in for a surprise.

B-17 wont happen anytime soon so no point in even mentioning it.

 

Also, the aircraft chosen for Bodenplatte aren't about being fair, it's about being historical and interesting.  They could just have easily chosen an XIV instead of an IX, balance or fairness isnt a deciding factor nor should it be.

 

The more aircraft we have in Bodenplatte the better, I'd love to see Typhoon, Razorback P-47, XIV, and an Arado for starters.

 

And if you want to talk about rarity look at the 262, barely any were in operation at any given time even though around 1400 were built.

[ShamrockOneFive]

27 minutes ago, [3./J88]PikAss said:

 

Why does someone want a Spitfire IXV? Are the 109s bullying you?

In my opinion they should make only the B17 as collector plane. Not a rarley used Arado234 or a Spitfire IXV for those that can't fly any good. The Plane Lineup of Bodenplatte is already fair and historical.

 

I don't really see the aircraft line-up through the lens of online dogfight competition.

[sevenless]

30 minutes ago, [3./J88]PikAss said:

 

Why does someone want a Spitfire IXV? Are the 109s bullying you?

In my opinion they should make only the B17 as collector plane. Not a rarley used Arado234 or a Spitfire IXV for those that can't fly any good. The Plane Lineup of Bodenplatte is already fair and historical.

 

If this would be a multiplayer only game I could understand your point, but it isn´t. A significant amount of customers don´t or only rarely play multiplayer but almost exclusively focus on SP and career play and with this regard variety and historical authenticity is what generates the most attraction for the game.

[AndyJWest]

Not seen this linked yet:

 

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, [3./J88]PikAss said:

Why does someone want a Spitfire XIV?

 

Umm...because it fought in the ETO? Same reason people want the Ar 234. 

[LizLemon]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[CountZero]

18 minutes ago, LizLemon said:

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

but dont you know that laws of physics works only when your in 190 cockpit, for other airplanes with ticked sloped glass like La5FN, P-40, Spitfires ... they don't exist and its normal that lower part of gunsight is opstructed, it will be interesting to found out how they will work in 262

[Bremspropeller]

The Arado would be a very cool collector's plane - I'd like to see it teamed up with another iconic bird, but not any kind of Spitfire.

A Typhoon, Mosquito or a flyable US medium bomber (A-26 or B-26) would be more awesome than just another DF-server clowncar.

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

98% of posters musing about pro and cons of online use for plane X and Y

 

Also 98% of posters - never seen online

[Talon_]

12 hours ago, [3./J88]PikAss said:

Not a rarley used Arado234 or a Spitfire IXV for those that can't fly any good.

 

Are you suggesting the Spitfire XIV was rare? There were more Spitfire XIVs than Tempests in the ETO.

[sevenless]

6 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

The Arado would be a very cool collector's plane - I'd like to see it teamed up with another iconic bird, but not any kind of Spitfire.

A Typhoon, Mosquito or a flyable US medium bomber (A-26 or B-26) would be more awesome than just another DF-server clowncar.

 

I personally don´t mind if we can get more than 2 collector planes for BoPl. And also for me Typhoon, Mosquito, A26, B26 and Mustang III which was used by 2 TAF would make excellent additions. For the german side I also would love to see Ju-88 S, 109 G-10, 109 G14/AS and the He111 H20. Let´s see what they possibly include.

[CountZero]

57 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

I personally don´t mind if we can get more than 2 collector planes for BoPl. And also for me Typhoon, Mosquito, A26, B26 and Mustang III which was used by 2 TAF would make excellent additions. For the german side I also would love to see Ju-88 S, 109 G-10, 109 G14/AS and the He111 H20. Let´s see what they possibly include.

 

and atleast 1 late vvs fighter, either Yak or La but atleast one so vvs have deasent late war fighter in game

[sevenless]

33 minutes ago, 77.CountZero said:

 

and atleast 1 late vvs fighter, either Yak or La but atleast one so vvs have deasent late war fighter in game

 

I´d like to see three. Yak 3, Yak 9 and La 7.

[CUJO_1970]

FW190A-9. Over 900 built, would require comparatively tiny amount of work to add, and it was actually used in Bodenplatte.

 

Actually, with the additional F and G series work that has been announced I'm surprised they don't go ahead and do an A9 as it would require only an engine adjustment and almost no 3D work from what we already have with A-8.

 

I would even pay full price for collector plane for it - it would be easy money from a greedy Focker like me.

 

 

[Legioneod]

1 hour ago, sevenless said:

I personally don´t mind if we can get more than 2 collector planes for BoPl. 

Agreed, especially if Bodenplatte is the only western front scenario we get, I think we'll need more than two collector aircraft to fill it out even more.

 

2 for Allied and 2 for Axis.

 

P-47D Razorback

Typhoon

Arado 

190A9 or G10

 

 

Edited September 22, 2018 by Legioneod

[=RvE=Windmills]

There is no way for BoBP to feel complete with just adding collector planes.

 

it would be like jumping away from the east after BoS and maybe adding P40/Mc202. Multiple expansions are somewhat important for making good diverse scenarios.

[Legioneod]

29 minutes ago, Windmills said:

There is no way for BoBP to feel complete with just adding collector planes.

 

it would be like jumping away from the east after BoS and maybe adding P40/Mc202. Multiple expansions are somewhat important for making good diverse scenarios.

Agreed but the likelihood of doing another western front expansion after Bodenplatte is slim imo, especially since many want to go to the Pacific or back east.

Personally I want at least one more expansion to fill out western europe.

 

Edited September 22, 2018 by Legioneod

[sevenless]

10 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

Agreed but the likelihood of doing another western front expansion after Bodenplatte is slim imo, especially since many want to go to the Pacific or back east.

Personally I want at least one more expansion to fill out western europe.

 

 

Yes. Normandy would be great. Starting 4/44 with the interdiction missions and ending 9/44 with Market Garden would be perfect.

[ShamrockOneFive]

10 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Yes. Normandy would be great. Starting 4/44 with the interdiction missions and ending 9/44 with Market Garden would be perfect.

 

I quite like this idea

[Legioneod]

27 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Yes. Normandy would be great. Starting 4/44 with the interdiction missions and ending 9/44 with Market Garden would be perfect.

Agreed, would be really interesting and would allow for more interesting aircraft types. Razorbacks, P-51 B/C, Typhoon, etc.

[Field-Ops]

They already made most of the German planes for early 44 so the axis planeset would possibly feel forced into exotic types not normally seen. For someone to buy that plane pack they would need to buy the Kuban pack and the 109G6 collector on top of it to get a full experience. If they want to do more Europe for the early 44 timeframe they would need to go Italy to get a fresh planeset. Its also not like your P47 and P51 razorbacks wont show up in Pacific scenarios so there is that option as well.